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de-bloating windows 10

Post by solipsvs » Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:48 pm

https://www.christitus.com/clean-up-windows-10/

i did this and win 10 pro has been very smooth ever since. i also cleaned up the registry with ‘registry healer’

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Post by jdaddyaz » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:55 pm

I'll try it out tomorrow. Thanks.
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Post by seal_cobblr » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:14 am

Nice. Thanks for the tip.

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by hamildad » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:37 am

Just got a Windows PC for the first time after maybe 15 years, went to follow this, and saw a new process thats meant to be more thorough.

find it under: Alternative GitHub Project - Version 2004 Compatible

https://www.christitus.com/debloat-windows-10-2020/

I also changed it to only take security up dates to avoid rebloating

https://www.christitus.com/windows-upda ... rity-only/
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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by solipsvs » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:01 pm

dewd! sweet!

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by attacca » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:01 pm

This is not meant to criticize anyone, I am offering information and alternatives that people may not be aware of:

De-bloating Windows 10 isn't really possible, the operating system is not designed for efficiency and significant amounts of coding work is done by the lowest bidder overseas. Much like the Boeing 737 Max 8.

Here is an example: https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2019/ ... nel-calls/

TLDR: a simple right click on the taskbar has the kernel read a file over 100,000 times resulting in ~600ms latency before the window is drawn. This is insane from a programming perspective.

Not only that, Windows is a privacy nightmare and you don't actually own it when you purchase it. You are purchasing the right to use it, a license, which can be revoked at any time for any reason. Microsoft can and does install software against your will (candy crush, etc), even after you delete the malware (and it is malware, even games like candy crush phone home with lots of data) it is reinstalled next time Windows checks for updates. Speaking of updates, Windows chooses when your computer updates, and can do so at the worst times. Control panel settings you may have set for privacy, performance etc, can and do get changed back quietly in the background without your knowledge after many updates. MacOS is somewhat better but not much. Also with Windows, you literally have Ads in your desktop OS. Not only do you pay to use Windows, they are also making money off you again by selling the data you generate. Yes most of this can be avoided with buying the enterprise version...

If you want to make computing fun again and take back control of your digital lives, I recommend at least partially switching to Linux. It's free, freedom and privacy respecting, performant, and surprisingly accessible these days. It can run a DAW fine even on 2008 laptop hardware. It offers low latency for audio applications and it's about to get better with PipeWire. There is a lot of good software for Linux, both open source and commercial. Here are a few examples A/V related:

https://ardour.org/
https://www.bitwig.com/en/home.html
https://www.reaper.fm/
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/produc ... ciresolve/

When it comes to audio equipment, interfaces, soundcards, midi, everything just works. No drivers to install (Linux is a monolithic kernel), like ASIO drivers for your interface in Windows for instance. Most utilities you need are built in, I was able to update Yarns via midi sysex messages with a simple terminal command, no software to install. I can also run Arturia's software for managing KeySteps, BeatSteps, etc.

Anyway, if anyone is interested, I am available to help you out. I can answer questions, give guidance, even walk you through setting up a DAW etc.

P.S. As with learning anything new, it will take some effort, but don't give up! There are lots of resources out there to guide you!

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by solipsvs » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:09 pm

totally aware, its just that certain music software and hardware requires windows 10. i dont use it for much else. i have had an acceptable time of it so far. i might be more interested in linux for browsing the net.

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by attacca » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:10 pm

Cool cool, just posting for anyone interested. Lots of plugins and VSTs work now too FYI.

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Post by wuff_miggler » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:42 am

if the big player VST's, sample libraries, stuff like Native Instruments work - i think it's worth pursuing for audio.
Im already a Reaper user. But FL Studio has no linux build at present.

massively agree with the inability to control win 10 at all - it's less and less suitable for production - i hope software manufacturers are aware power users hate this sort of shit. Windows 10 decided i wanted Microsoft Edge installed :/ fuck....

i hope one day - we can run everything using Wine...or Proton - i feel it might be soon.

