Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by The Junglechrist » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:52 am

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wich i dont know.
i guess you want to say, its not as clean as the rubi?
Hey there ! I would say the DUSG sine is less clean than the Rubicon but I never realy compared them tehnicaly. I'll do it when I have some time and report back.


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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Biom » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:39 am

Mabuse wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:34 pm
wich i dont know.
i guess you want to say, its not as clean as the rubi?
Have zero experience with both. I just logically assumed that the new DUSG might be using some of the NTO’s principles (sine shaper or such).
The NTO sine is perfectly shaped, but has a bit of harmonics. Not much. It is always usable in every patch, both as a vco and a modulator.

Your comparison sounds a bit random to me. Why would you need such sine on a USG?

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by The Junglechrist » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:39 am

Just did the test and the DUSG sine out is definitly less clean than the Rubicon (which is not super clean as well)
, it has a bit more harmonics and a more noticable "spike" in its shape.


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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Mabuse » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:23 pm

Biom wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:39 am
Mabuse wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:34 pm
wich i dont know.
i guess you want to say, its not as clean as the rubi?
Have zero experience with both. I just logically assumed that the new DUSG might be using some of the NTO’s principles (sine shaper or such).
The NTO sine is perfectly shaped, but has a bit of harmonics. Not much. It is always usable in every patch, both as a vco and a modulator.

Your comparison sounds a bit random to me. Why would you need such sine on a USG?
because of fm.
clean sines makes a difference when you want to use them as mod or carrier in fm patch. but of course it depends on the kind of fm sounds you want to achieve.

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Biom » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:46 am

So what are the fm sounds you want to achieve?
And what is it you don't particularly like in vco's with impure sines?

USG is very limited in audio rate anyway (no matter how clean the sine is). It's not your typical vco, like the one you are comparing it with. But the dedicated Serge NTO also has a bit imperfect sine, as mentioned earlier. Personally, I never encountered fm problems working with it. To me its fm response and depth are simply great, then again, it's a full-featured oscillator and not an audio-rate cycling slope.

Regarding the Rubicon, I guess, it was designed with thru-zero operation in mind, which, I guess, its major difference from Serge vco's.

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by johannes » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:30 pm

my experience with fm is that a clean sine as mod or carrrier results in a slightly different harmonic structure than using dirty sines.
from what i hear the sidebands sounds more distinct while a dirtier sine, triangle saw etc. fm will pretty fast introduce more noise
even with small modulation index.

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Mabuse » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:55 pm

well, i tend to start with clean sines and blend in some dirt at will e.g. dixie -> wave multiplier -> rubicon.
no perference so far. both - clean and unclean sines can be interesting and lead to diffent results.

since i have no clue what the mantra /dsug xl is capable in terms of fm i asked for a comparison 2 a vco that i already know. the idea is NOT to replicate the fm character of one vco (rubi) with a another one (nto, dusg)… but to get an idea of the latter one´s specific fm possibilties.

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Mabuse » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:54 pm

please correct if iam wrong:
mantra is capable of exp fm (1V/oct inputs @ dsug)
la bestia 2 can do lin fm as well (lin input @ nto)

anything else?
both can do am, i guess?

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Biom » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:57 am

Mabuse wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:55 pm
well, i tend to start with clean sines and blend in some dirt at will e.g. dixie -> wave multiplier -> rubicon.
no perference so far. both - clean and unclean sines can be interesting and lead to diffent results.
None of the 2 panels you observe are the best for such sophisticated fm applications.
The Bestia would be a lot closer, but you still miss some of the Dixie's features (which eurorack is so passionate about).

Your euro setup (and format) seems much more logical for what you do. What makes you unhappy? I'm aware of intellijel waves being very clean and stable.
There are lots of euro oscillators that could satisfy your purity standards, though, sometimes digital is the way to go, especially when it comes to phase mod or serious fm ala digital synths.

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Mabuse » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:52 pm

i have the serge vcm and i love the concept and the whole selfpatching that is possible… man, this thing sound so good.
it really shines along with my rather clean rubicon. so i was thinking about getting a serge panel like the mantra or a few serge eurorack modules to expand the sound pallete of my system.
the mantra offers different possibilities that so far didn´t really overlap with my small euro system and as it seems from junglechrists patching videos
it would also play nicely on its own.

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Biom » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:08 pm

VCM is fantastic, so is almost every Serge module, but if you want to unleash Serge potential, you'll need 3-4 panels, where Bestia (Animal) is the starter one. Mantra is great, but a bit limited just on its own (the way you see it).
Also, Bestia and Mantra duplicate each other a bit, so 4x4 seems like a more flexible option. Or a panel-4x4 mixture within XL boat.

