Xaoc Odessa, 1975 Variable Spectrum Harmonic Cluster VCO

iheartmodular · Post by **iheartmodular** » Mon May 06, 2019 5:52 pm

yeah

odessa?

Dragonaut · Post by **Dragonaut** » Mon May 06, 2019 7:06 pm

I convinced myself I didn’t want this module last year but after going back over the superbooth demos I’m convinced it’s going to be one of the most powerful/versatile oscillators ever made.

iheartmodular · Post by **iheartmodular** » Tue May 07, 2019 4:27 am

but it all gone quiet from xaoc

their attention is elsewhere

euxine · Post by **euxine** » Tue May 07, 2019 5:13 am

Though they have rolled out other products (which all look super exciting), it's not likely that 'their attention is elsewhere' - but also that doesn't mean that Odessa will come out anytime soon.

With Praga/Hrad as examples, they seem to take all the time they need to get something exactly right - and this is really appreciated.

I will definitely be in line when they are ready to ship it!

iheartmodular · Post by **iheartmodular** » Tue May 07, 2019 6:00 am

attention elsewhere == rolling out other products

update would be nice

Utopian · Post by **Utopian** » Tue May 07, 2019 6:27 am

iheartmodular wrote:attention elsewhere == rolling out other products

update would be nice

Rolling out other products does is not the same as attention elsewhere.

But I agree that Xaoc could have been more generous with their information. Some small drops of insight into the process would have been nice for the community.

xaoc_tech · Post by **xaoc_tech** » Tue May 07, 2019 7:06 am

Odessa is very close to production. At this point, we cannot offer any precise timeline because of the multitude of parallel tasks involved.

iheartmodular · Post by **iheartmodular** » Tue May 07, 2019 7:23 am

xaoc_tech wrote:Odessa is very close to production. At this point, we cannot offer any precise timeline because of the multitude of parallel tasks involved.

thank you

Jumbuktu · Post by **Jumbuktu** » Tue May 07, 2019 7:32 am

xaoc_tech wrote:Odessa is very close to production. At this point, we cannot offer any precise timeline because of the multitude of parallel tasks involved.

Does Odessa still have the interface with the Drezno/Lipsk /Jena subsystem?

Utopian · Post by **Utopian** » Tue May 07, 2019 7:34 am

xaoc_tech wrote:Odessa is very close to production. At this point, we cannot offer any precise timeline because of the multitude of parallel tasks involved.

Thank You!

xaoc_tech · Post by **xaoc_tech** » Tue May 07, 2019 7:53 am

Jumbuktu wrote: Does Odessa still have the interface with the Drezno/Lipsk /Jena subsystem?

yes

Utopian · Post by **Utopian** » Tue May 07, 2019 8:31 am

I have one wish for Odessa, and other digital modules, that is a good firmware update experience. I want firmware update from audio file. Klavis shows how it should be done with the Twin waves. Take your time to get it right!

xaoc_tech · Post by **xaoc_tech** » Tue May 07, 2019 8:48 am

Utopian wrote:I have one wish for Odessa, and other digital modules, that is a good firmware update experience. I want firmware update from audio file. Klavis shows how it should be done with the Twin waves. Take your time to get it right!

With Odessa it is completely unrealistic, because there is no processor inside that would run a code necessary to read the file.

bobbcorr · Post by **bobbcorr** » Tue May 07, 2019 9:02 am

xaoc_tech wrote:
Utopian wrote:I have one wish for Odessa, and other digital modules, that is a good firmware update experience. I want firmware update from audio file. Klavis shows how it should be done with the Twin waves. Take your time to get it right!
With Odessa it is completely unrealistic, because there is no processor inside that would run a code necessary to read the file.

From an ecosystem perspective, perhaps a back-mounted SD slot on digital modules could be used to "flash" the firmware... or we could just wait to see what you come up with. Keep up the good work.

Funky40 · Post by **Funky40** » Tue May 07, 2019 2:24 pm

xaoc_tech wrote:
Utopian wrote:I have one wish for Odessa, and other digital modules, that is a good firmware update experience. I want firmware update from audio file. Klavis shows how it should be done with the Twin waves. Take your time to get it right!
With Odessa it is completely unrealistic, because there is no processor inside that would run a code necessary to read the file.

but it will be updateable ?
is the method allready set ? how ?

Utopian · Post by **Utopian** » Thu May 09, 2019 3:45 am

xaoc_tech wrote:
Utopian wrote:I have one wish for Odessa, and other digital modules, that is a good firmware update experience. I want firmware update from audio file. Klavis shows how it should be done with the Twin waves. Take your time to get it right!
With Odessa it is completely unrealistic, because there is no processor inside that would run a code necessary to read the file.

I must say I am a little bit worried about this.

I can handle firmware updates using most methods. But an important motivation for going eurorack/hardware synth, is breaking free of the computer and its hassles. Taking a look in this forum it is easy to see that many are struggling. That includes Xaoc modules. Eurorack should not be a struggle. It should be fun. Being required to install a firmware updating tool on a computer is a big no no! I don't want to spend my time worrying and searching for solutions.