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:18 am

This interests me. After about a year long ~time out~ (medical shit) I'm trying to get back on the horse. I began a computer build project before the shit hit the fan, and I'm about ready to pick back up on it again. It's a PC, but I've not yet bought the OS for it. I was mentally battling with the Win 10 vs Win 7 thing back then, and from what I've read here in this thread it looks like Win 7 will still be my best option. I've already invested in Ableton Live 9 (no idea if it's compatible with Linux). So it looks like keeping the DAW system off line and using Win 7 with Live 9 may be the most practical choice here. Maybe?

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by attacca » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:31 am

I would not use Windows 7 online if that's what you are asking, not even to activate it, if it still even activates. Official support has ended as of January, and you can bet Windows 7 users have a huge target on their backs due to its proliferation and everyone's unwillingness to change. If you chose to, you are basically choosing to participate in a botnet.

The best of both worlds would be to install Windows 7 offline, use a keygen to activate, if the latest builds still need to, and dual boot Linux. Either on a separate drive completely or just a separate partition.

Ableton does not currently support Linux, maybe with pressure from the likes of Bitwig and others they will in the future. Bitwig is first class as well if you haven't checked it out.

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by htor » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:03 am

attacca wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:01 pm
If you want to make computing fun again and take back control of your digital lives, I recommend at least partially switching to Linux.
i see where you are coming from, but lots of software don't run on linux. so people choose convenience over control.
When it comes to audio equipment, interfaces, soundcards, midi, everything just works. No drivers to install (Linux is a monolithic kernel), like ASIO drivers for your interface in Windows for instance. Most utilities you need are built in, I was able to update Yarns via midi sysex messages with a simple terminal command, no software to install. I can also run Arturia's software for managing KeySteps, BeatSteps, etc.
sure, if you know your way around the command line then you can accomplish a lot in linux. this is still not an easy route for many non-techies and musicians. unbloating linux would even require more skills. process managment, kernel modules, services, shell scripts and package management. it's a deep rabbit hole. perfect for programmers, but not for the regular windows or mac user.
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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by Shledge » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:17 am

If you want to make computing fun again and take back control of your digital lives, I recommend at least partially switching to Linux.
As someone who does run Linux in a dual boot environment, it's not ideal for music production at the moment. A lot of hardware are simply not supported or have crap drivers. Most popular DAWs are not on Linux either, so there is Reaper, Bitwig (both excellent)... and then lots of shite open source programs made by people who have no idea what UI/UX is.

If companies actually start making their hardware and software compatible with Linux, I'd fully switch in a heartbeat, but until then... I honestly won't take it as a serious alternative. That goes to MacOS, which is arguably better overall for music production if it weren't for the fact that Apple's hardware is utter dogshit in hardware specs compared to what you can get with a custom PC.

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by Risc_Terilia » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:28 am

YFW people have been using Windows XP this whole time without any issues...

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Post by Rex Coil 7 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:30 am

attacca wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:31 am
I would not use Windows 7 online if that's what you are asking, not even to activate it, if it still even activates.
Well, perhaps I was unclear and should have made efforts to be more clear, that said, I'm not asking that at all. I'm ~telling~. What I am "asking" is if there is any reason NOT to use Win7 ... OFF LINE ... just install it on the music PC using the disk.
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Official support has ended as of January, and you can bet Windows 7 users have a huge target on their backs due to its proliferation and everyone's unwillingness to change. If you chose to, you are basically choosing to participate in a botnet.
I'm aware of that. But out of curiosity what of net-connected PCs on Win 7 that are "protected" by one of the better anti-virus programs? (PC Matic or everwhat).
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The best of both worlds would be to install Windows 7 offline, use a keygen to activate, if the latest builds still need to, and dual boot Linux. Either on a separate drive completely or just a separate partition.
My music computer system won't be connected to the web. Ever. At least that's the intention. And then there's this ....
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... As someone who does run Linux in a dual boot environment, it's not ideal for music production at the moment. A lot of hardware are simply not supported or have crap drivers. Most popular DAWs are not on Linux either, so there is Reaper, Bitwig (both excellent)... and then lots of shite open source programs made by people who have no idea what UI/UX is.

