ciat lonbarde: decoding the rablolz (plumbutter)

cebec · Post by **cebec** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:24 pm

wow, that's just nuts! (and beautiful and ingenious)

bartlebooth · Post by **bartlebooth** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:37 pm

dude wrote:wow, i cannot wrap my head around this. why bananas at this stage of the game? seems odd that it won't incorporate directly with the other stuff without adapters. it looks gorgeous though. the colors are great!

the thing is they're all designed as standalone instruments. even though cross-patching is of course possible, they're not really intended to form a 'system' in the way a modular is. that being said, bananas will be used on future instruments going forward which i think is a good thing vs alligator clips.

bartlebooth · Post by **bartlebooth** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:47 pm

regarding the colors, i like the scheme:
cool colors = inputs
warm colors = ouputs
green = go, for triggering a module

simple to remember

cebec · Post by **cebec** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:24 pm

Do you know what the white jack is for in The Man with the Red Steam?

sandyb · Post by **sandyb** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:36 pm

i like the use of bananas, certainly better than clips.
i guess i'm lucky too that my cocostuber has banana patch points so cross-patching will be easy if i want too.

cebec · Post by **cebec** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:41 pm

I got a ton of alligator to banana plug cables from eBay and thought I would mind using alligators but in practice it's not a problem at all. I cross patch between my Serge and the CocoQuantus and Sidrazzi all the time, now.

One advantage to the brass screws is the ability to touch them, bridge with coins/other materials, as well.

I guess we'll have to see if we can use an exposed banana plug or similar to allow touch control on the Plumbutter.

sgnhh · Post by **sgnhh** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:48 pm

ah, little bit disappointed in the nanners.

dude · Post by **dude** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:56 pm

yeah i guess that was my point. loss of touch sensitivity means a further distance from the amazing tactility of a lot of his previous work. that aspect is by far my most favorite attribute of his creations. i suppose this one may just not be for me. and frankly that is probably good in that i have my hands full learning this system i have already amassed. but the thing is gorgeous.

pas · Post by **pas** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:19 pm

well well, this plumbutter looks awfully mystical, wondrous...just recently i bought a cocoquantus & now this will get in the way of my ciat-catchup, still need to acquire a sidrassi. this is my first glance at the plum, i'll spend the rest of the evening attempting to figure out what exactly i might need this for & then eventually cave.

bartlebooth · Post by **bartlebooth** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:10 pm

cebec wrote:Do you know what the white jack is for in The Man with the Red Steam?

i believe its the snare (white is audio out)

bartlebooth · Post by **bartlebooth** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:43 pm

dude wrote:yeah i guess that was my point. loss of touch sensitivity means a further distance from the amazing tactility of a lot of his previous work. that aspect is by far my most favorite attribute of his creations. i suppose this one may just not be for me. and frankly that is probably good in that i have my hands full learning this system i have already amassed. but the thing is gorgeous.

this is not such an issue with the rollz since touch was never really part of the playing style - even the primordial wood slat rollz-5 was meant to be patched. the roolz gewei doesn't respond that well to touch either (its only really useful on ultrasound). on instruments where gesture is needed there are still going to be barres, antennae and nodes but as a 'laboratory insrument' using modular style patching, bananas were chosen as preferable to alligators.

sandyb · Post by **sandyb** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:41 am

i've edited the thread title very slightly to make searches easier now we know the name of this new instrument.

subterryanean · Post by **subterryanean** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:47 am

Holy shit.

I'm having a loss of words...

weinglas · Post by **weinglas** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:56 am

Holy sh*t!

THAT seems to be a modular drum machine straight out of hell

nrdvrgr · Post by **nrdvrgr** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:30 am

Now that is intriguing... gearlust, plague of the mind...

Pascal · Post by **Pascal** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:49 am

I am happy

Cat-A-Tonic · Post by **Cat-A-Tonic** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:56 am

incredible graphics on that box.

Plumbutter

8_) <those aren't glasses, they're pupils.

DGTom · Post by **DGTom** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:07 pm

The idea of 'drums & drama' really resonates with the way I think about sound / music. I wish I could afford some of Peters stuff. If I'm totally honest I'm not sure what I think about the wood, but I love the graphics & I bet if I met one of these in person I would be turned around on the mixed media aspect.

Until now I've not really known what to think of Ciat-Lonbarde but labrolzpapersz is an amazing document & the explanation of Jagersprache makes alot of things clearer to me, I think. I'm either closer to 'getting it' or further away than ever.

vmgas · Post by **vmgas** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:37 pm

you can get peters gear in clear plastic or atleast there was a time you could but he charges more because he thinks it looks stupid..atleast that was what he said to me when i went over to use his workshop to fix something a few years ago

bartlebooth · Post by **bartlebooth** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:53 pm

vmgas wrote:you can get peters gear in clear plastic or atleast there was a time you could but he charges more because he thinks it looks stupid..atleast that was what he said to me when i went over to use his workshop to fix something a few years ago

i never heard that, that's pretty funny. not that surprising though as peter chooses the wood very carefully, its considered an important part of the instrument. i once went along on a wood-procuring expedition with him to central pennsylvania, nearly 3 hrs each way - he spent a long time there talking with the wood guy and selecting the proper boards for each inst, even smelling them! this is the kind of stuff that's easily overlooked but i believe makes each ciat instrument something special.

DGTom · Post by **DGTom** » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:10 am

vmgas wrote:he charges more because he thinks it looks stupid..

I totally get that & agree w/r/t clear plastic. Its funny, they don't grab me as in 'wow that looks amazing' but I don't think I can imagine them looking any other way. A really bland synth UI (which is my usual preferance) would just look odd.

@bartlebooth I really like the photo essay about getting wood for the sidrazzi & understand it is a big part of the instruments. As I said, I'm sure if I touched one I'd 180, in fact I was just watching Ratsko & Richards videos & they look great tangled up with 'regular' gear.

slow_riot · Post by **slow_riot** » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:04 am

glitchpop · Post by **glitchpop** » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:11 am

slow_riot wrote:wow

+1

dude · Post by **dude** » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:38 am

DGTom wrote:
vmgas wrote:he charges more because he thinks it looks stupid..

I totally get that & agree w/r/t clear plastic. Its funny, they don't grab me as in 'wow that looks amazing' but I don't think I can imagine them looking any other way. A really bland synth UI (which is my usual preferance) would just look odd.

@bartlebooth I really like the photo essay about getting wood for the sidrazzi & understand it is a big part of the instruments. As I said, I'm sure if I touched one I'd 180, in fact I was just watching Ratsko & Richards videos & they look great tangled up with 'regular' gear.

dgtom, i felt the same way, sort of not getting it for a long time until i met a sidrazzi in person. the transition was immediate. it takes just a second with the instruments to realize the ingenuity. you have to touch them. they are designed imo to have fun while exploring sound. he always has pictures and video of (i believe) his child. this makes complete sense to me. i do so much better when i approach with the teachable fun brain of a child or as close as i can get to that.

dan_p · Post by **dan_p** » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:46 am

Ahh Fark, its taking all my special powers not to order one of these right now!!!!!!

MUFF WIGGLER

MUFF WIGGLER

ciat lonbarde: decoding the rablolz (plumbutter)