I really hope You take this seriously and will deliver a way to do firmware updates that is not good only for your engineers but also care free for the simple user.

iheartmodular · Post by **iheartmodular** » Thu May 09, 2019 5:05 am

i have 5 different adapters for updating modules

harvestman erica intellijel endorphines etc all have these

even easy audio update is problem sometimes

its fine

euxine · Post by **euxine** » Thu May 09, 2019 7:10 am

Utopian wrote:
xaoc_tech wrote:
Utopian wrote:I have one wish for Odessa, and other digital modules, that is a good firmware update experience. I want firmware update from audio file. Klavis shows how it should be done with the Twin waves. Take your time to get it right!
With Odessa it is completely unrealistic, because there is no processor inside that would run a code necessary to read the file.
I must say I am a little bit worried about this.

I can handle firmware updates using most methods. But an important motivation for going eurorack/hardware synth, is breaking free of the computer and its hassles. Taking a look in this forum it is easy to see that many are struggling. That includes Xaoc modules. Eurorack should not be a struggle. It should be fun. Being required to install a firmware updating tool on a computer is a big no no! I don't want to spend my time worrying and searching for solutions.

I really hope You take this seriously and will deliver a way to do firmware updates that is not good only for your engineers but also care free for the simple user.

This post seems to be an individual opinion framed as a representation of the whole eurorack-using population. It also seems to be formed out of your own Selection Bias.

I personally do not care about update method even if I have to touch a computer or a PicKit or whatever. I use euro because I get sounds and a workflow not possible with other means. Nothing about euro is borne out of convenience, and that's kind of the point, no? Being on the 'flexibility' end of the flexibility/convenience spectrum?

Aside from that, there has been no confirmation that Odessa would even require firmware updates, so this seems premature - at least in this thread.

Utopian · Post by **Utopian** » Thu May 09, 2019 8:20 am

iheartmodular wrote: even easy audio update is problem sometimes

Yes, that is true. I have had some challenges with Endorphin.es e.g. That i why I mentioned Klavis as a good example.

euxine wrote: This post seems to be an individual opinion framed as a representation of the whole eurorack-using population. It also seems to be formed out of your own Selection Bias.

Absolutely.

euxine wrote: Nothing about euro is borne out of convenience, and that's kind of the point, no? Being on the 'flexibility' end of the flexibility/convenience spectrum

You can say so, but it is not created for suffering either. And if it was only sounds I have been after I would have gone software. I have spent 10 hours a day for the last 40 years with computers. I love computers, but I think it is nice getting away from them playing my euro.

euxine wrote:Aside from that, there has been no confirmation that Odessa would even require firmware updates, so this seems premature - at least in this thread.

Wasn't the post I responded to a kind of confirmation that Odessa has a firmware? I believe it is not premature, because when released it may be to late for Xaoc to do final adjustments.

Muse FTW · Post by **Muse FTW** » Thu May 09, 2019 10:52 am

euxine wrote:
This post seems to be an individual opinion framed as a representation of the whole eurorack-using population. It also seems to be formed out of your own Selection Bias.

I personally do not care about update method even if I have to touch a computer or a PicKit or whatever. I use euro because I get sounds and a workflow not possible with other means. Nothing about euro is borne out of convenience, and that's kind of the point, no? Being on the 'flexibility' end of the flexibility/convenience spectrum?

Aside from that, there has been no confirmation that Odessa would even require firmware updates, so this seems premature - at least in this thread.

Seriously. The level of assumptions (and entitlement) in this thread has gone off the rails.

dooj88 · Post by **dooj88** » Thu May 09, 2019 11:30 am

edit.. what they said above

xaoc_tech · Post by **xaoc_tech** » Thu May 09, 2019 5:21 pm

This discussion is pointless. I have specifically answered there is no processor in Odessa. It implies there is no operating system as well. Plenty of digital devices do not offer any option of updating due to their construction and operating principle (eg not having any processor inside that could run the updating code).

Yes, the FPGA chip is configured with a code, however burning the code into it is a complex operation that requires special tools. It is not meant to be customer serviceable. Please stop pushing because there is no room to step back.

bobbcorr · Post by **bobbcorr** » Thu May 09, 2019 5:25 pm

xaoc_tech wrote:This discussion is pointless. I have specifically answered there is no processor in Odessa. It implies there is no operating system as well. Plenty of digital devices do not offer any option of updating due to their construction and operating principle (eg not having any processor inside that could run the updating code).

Yes, the FPGA chip is configured with a code, however burning the code into it is a complex operation that requires special tools. It is not meant to be customer serviceable. Please stop pushing because there is no way to step back.

T h a n k y o u.

Richard deHove · Post by **Richard deHove** » Thu May 09, 2019 5:59 pm

All I want is a black panel version.

Utopian · Post by **Utopian** » Fri May 10, 2019 3:54 am

xaoc_tech wrote:This discussion is pointless. I have specifically answered there is no processor in Odessa. It implies there is no operating system as well. Plenty of digital devices do not offer any option of updating due to their construction and operating principle (eg not having any processor inside that could run the updating code).

Yes, the FPGA chip is configured with a code, however burning the code into it is a complex operation that requires special tools. It is not meant to be customer serviceable. Please stop pushing because there is no room to step back.

Thank you for clearing things up!

MUFF WIGGLER

MUFF WIGGLER

Xaoc Odessa, 1975 Variable Spectrum Harmonic Cluster VCO