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Post by mfirman » Sat Aug 29, 2015 10:24 pm

Here it is at the AHMW 2007 meet (that's Cary Roberts pictured
in front of it). It's nestled amongst various Wiard and Blacet Frac
modules and a FutureRetro Revolution.
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Post by slow_riot » Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:12 pm

mfirman wrote:I did bring it to AHMW a few times over the
years. Not sure there were any specific Giorgio Moroder
tunes done on it at these times, but there were probably
some nice Moroder-like sounds emanating from it I'm sure.
It turns out that often, when I bring it out to sync meets
(such as KnobCon and AHMW), a lot of folks don't really
know what they are seeing/hearing. There is often a complete
lack of interest (everyone wants to see/hear the latest
Eurorack module, or Buchla, or Arp clone). The same thing
has happened with the Serge when I've dragged it out. I think
folks just don't know what it's all about. I've stopped
displaying it in public for this reason. Nothing wrong with
Euro, Buchla, or Arp, but I was a little taken aback by
the profound disinterest.
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Post by fluxmonkey » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:01 am

mfirman wrote:I did bring it to AHMW a few times over the
years. Not sure there were any specific Giorgio Moroder
tunes done on it at these times, but there were probably
some nice Moroder-like sounds emanating from it I'm sure.
It turns out that often, when I bring it out to sync meets
(such as KnobCon and AHMW), a lot of folks don't really
know what they are seeing/hearing. There is often a complete
lack of interest (everyone wants to see/hear the latest
Eurorack module, or Buchla, or Arp clone). The same thing
has happened with the Serge when I've dragged it out. I think
folks just don't know what it's all about. I've stopped
displaying it in public for this reason. Nothing wrong with
Euro, Buchla, or Arp, but I was a little taken aback by
the profound disinterest.
maybe not... my experience playing with both your wiard and serge systems at AHMW were key inputs to my decisions to invest in these instruments. much appreciated!
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Post by mfirman » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:38 am

To be a bit more fair about this fluxmonkey,
AHMW has always had folks that showed an
interest in all sorts of different, classic, musical,
or DIY devices.

However, I had a table at KnobCon two
years in a row, where I barely saw
anyone touch the Serge and Buchla Thunder
the first year, and the Wiard the second year.
The only folks that came by to look were people
I knew. I really don't come to these events
to draw attention, but I was really disappointed
in how locked in and closed minded folks in
the synth world have become (now I really sound
like an old fart - which I am, of course).

There is nothing wrong with Dance oriented music,
Drums and Bass, Techno, EDM or whatever the
styles are, nor is there anything wrong with Eurorack
modules or beat boxes. I love all of that stuff. I just
don't understand the strange focus on a particular
style of music, or a particular module format. It just
saddened me a bit.

Okay, the lament is over.

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Post by jdkee » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:20 pm

Michael,

I noticed you have a Tempest and external sequencer by your Wiard. How have you integrated them into the Wiard or are they separate entities?

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Post by mfirman » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:30 pm

jdkee wrote:Michael,

I noticed you have a Tempest and external sequencer by your Wiard. How have you integrated them into the Wiard or are they separate entities?
Well, I've done various experiments with the Wiard and
a number of different devices. I was using a Kenton Pro
Solo to get the MIDI clock from the Tempest and produce
pulses (gates) for use in the Wiard. The Pro Solo has since died,
but I have other devices that do a similar job. The MAQ
sequencer can be used straight out since it has CV/Gate outputs
for each row. I can also clock the MAQ with the Tempest.

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Post by flts » Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:42 am

I've been actually thinking about building some kind of fancy clock / trigger source to go with the Wiard. We were doing some impromptu modular jams with a friend just a week or two ago, and it turns out my Wiard rack triggered by Mutable Instruments Grids provides pretty awesome Autechresque FM percussion. Tempted to put together an eurorack frame under the Wiard, and build one of those programmable clock generators because of that.
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Post by plord » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:44 am

flts wrote:I've been actually thinking about building some kind of fancy clock / trigger source to go with the Wiard. We were doing some impromptu modular jams with a friend just a week or two ago, and it turns out my Wiard rack triggered by Mutable Instruments Grids provides pretty awesome Autechresque FM percussion. Tempted to put together an eurorack frame under the Wiard, and build one of those programmable clock generators because of that.
Why go to a different voltage format though? Metalbox has you covered. Pulse Divider, Gate Sequencer, Sequential Switch, throw in a Blacet Binary Zone or two, patch in the cross faders from your Envelator. That's a lot of gate/clock power right there. If you need a clock that can speed up, slow down, and have variable gate time, throw in a Blacet VCO. Right? Octave up/down to double/half the clock, CV to pulse width for variable gate.

[only fair to add: I have a modded-for-15V Flame Clockwork and a Klee, so I have other more trivial options for gate and clock madness, but still...]