Cross-patching it with euro doesn't make huge sense, imo.
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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Mabuse » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:21 pm

Biom wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:08 pm
Cross-patching it with euro doesn't make huge sense, imo.
why?
i thought that the eurorack serge modules and the 4u banana serge system have a matching volt range.
and there are cables to go directly from banana to euro… read about it on the patchpoint site.
so it should work just fine. no?

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Corrupt » Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:02 pm

Biom wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:08 pm
if you want to unleash its potential, you'll need 3-4 panels
I wouldn't agree with this, for any Serge module. Of course your options multiply the more you have, but it's a very worthwhile module even just on a La Bestia or other voice oriented panel alone.

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Biom » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:51 pm

Corrupt wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:02 pm
I wouldn't agree with this, for any Serge module. Of course your options multiply the more you have, but it's a very worthwhile module even just on a La Bestia or other voice oriented panel alone.
Edited, sorry!

I guess, we should get back to the Mantra discussion in this thread.

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by rec.Koner » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:42 am

Biom wrote:
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But the dedicated Serge NTO also has a bit imperfect sine, as mentioned earlier.
I heard once on this forum that serge freqshifter is cleanest sine vco ever (if i remember it right, or that was some other module instead? i just remember that it was NOT a dedicated vco nor something like dusg) :hmm:
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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Biom » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:25 am

Oscillating filter is able to satisfy every hardcore purist. I also recommend washing hands properly before patching and swiping dust from oscillators regularly.

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by The Junglechrist » Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:01 am

Hey there everyone !

New Patch From Scratch with the infamous Mantra online. Exploring the sound of the Amplitude Modulation of the main VCA on the XFader module.



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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by FatRocky » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:09 am

nice one!

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by The Junglechrist » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:21 pm

Short 808 / Mantra jam ! This thing is an Electro beast !



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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by The Junglechrist » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:39 am

Some Serge BEATS !!!!



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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by The Junglechrist » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:31 am

Hey there everyone ! Here is a new Patch From Scratch with the Mantra. In this one I use the VCFQ to process CV from the Sequencer / Programmer :



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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Jd1979 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:22 pm

The Junglechrist wrote:
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Hey there everyone ! I got one of those thing as my first 4U panel after a few years of eurorack expansion.

As there is no deicated thread on this panel I figured i'll create one. I'm wondering if there is any other users out there ? Any people curious about it feel free to fire up questions and i'll try to anwser.

We will make some videos about it with my youtube channel Wired Brain, I will post those here as well.

Anyway so far i'm totaly in love with it, the DUSG sound fantastic (maybe my favorite saw wave ever), I could ping that VCFQ for month and not be bored of the sound of it, it make crazy good acid sounds, the Sequencer is super fun to play with, hell of an instrument !
Fantastic sounds man!! What all equipment are you using for these tracks? Mainly your voice type equipment.

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by The Junglechrist » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:12 am

Jd1979 wrote:
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Fantastic sounds man!! What all equipment are you using for these tracks? Mainly your voice type equipment.
Hey there ! I'm not sure about what you want to know with this question sorry. Could you be a bit more specific ? I'll gladly answer ;)


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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by Jd1979 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:45 am

The Junglechrist wrote:
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Jd1979 wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:22 pm
Fantastic sounds man!! What all equipment are you using for these tracks? Mainly your voice type equipment.
Hey there ! I'm not sure about what you want to know with this question sorry. Could you be a bit more specific ? I'll gladly answer ;)
Sure, I’m curious about what synths you are using in this track? Also could you explain how you are getting all of the crazy rhythmic patterns? That may be a very difficult question.

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Re: Random*Source Serge Mantra panel

Post by The Junglechrist » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:34 am

Jd1979 wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:45 am
The Junglechrist wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:12 am
Jd1979 wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:22 pm
Fantastic sounds man!! What all equipment are you using for these tracks? Mainly your voice type equipment.
Hey there ! I'm not sure about what you want to know with this question sorry. Could you be a bit more specific ? I'll gladly answer ;)
Sure, I’m curious about what synths you are using in this track? Also could you explain how you are getting all of the crazy rhythmic patterns? That may be a very difficult question.
If you are talking about the tracks in my signature (below each of my posts), there's too many synths and DSP used to talk about it in a Serge thread, I'll send you PM so we can talk about it ;-)


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