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Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by Xomrys » Wed May 27, 2020 11:41 pm

So I've had an A&H unit for ages, while it's 'OK', I really noticed a difference when I swapped in a Roland 103 mixer (the system 100 mixer), the sound was much more 'alive', 'crunchy', etc.

Now the 103 has too little functionality to use as a main mixer, I also notice it has a little too much rolloff on the highs and too much noise etc. but it got me thinking, the possibilities of upgrading....

Anyway I am willing to spend a bit, maybe 5-8K, I only need max 8 channels, could make do with 6, and would greatly prefer something in a very small format (I don't have a huge space)

Just very little idea where to look. Do I get something modern, or do I really have to get something made in 1975 and before, I get tired sometimes of vintage gear and their problems.

I know there was an AKG mixer made around the same time (early 70's), 6, channels, but I only saw it once for sale.

Other stuff on Reverb is intriguing -- Audio Developments etc. just have no idea if it has the character of sound I am looking for. but I will probably take a stab in the dark and get an AD149 if nothing else shows up. just don't like to impulse buy, not at this level...

Thoughts?

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by wuff_miggler » Wed May 27, 2020 11:50 pm

the SSL X-desk pretty much matches your criteria (16 tracks):

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or even smaller - but JUST fits you criteria - the SSL Super Analogue Six:
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id like some good ideas myself - so glad you posted :D

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by Soy Sos » Thu May 28, 2020 9:46 am

I'm obsessed with exactly this.
Having fun with a 70's era EV BK1232.
Pros- vibe, tone, character and crunch for days.
Killer spring reverb on board.
Cons- heavy and a bit noisy. No phantom power. You'll need to find a clean one unless you have a good service person who's old school and already knows these.
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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by nuromantix » Thu May 28, 2020 10:39 am

Would be easier to make suggestions if you say what features you need....
EQ? effects sends? direct outs? sub-groups?

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by Xomrys » Thu May 28, 2020 10:49 am

Would be easier to make suggestions if you say what features you need....
EQ? effects sends? direct outs? sub-groups?
EQS -- would be nice not necessary.

Directs and auxes are a must.

Matrix mixer would be absolutely ideal. But I know it's silly to ask about this given the requirement of a very small format.

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by Soy Sos » Thu May 28, 2020 11:01 am

I think this is your zone
Soundcraft Soundcraft 200SR https://reverb.com/item/31808335-soundc ... t=31808335

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by maxl0rd » Thu May 28, 2020 11:21 am

You don't say what A&H you have. There is a massive range of vintage and new. Some older A&H consoles might have the character you are chasing.

If the Roland mixer sounds appealing to you, then something like the SSL or AD will probably be disappointing as they are both extremely neutral sounding by design. The Soundcraft 200 is a stone classic, but if you are "tired of vintage gear and its problems" then you don't want one of those either. It certainly is not small.

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by flo » Thu May 28, 2020 11:46 am

For 5-8k and matrix mixer, I would ask Hinton Instruments. They could build an amazingly flexible custom mixer for that :sb:

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by leeski » Thu May 28, 2020 12:41 pm

Hi I'd go the 500 series route
Old desk's are a pain in the Asssss
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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by blw » Thu May 28, 2020 2:18 pm

Well within that price range, I went with X-Desk/X-Panda, with money left over for a bit of X-Rack. The DB25 makes things bulkier than I might like, and I get jealous reading about fun vintage stuff like Soy Sos has (that make is now in my Reverb feed 8-) ). But the SSL is so clean and quiet and can be overdriven in wonderful ways, unlike my old mixer which distorted badly when peaking. I definitely second the recommendation above.

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by nuromantix » Thu May 28, 2020 4:56 pm

A Studer 169?

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Post by nuromantix » Thu May 28, 2020 5:00 pm

On the clean side, I love the Midas Venice 16 (pre-behringer) which is rackable.
This is a fantastic price if legit: https://www.10kused.com/product/midas-venice-160-2/

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Post by oldgearguy » Thu May 28, 2020 5:12 pm

I ended up buying a Toft ATB24, but the 16 might better fit your needs.

