How awesome is the Emu Morpheus / Ultra-proteus?

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Post by chamomileshark » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:45 am

I think I've read stuff on the internet (now that sounds authoritative) that the filters are there on other things - BUT they are not morphing - and that only the Morpheus and Ultraproteus do that.

But then I've read alot of stuff about the Z plane filters on E-mus that have then been disputed.

And my memory isn't so good.
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Post by peripatitis » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:33 am

On the emulator x series they have their filter designer that is supposed to have produced these filters and there is some morphing. The filters seem less complex, but at the same time the quality of them is a lot better.

This could be a good alternative, since it also allows for higher quality samples plus it is probably one of the few software sampler that actually does sample.

On the other hand i am not sure if it is even sold anymore, and for sure there doesn't seem to be any support, not that it has any bugs i am aware of.
Even the sample library is difficult to find though !

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Post by h4ndcrafted » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:37 am

peripatitis wrote:On the emulator x series they have their filter designer that is supposed to have produced these filters and there is some morphing. The filters seem less complex, but at the same time the quality of them is a lot better.

This could be a good alternative, since it also allows for higher quality samples plus it is probably one of the few software sampler that actually does sample.

On the other hand i am not sure if it is even sold anymore, and for sure there doesn't seem to be any support, not that it has any bugs i am aware of.
Even the sample library is difficult to find though !
Im pretty sure it is unsupported now, I remember looking into it about 18 months ago.

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Post by h4ndcrafted » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:48 am

Wooah an hour of Morph niceness. I recognise a few patches.

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Post by chamomileshark » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:54 am

You can still get Emulator X3, legit, new and cheap.

There is some support from the vendors.

However..it has some serious quirks.

It insists on you saving the library all the time. Select a patch and you have to save the library. Even if you have the programme open for a short while you have to save the lbrary.

If you forget it's likely to crash your project.

There are issues on some DAWs and OS's over and above that one.
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Post by GovernorSilver » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:22 am

chamomileshark wrote:I think I've read stuff on the internet (now that sounds authoritative) that the filters are there on other things - BUT they are not morphing - and that only the Morpheus and Ultraproteus do that.
The Z-plane filters on the Emu Command Station also morph, but are a bit less programmable than the ones on the Morpheus. OTOH, they still deliver a lot of sound design capability.

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Post by mantiwhore » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:45 am

Had the Morpheus, then sold it, then bought again (pretty much like it was the same unit + cards), the sold it again. Would buy again if the price was right :doh:
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Post by peripatitis » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:09 pm

chamomileshark wrote:You can still get Emulator X3, legit, new and cheap.

There is some support from the vendors.

However..it has some serious quirks.

It insists on you saving the library all the time. Select a patch and you have to save the library. Even if you have the programme open for a short while you have to save the lbrary.

If you forget it's likely to crash your project.

There are issues on some DAWs and OS's over and above that one.
I haven't used it for quite some time and then only with samplitude, but the library saving rings a bell (changing midi sounds amongst midi channels was a little bit old school)
But as crashing goes i can't recall it being more problematic than other vst's.

I just did a clean windows 8.1 install, so i might try it out again and see.

I do remember it sounded very nice (minus the dated library that is), probably better than kontakt, which was either because of the filters or because of the number of layers available in a patch.

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Post by chamomileshark » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:02 am

if you forget it throws a message out as you close and that then gets it stuck.
others have had the same issue.

as you say, it sounds nice though.
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Post by PeterHanes » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:42 pm

Just a +1 from me on the UltraProteus as a deep unit for exploration, if not at all user-friendly by 21st century standards.

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Post by a.d.a.m.baby » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:36 am

PeterHanes wrote:... if not at all user-friendly by 21st century standards.
That's an understatement. I've been wrestling with mine for many years, always tempted by those filters and the comprehensive mod matrix, but it's so frustrating!
It's clunky sys-ex makes it hit and miss using Sounddiver or Galaxy.
I programmed some editing panels into my PC1600 fader box, but really, that's as much a randomizer than anything.
Occasionally you get a glimmer of it's potential, but until someone writes a bullet-proof software editor with clear graphics, that potential will not be reached.
I would love to know what the designers expected musicians to get out of this thing, other than as just a preset player.

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Post by chamomileshark » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:09 am

I think it was a bit of a proof of concept that escaped - wasn't it the first z plane filter thing and they created a new filter chip that then got reused elsewhere?
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Post by peripatitis » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:29 am

Using them as a preset machine would be a waste of space really.
The most interesting aspect of them now is probably making some distinct textures with nice movement, panning, perhaps scanning the whole library and weird percussion.
Acoustic instruments are arcane and the filters don't sound nice for 'analogue' stuff. Effects suck as always with emu...

On the other hand it is true, programming them from the machine itself, especially in 2015 is slow death. Better spend that time to learn max.

I sold mine when i got in to the modular. Since i had a lot of work done on those machines (many user presets) i tried to work with them again, giving them a last chance. Couldn't do it anymore.


It is not a difficult synth to get your head around, perhaps the 'hardest' concept is the function generators loop's and jumps.