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Post by flts » Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:11 pm

plord wrote:Why go to a different voltage format though? Metalbox has you covered. Pulse Divider, Gate Sequencer, Sequential Switch, throw in a Blacet Binary Zone or two, patch in the cross faders from your Envelator. That's a lot of gate/clock power right there. If you need a clock that can speed up, slow down, and have variable gate time, throw in a Blacet VCO. Right? Octave up/down to double/half the clock, CV to pulse width for variable gate.
[only fair to add: I have a modded-for-15V Flame Clockwork and a Klee, so I have other more trivial options for gate and clock madness, but still...]
Yep, that's a good point, and one that I've seriously considered myself... I still have quite a bit of power to spare in the Hinton PSU I use to power the Wiard, so would be nice to use that, and I do like the idea of more loose panel layouts for ergonomic reasons.

The first problem is, quite surprisingly, price - as about the whole Frac-land is USA based, exchange rates + shipping + VAT are against me whether with buying an empty rack or modules, unless I find something used in EU at the right time when I can afford it. It might be actually more economic to DIY an Euro subrack with decent +-12V supply.

The second problem is that Euro does have all kinds of nice extra modules and DIY kits like fancy algorithmic / digital pattern generation that Frac seems to be lacking on. Edit: I know there's Binary Zone and you can patch awesome things with clock dividers, seq switches, etc., what I specifically mean here is programmable / probabilistic / euclidean type microcontroller based stuff. I have to admit I've eyed the Metalbox/CGS stuff and BZ with great interest as well though, and it would make deciding on a module setup much easier!

Third option I'm considering is to just buy a boatload of CGS and other PCBs and build a +-15V powerable utility rack (whether Euro, Frac or 1U panel size) of gate and trigger generation and manipulation, mixing and VCAs. Most of cool Metalbox trigger and logic modules seem to be based on CGS designs / PCBs anyway. However, it isn't like my DIY backlog isn't big enough as is already... :deadbanana:
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Post by slow_riot » Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:32 pm

Digital pattern generator / audio noise source being (slowly) thought about right now. I want it to be equally capable of both so that might mean some compromises from both sides.

I'll probably PM you for some advice when I get deeper into the design, I never used proper clocking when playing, just heavily modulated envelopes, varying time signatures etc, so it would be interesting to see what your needs are.

Blacet gets cheap if you do kits btw. And euro is sure going to have less compromises that are inherent in a dedicated instrument, say if you wanted drum modules.

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Post by elmerfudd » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:41 am

Its big,its blue and its almost DONE........
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Post by chamomileshark » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:42 am

very nice :)
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Post by tron23 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:58 am

Modcan A and Wiard! :party:

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Post by elmerfudd » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:53 pm

Sort of east coast mid-west coast synthesis.....Muff needs a 6u format section....

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Post by johnnywoods » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:04 pm

Finished up my case last weekend, so it's picture time!

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Post by jdkee » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:49 pm

Wow, is that 9 modules wide? And what modules?

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Post by johnnywoods » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:07 pm

jdkee wrote:Wow, is that 9 modules wide? And what modules?
Yup!

2 sequantizers, waveform cities, borgs, mixolators, wogglebugs
3 vcos, envelators
1 filter, Chaquo
311 and 311c

I bought a 6 module system and then got a deal on another 12... was planning on selling 6 or so, but once I saw all 18 together I fell in love :-)

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Post by numan7 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:05 am

:loves::hail: utterly splendid system, johnnywoods!


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Post by Joxer96 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:51 pm

Beautiful, johnnywoods!

What's the white unit directly below the 300s?

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Post by DomMorley » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:19 pm

Joxer96 wrote: What's the white unit directly below the 300s?
Looks like one of these:

https://koma-elektronik.com/?product=komplex-sequencer
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Post by jdkee » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:21 pm

That is a beautiful system. Any tracks made with it?

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Post by johnnywoods » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:34 pm

jdkee wrote:That is a beautiful system. Any tracks made with it?
I have most of an album done, about 1/3 was made with Wiard, and the rest with Serge. It'll probably be a couple months before it's ready, but pm me and I can send you a few tracks ;-)

And yes, that's a Koma Komplex. Integrates beautifully with the 300.

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Post by thee ghost ov n_phay » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:37 pm

Ross Lamond made me a nice case for my Wiard and DIY modules, here it is:

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Post by jdkee » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:14 am

It is amazing to see the organic growth come together with these systems, whether 300 or 1200 or both. In proper cases to support the style and format. Who says Euro has to have all the fun?

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Post by elmerfudd » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:02 am

So, got tired of using all my jumbles/ adapter cables to have 311C hooked to the modcan. The 1200s showed up on BST and with a little work got a banana enhancement and a stand alone box. Power is on Wiard standard din and has an umbilical to mta plug so its on the modcan rails. Like the aesthetic, if the graphic spacing would allow it, I would redrill all the 300 modules for nanners....Image

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