Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?

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Post by Chuck E. Jesus » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:00 pm

dougcl wrote:I say nothing here I would not say to you in person.
i would say "hey doug, what's up?"

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Post by rezzn8r » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:28 pm

having been on the wrong end of one of doug's tantrums in the past, I would just say ignore him, dude.
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Post by theantiroman » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:37 pm

hey mod, can't we just get along?

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Post by sduck » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:18 pm

jeez dougcl, that was totally uncalled for. And off topic I might add. Lighten up.
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Post by Christopher Winkels » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:05 am

I have to agree.

Dude's original comment was very well prefaced with:

"well for me there is a short answer and it is modcan. but the concepts could be applied to any system"

That simultaneously flies his colours yet allows for the reality that there are other good options. There was no need to jump on his throat for such an innocuous statement. Had someone else inserted Doepfer/Dotcom/Blacet/Serge would the statement be any more or less valid?

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Post by Pfurmel » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:32 am

Back on topic,
Last night I had a patch going using the Wogglebug as the basis. I had it influencing the VILFO which was clocking a random sequence on the A155. I also used it to open VCA's and trigger the envelator. I got some nice random evolving stuff. Great fun.

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Post by Nelson Baboon » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:53 am

Christopher Winkels wrote:I have to agree.

Dude's original comment was very well prefaced with:

"well for me there is a short answer and it is modcan. but the concepts could be applied to any system"

That simultaneously flies his colours yet allows for the reality that there are other good options. There was no need to jump on his throat for such an innocuous statement. Had someone else inserted Doepfer/Dotcom/Blacet/Serge would the statement be any more or less valid?
Except he immediately followed that with the 'fact' that modcan includes more options to allow you to construct these patches: "but the concepts could be applied to any system, bruce just happens to include it a lot more." It might just be careless wording, but the way it was worded irked me a bit, and had I not just run across this now, I'd have probably thrown in something sarcastic also.

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Post by bwhittington » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:35 am

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Post by theantiroman » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:57 am

Could one record CV with a boss looping pedal?

I'd imagine you could roughly follow the path of sending gates out to the looper, recording a pattern of them, then sending it's output into envelopes-> osc...

I don't have one but I think it would work and I could see that helping with self generating patches.

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Post by dude » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:59 am

yes i have careless wording. i will certainly agree about that. as for recording cv, nope you need modcan for that at least at the moment but other options are coming around.

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Post by Yohda » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:03 am

as for recording cv, nope you need modcan for that at least at the moment but other options are coming around.
Subotnick was recording CV long before Modcan came out.

http://www.buzzclick-music.com/mort_lore.html

So you don't "need" Modcan. 8_)

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Post by bwhittington » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:05 am

theantiroman wrote:Could one record CV with a boss looping pedal?
I don't know if the Boss pedal will record DC, but I do know that the . . . Modcan CV Recorder does. :hide: :lol:

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Post by theantiroman » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:34 am

Well you can record CV onto a tape deck right?

I've read the little 'mort' paper on CV recording, def interested if the boss looper would do it... I guess tehre is one real way to find out!

Right now I am thinking I could record loops that are just audio then send them into an A119, set threshhold to set the gate levels, then take the gate out as a sort of simulation CV output...

here is a totally naive question:

Are gate outputs just bursts of CV?

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Post by dude » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:34 am

i was being tongue in cheek considering all the flack i ve been getting for my poorly worded initial comment. yeah there are a couple ways to record cv. i think flame has a device which can do some of that there has been a looming asys cv recorder for a while. it may even be out i have no idea. oh and the harvestman tyme sefari.
i would qualify that it may be easiest to use the modcan for the recording as it is one single unit dedicated to the cause as opposed to a collection of equipment/modules to record and then play back.

i haven't had coffee yet so if you are feeling like you want to attack me, give me an hour so i can at least be awake enough to read your replies.

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Post by haricots » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:38 am

dudes in trouble. the anti-Modcan league is gathering strength. for god sakes make sure your thoughts and sentences are properly formed, logically and grammatically. :roll:

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Post by Yohda » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:39 am

i haven't had coffee yet so if you are feeling like you want to attack me, give me an hour so i can at least be awake enough to read your replies.
Hey Dude, I wasn't attacking you, I was just pointing an alternative.

Take your time and good coffee ! :chug:
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Post by dude » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:47 am

Yohda wrote:
i haven't had coffee yet so if you are feeling like you want to attack me, give me an hour so i can at least be awake enough to read your replies.
Hey Dude, I wasn't attacking you, I was just pointing an alternative.

Take your time and good coffee ! :chug:
no no man, not you. :hihi: you were offering helpful information related to the topic and you are totally right that mort had this shit figured waaaaay before! his process is somewhat cumbersome though as compared to some of the dc capable single units available at present.

anyway, the recording of long form cv meanderings is a wonderful way to get really interesting evolving patches.

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Post by Nelson Baboon » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:16 am

haricots wrote:dudes in trouble. the anti-Modcan league is gathering strength. for god sakes make sure your thoughts and sentences are properly formed, logically and grammatically. :roll:
yeah, it's a good thing we all communicate telepathically.

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Post by 7thDanSound » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:49 pm

Recording high pitched audio that's amplitude modulated by a VCA and then playing it back through an envelope follower should enable CV recording. And I guess it'd work just fine on a tape delay too.

Sarcasm and smugness I don't quite see how it benefits well, anyone. Cutting someone some slack for excessive format love and sloppy morning wording (which wasn't so bad, was it really?) shouldn't be below anyones dignity.

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Post by theantiroman » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:10 pm

@ 7th Dan Sound:

Sick!

So is that :

audio into VCA with the VCA being opened and closed rapidly in some manner. then VCA to recording device.

playback (CV retrieval): recorded CV to envelope follower then enve. follower output to whatever you want to follow CV?

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Post by MrBiggs » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:19 pm

Great great thread (well most of it anyway).

I have a pile of good modules for this kind of thing -- I should do as the OP mentioned, set up a patch, hit record, and leave; then listen to it later (I draw all day for work and long evolving electronica is perfect for a soundtrack to such tasks).

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Post by dkcg » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:32 pm

Not sure if this applies, but a bit of history of electronic control. When the first motion control cameras were invented, they would record control voltages/signals onto acetate disks (I think it was acetate) to play back motions later. I believe Hitchcock was a big user of this method.

Recording control signals has been around a long time even before synths.

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Post by 7thDanSound » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:51 pm

theantiroman wrote:@ 7th Dan Sound:

Sick!

So is that :

audio into VCA with the VCA being opened and closed rapidly in some manner. then VCA to recording device.

playback (CV retrieval): recorded CV to envelope follower then enve. follower output to whatever you want to follow CV?
Yes, that's exactly how I imagined it :hihi:

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Post by wmonk » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:21 pm

And with a few changes, the ACX P-Sequencer will do the trick of CV recording too. Etch the pcb, get a few components and a panel. For less then 50$ you're the man! http://www.acxsynth.com/pseq/pseqfr.htm

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