If companies actually start making their hardware and software compatible with Linux, I'd fully switch in a heartbeat, but until then... I honestly won't take it as a serious alternative. That goes to MacOS, which is arguably better overall for music production if it weren't for the fact that Apple's hardware is utter dogshit in hardware specs compared to what you can get with a custom PC.
So Linux + Live 9 .. not looking so good.
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Ableton does not currently support Linux, maybe with pressure from the likes of Bitwig and others they will in the future. Bitwig is first class as well if you haven't checked it out.
Y'know, I actually have Bitwig. I've not taken the time to learn it. It came with some piece of Arturia kit about two years ago, full version of Bitwig. Ugh ... I'm financially committed to Live 9 though. Oh well, here we are.

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by advrsry » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:31 am

What are people actually trying to achieve? Is there a before after measurement in terms of latency or whatever that might make this appealing? I have a Windows 10 computer and certainly didn't "debloat" anything and it works very well. Also LOL at "registry healer", brb taking my modular to a shaman later.

Re: the system update thing, it never interrupted anything for me and it's possible to schedule updates for whenever you want.

I've used Linux for various things for about 20 years and wouldn't really recommend using it for audio production unless this is something you want to pursue for it's own sake.

TLDR; have a good computer, audio interface with good drivers, and don't touch things you don't understand.

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by Shledge » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:48 am

advrsry wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:31 am
TLDR; have a good computer, audio interface with good drivers, and don't touch things you don't understand.
:roll:

I've already done the above a while ago - there is no harm in doing it and you do get a performance boost, along with more space. ;)

In fact, any general wisdom I've seen since the past couple of decades is to have an OS as stripped down as possible to get as much performance as you can for music production. I've seen the same for 98, XP, 7 etc.
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Post by advrsry » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:50 am

> there is no harm in doing it

How do you know this?

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Post by advrsry » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:52 am

People should do whatever the fuck they want with their computers, but the discourse level around these things is about the same level as boomer audiophile cable discussions.

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

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advrsry wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:50 am
> there is no harm in doing it

How do you know this?
Because it removes and changes non-essential parts of the OS that just waste space and CPU cycles? It's not rocket science. I've been doing this ever since I got into music production, which is the better part of what... 22 years?
People should do whatever the fuck they want with their computers, but the discourse level around these things is about the same level as boomer audiophile cable discussions.
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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by attacca » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:06 am

Well fuck me for trying to help. I need to debunk just about every reply after my first post in this thread. Its quite obvious that almost none you have low level knowledge of modern computers.

I don't have time to tonight, maybe I'll get around to it tomorrow if I'm in a good mood.

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

Post by advrsry » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:28 am

Shledge wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:54 am
advrsry wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:50 am
> there is no harm in doing it

How do you know this?
Because it removes and changes non-essential parts of the OS that just waste space and CPU cycles? It's not rocket science. I've been doing this ever since I got into music production, which is the better part of what... 22 years?
Note that you did not answer my question.
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People should do whatever the fuck they want with their computers, but the discourse level around these things is about the same level as boomer audiophile cable discussions.
Says the king of geriatric boomers.
No U. It's likely we're about the same age which makes this ridiculous discussion even more ridiculous.

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Re: de-bloating windows 10

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advrsry wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:28 am
Note that you did not answer my question.
...I just did? Do you want me to give specifics as to why the likes of built in microsoft apps running in the background that you'll barely use is non-essential? Really?!?

Here is an example - why would you need an OS to load an extension to facilitate WiFi connectivity... if you don't use Wifi. If it can be turned off or removed, then it won't harm anything simply because the sole purpose of that is to give WiFi functionality. Leaving it there can take up CPU cycles as it will actively look of WiFi networks you don't intend to connect to.
No U. It's likely we're about the same age which makes this ridiculous discussion even more ridiculous.
Boomer is a mentality. Being condescending by basically telling people to not touch what you assume they don't understand is some blatant boomer shite.
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EDIT: double post

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Post by hamildad » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:27 am

attacca wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:01 pm
the operating system is not designed for efficiency and significant amounts of coding work is done by the lowest bidder overseas.
Staying out this Linux vs. Microsoft fight which amounts to do what you want, its your money..., but how does the geographical location of the coding make any difference in the OS?
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