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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by msboude » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:18 pm

Synthacon wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:07 pm
Any hate for people like Synthwerk, MOS-Lab, COTK, Aion, AJH etc?

Just saying :doh:
Not really.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Synthacon » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:22 pm

msboude wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:18 pm
Synthacon wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:07 pm
Any hate for people like Synthwerk, MOS-Lab, COTK, Aion, AJH etc?

Just saying :doh:
Not really.
That's the thing, Behringer are the devil, the other guys not for doing the same thing.
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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by mgscheue » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:27 pm

Synthacon wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:22 pm
That's the thing, Behringer are the devil, the other guys not for doing the same thing.
“Doing the same thing” as in a huge corporation leading a race to the bottom?

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Zymos » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:28 pm

AJH is a small company, run by a really nice guy, who build their modules in the UK. So not really much like Behringer at all.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Synthacon » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:32 pm

Cloning old synths, it's just pointless looking at it any other way.

Price points are all that separate the different manufactures.

The watch thing from above is a perfect example, as are cars etc.

Aion have just released a 3000 Euro System 15 in eurorack, I saw no issues from anyone regards ripping off Moog or cheapening anything. The cost is a third of a "new" System 15.

Behringer will be probably a grand for a System 15, if that fits people's pockets then great, as has been mentioned it wont take any sales from Moog as if you can afford a genuine new or vintage systems you will buy that.
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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by EPTC » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:36 pm

We can remain civil about Behringer and still be honest about history. Shouldn't pretend it doesn't affect a small ecosystem of electronics companies.

Bob Moog himself had to sell its company to Norlin, etc etc. We've definitely lived through a few lifecycles of Moog being healthy and nearly gone, more than once. It's not irresponsible to consider this fragile possibility in a conversation of a very clear aggressive swipe, especially if the reaction is you finally being able to have a Moog sound.

And absolutely, no, this is not similar to Syth Werk. They make about fifty units a year, maybe.
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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Synthacon » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:39 pm

Zymos wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:28 pm
AJH is a small company, run by a really nice guy, who build their modules in the UK. So not really much like Behringer at all.
I had lunch with Alan a few months ago. Yep really nice guy.

I didn't realise how nice someone is or where something is made really matters to so many people. There are certainly companies run by people who are idiots but are revered by many others. The location of manufactor is odd as well since most people own gadgets or clothes made in awful Asian factories by staff who are paid poorly etc.

All rather personal at the end of the day.
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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by EPTC » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:39 pm

Synthacon wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:07 pm
Any hate for people like Synthwerk, MOS-Lab, COTK, Aion, AJH etc?

Just saying :doh:
It's funny that you're smacking your head here in confusion.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by glassofwater » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:40 pm

starthief wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:03 pm
Some people buy Rolex watches. Others buy Casio watches. They both tell time.

The Rolex buyer knows why they're paying so much, and that this isn't just "what watches should cost".
The Casio buyer knows why they're paying so little, and they're okay with this.

Rolex probably never lost a sale to Casio.

(Kind of an old metaphor since most people probably just use their cellphones to tell time now, but still valid)
eh, the analogy here would be rolex vs. rolex knock-offs. comparing rolex to casio is like comparing moog to arturia (or something), different prices but also different products entirely.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by bemushroomed » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:46 pm

Zymos wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:28 pm
AJH is a small company, run by a really nice guy, who build their modules in the UK. So not really much like Behringer at all.
Who cares though? It's better just because it's a smaller company? Studio Electronics are pretty big nowadays, they've done clones since day 1 and they're still at it. Where's the hating?

If you want to hate, start hating on Roland for not embracing analog sound instead, they're a big company, they should have done what Behringer did 10-20 years ago, but they didn't care and many other manufacturers stepped in to meet the public demand of analog TB-303's etc, now Behringer wants in too and can make it even cheaper, bohohooho.. cry me a river that you have to pay less and because its a big company.

I've also never seen the owner of Roland or other big companies in the forums, talking the the customers, asking them what they want, changing stuff when people arent glad about something.. that's how you do it.
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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Zymos » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:50 pm

Must be really tiring being a Behringer defender....