But try to select amongst 300 different filters for your preset, using that screen and that dial. Also some filters have more parameters than others, and what these control also changes by filter. Sometimes one parameter can be the resonance in other filters it's the bwth etc, etc

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Post by Ranxerox » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:52 am

a.d.a.m.baby wrote: I would love to know what the designers expected musicians to get out of this thing, other than as just a preset player.
Jeez don't be a wuss, it's not that bad. Have you ever tried programming a Wavestation SR or a Yamaha FS1R from the front panel? The Morpheus is a doddle by comparison, in fact E-mu did a better job than most making their rack modules easy to use. You do need to RTFM, but once you have it's pretty easy to get around.

I've never found the Soundiver Morpheus editor particularly unstable. I'm on v3.0 which is generally pretty crashy, but no more so when editing the Morpheus than with any of my other synths.

The Z-plane filter concept was deployed in a lot of subsequent E-mu products, but the Morpheus and Ultra-Proteus had a lot more filter models than any that came after.

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Post by chamomileshark » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:26 am

there's an editor called "morphedit" that still works on Windows 7. Sometimes I find that things don't always update so well when you make changes in the editor but it's not too bad.
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Post by Ranxerox » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:12 pm

Yeah, there's a few shit bugs in Soundiver as well, for quite a few of the adaptations- mis-mapped controls and phantom parameters. No chance of those ever being fixed :omg:

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Post by budz » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:43 pm

chamomileshark wrote:You can still get Emulator X3, legit, new and cheap.

There is some support from the vendors.

However..it has some serious quirks.

It insists on you saving the library all the time. Select a patch and you have to save the library. Even if you have the programme open for a short while you have to save the lbrary.

If you forget it's likely to crash your project.

There are issues on some DAWs and OS's over and above that one.
Strangely I don't see anything like this although I didn't install any of the library - I use it only for my own sounds. You do need to explicitly save the current bank if you make any changes - the bank isn't saved as part of the project itself (at least in Bidule where I use it) - only a reference to the files on disk.

I really like it, it sounds great and made me feel a lot better about selling my 6400 Ultra.

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Post by rockreid » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:04 pm

I don't know why Creative (and what's left if anything of E-Mu) doesn't introduce a stand-alone FX box or Euro module of all 288 of the UltraProteus Z plane filters and call it a day.

It would sell very well I think. They don't seem to have any plans for anything E-mu related anymore so why not make some $$$ money offering the most intersting thing to come from the old rack units?

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Post by a.d.a.m.baby » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:13 pm

Ranxerox wrote:Jeez don't be a wuss, it's not that bad. Have you ever tried programming a Wavestation SR or a Yamaha FS1R from the front panel? The Morpheus is a doddle by comparison....
Ranxerox you must be a patient and focussed programmer.
This type of programming has been described as "painting the entrance hall through the letterbox"!
These are not the synths you turn to in the studio when you have someone breathing over your shoulder saying "We need a sound that goes "wwrrrrzzzxxxx'".

If you have any original morpheus patches you can share I'd love to hear them.

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Post by Ranxerox » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:05 am

a.d.a.m.baby wrote: If you have any original morpheus patches you can share I'd love to hear them.
I will rise to that challenge next time I am in my studio...

Programming digital synths for me is kind of like zen meditation, so I try to avoid situations where I have any idiots in the room to distract me with their burbling requests. :bang:

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Post by Ranxerox » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:14 pm

Ok, as promised - here are some sounds I made on my Morpheus. Recorded dry - no effects, EQ, or compression used.

http://endocrinesolution.net/EmuMorphDem.htm

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Post by GovernorSilver » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:00 pm

Ranxerox wrote:Ok, as promised - here are some sounds I made on my Morpheus. Recorded dry - no effects, EQ, or compression used.

http://endocrinesolution.net/EmuMorphDem.htm
Nice sounds!

I know it's not the same but I'm inspired to dig into my Emu XL-7 - after I get it repaired.

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Post by a.d.a.m.baby » Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:57 pm

Fantastic pads - great stereo movement. Nice work.

Coming late to the party, I've just found the sysex files for the Ultraproteus ROM cards online, and there are some really inspiring and useful sounds in there. I'm dusting off OS9 and Galaxy to have a closer look.

Ranxerox, let us know if you make any of your voices sysex files available (although I haven't had much luck transferring Morpheus sounds to the UP in the past as I recall).

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Post by de_raaf » Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:41 pm

having it for 2 weeks, i like it a lot, lot of strange stuff with the more rompler soundbank, looping etc i don't think editing from the front is bad at all, just intensive to do, but that has it charm i think
though on mine the main output and headphone output only work half when i got it and now does nothing, luckily the subs still work
pretty unique sounding or possibilities a lot to do with that it has a rompler soundback, quite like to use one with a sax sound thing, weird jazz soundtracky vibes etc

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Post by budz » Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:38 pm

Ranxerox wrote:Ok, as promised - here are some sounds I made on my Morpheus. Recorded dry - no effects, EQ, or compression used.

http://endocrinesolution.net/EmuMorphDem.htm
very nice :tu:

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