I went from an old Allen & Heath System 8 to a restored Trident Series 70. That was an amazing sounding board, but at 7' long and a few hundred pounds to move, it became impractical. The Toft is a step down in pure sonics from the Trident, but there's a lot that's good about it as well. The reality is that this is a hobby, so chasing the nth degree of audio bliss doesn't make a lot of day to day sense for me. The MiniMoog still sounds awesome through any of those boards, so I picked what worked and moved on

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by Soy Sos » Thu May 28, 2020 5:16 pm

SOY SOS MOD + EV + FX 1.mp3
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This is 4 sounds from the modular into 4 channels of the EV console.
2 Pittsburgh LPG, radio and ipad running Borderlands.
FX are 2 Pittsburgh Analog Delay Units, the EV's spring reverb, an Arion DDS-1 and TC Electronic Hall of Fame.
I start overdriving the preamp on one of the bass sounds around 5 minutes.
Have a listen and let me know what you think, I think it sounds pretty kewl.

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by wuff_miggler » Thu May 28, 2020 6:42 pm

the vibe for dub techno is pretty damn spot on :)
i'd think a clean desk would be boring as batshit for that style!

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by blw » Thu May 28, 2020 6:53 pm

Soy Sos :yay:

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by Xomrys » Thu May 28, 2020 8:59 pm

nuromantix wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 4:56 pm
A Studer 169?
This is very likely, thanks.
I thought they were bigger than they were... but I checked -- 19", which is fine.
I hope it doesn't weigh 200 pounds though...

Anyway when I was searching before there used to be lots on reverb, and at better prices, so I will just wait until more shows up again...

I still wish I had some clue of the sonic difference between the 169 and the AD or newer SSL but I am leaning towards the 169.

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by Xomrys » Thu May 28, 2020 9:03 pm

Soy Sos wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 5:16 pm
SOY SOS MOD + EV + FX 1.mp3This is 4 sounds from the modular into 4 channels of the EV console.
2 Pittsburgh LPG, radio and ipad running Borderlands.
FX are 2 Pittsburgh Analog Delay Units, the EV's spring reverb, an Arion DDS-1 and TC Electronic Hall of Fame.
I start overdriving the preamp on one of the bass sounds around 5 minutes.
Have a listen and let me know what you think, I think it sounds pretty kewl.
Sounds great, dub techno is definitely an influence for me as well, especially Basic Channel or Atheus, this definitely has the vibe

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by GrantB » Thu May 28, 2020 9:20 pm

wuff_miggler wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 6:42 pm
the vibe for dub techno is pretty damn spot on :)
i'd think a clean desk would be boring as batshit for that style!
Depends how much other crap you run it through first heh heh. Mark and Moritz are clean desk dudes. Listen to Rhythm and Sound, sparkling filth.

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by wuff_miggler » Thu May 28, 2020 9:26 pm

thats true - i have all of r & s... one of the best examples of "your soundsystem is still too shit to do this justice" :P

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by 3hands » Thu May 28, 2020 9:36 pm

oldgearguy wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 5:12 pm
I ended up buying a Toft ATB24, but the 16 might better fit your needs.

I went from an old Allen & Heath System 8 to a restored Trident Series 70. That was an amazing sounding board, but at 7' long and a few hundred pounds to move, it became impractical. The Toft is a step down in pure sonics from the Trident, but there's a lot that's good about it as well. The reality is that this is a hobby, so chasing the nth degree of audio bliss doesn't make a lot of day to day sense for me. The MiniMoog still sounds awesome through any of those boards, so I picked what worked and moved on
I still have my Allen & Heath system 8 and I bloody love it. Yes it’s big, but it sounds fantastic. Mines due for a rebuild though...
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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by leeski » Fri May 29, 2020 3:22 am

This is the future, you should get with it :tu:

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by blw » Fri May 29, 2020 3:48 am

leeski wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 3:22 am
This is the future, you should get with it :tu:
Why the future has gots no faders? :sadbanana:



EDIT: You've gotten me reading up on the Cranborne all morning now. :zombie:

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Re: Higher end/vintage small mixers

Post by wminor » Fri May 29, 2020 12:35 pm

I find the idea of the 500 series rack mixer combo very intriguing, but one thing I haven't seen yet is one that has aux sends for each channel. Without that, it would be hard for me to live with I think... though maybe I'd just need to try it and see how it goes. It's not like you'd be able to do a proper dub mix on those things anyway because of the form factor.
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