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by bemushroomed » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:51 pm

Zymos wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:50 pm
Must be really tiring being a Behringer defender....
Because of all the Wins? not really.

Must be more tiring to hate for no reason.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by nectarios » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:52 pm

All them film score pros and rich hobbyists, must be in a huge dillema now. They might even lose some sleep deciding if they should throw 10s of thousands on a Moog...or a grand on the Boog.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by bemushroomed » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:55 pm

nectarios wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:52 pm
All them film score pros and rich hobbyists, must be in a huge dillema now. They might even lose some sleep deciding if they should throw 10s of thousands on a Moog...or a grand on the Boog.
Tones of rich and angry Champagne Co**ies around.. Who no longer feels SpEcIaL.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Man-In-A-Suitcase » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:56 pm

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by blw » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:01 pm

Fallingman wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:44 pm
Yes!!!! These will be back ordered forever I bet. But I’m in!
Never! Behringer will heroically shell out those 78 cents/hour wages to fund as many 20 hour workdays as it takes to build your new modular.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Funky40 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:04 pm

.......missed chances for some.
now others step in.
fun fact.


and now it was Behringer.
which might cause a change on the market.
I´m quite convinced it will do. Directly and anyway over the course of several years.


and even worser versus the secondhand prices.........
Its how it is.
pros and cons.........


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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Bob Borries » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:27 pm

Zymos wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:28 pm
AJH is a small company, run by a really nice guy, who build their modules in the UK. So not really much like Behringer at all.
AJH doesn't make these System 55 modules. AJH modules are very good sounding modules that get you that MINIMOOG sound, a lot of engineering and calibration by hand is spent to give you that sound. Behringer modules are mass produced that's why there's a big difference in sound quality. But... I'm still buying Behringer's System 55 because i don't have $35,000 to buy a real one from Moog.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by bagoly » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:34 pm

bemushroomed wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:46 pm
I've also never seen the owner of Roland or other big companies in the forums, talking the the customers, asking them what they want, changing stuff when people arent glad about something.. that's how you do it.
I've also never seen the owner of Roland or other big companies in the forums, filing lawsuits against users.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by thispoison » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:43 pm

Isn't there a thread for this?
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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by peripatitis » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:58 pm

thispoison wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:43 pm
Isn't there a thread for this?
every thread is a thread for this.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by starthief » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:01 pm

thispoison wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:43 pm
Isn't there a thread for this?
Behringer threads are the new "analog vs digital" / "Mac vs PC."

(And by "new", I mean rehashed almost nonstop for at least a couple of years.)

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by TheDegenerateElite » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:36 pm

blw wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:25 pm
Yes, using s-trig seems absurd. I’d love to have been a fly on the wall for the meeting where they made that decision. Do they think people are going to buy these to expand their vintage Moog’s or something? Or they were just too lazy to bother making them compatible either other modules?
If there isn't a modern re-issue for Behr to reverse engineer, then they just go off the originals and schematics. There's no design work to be done for them.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by oldenjon » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:57 pm

starthief wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:03 pm
Some people buy Rolex watches. Others buy Casio watches. They both tell time.

The Rolex buyer knows why they're paying so much, and that this isn't just "what watches should cost".
The Casio buyer knows why they're paying so little, and they're okay with this.

Rolex probably never lost a sale to Casio.

(Kind of an old metaphor since most people probably just use their cellphones to tell time now, but still valid)
Terrible analogy.
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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by 2disbetter » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:18 pm

oldenjon wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:57 pm
starthief wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:03 pm

(Kind of an old metaphor since most people probably just use their cellphones to tell time now, but still valid)
Terrible analogy.
Care to contribute anything else to the discussion?

Behringer isn't the Robin Hood of synthesizers. I think they capitalize on how entitled and selfish people are. You see people see value only based on what something costs. If something took someone 100 hours to make but only sells for $2 that time spent making it means nothing more than $2 to these people.

You see, like I said, Behringer is not evil. However, they could just make their own products, and not blatantly copy other designs and this conversation would be very different.

The Craze, for example, is a pretty cool synth.

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