SH-1 vs SH-101

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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by anselmi » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:31 pm

m:o wrote:Interesting Anselmi. Is your technician ablte to do this again?
I have great interest in this an live in Germany. Would you mind making contact between the tech and me?
sure
he´s engineer Hernan Baldi, from Buenos Aires, Argentina

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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by m:o » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:09 am

anselmi wrote:
m:o wrote:Interesting Anselmi. Is your technician ablte to do this again?
I have great interest in this an live in Germany. Would you mind making contact between the tech and me?
sure
he´s engineer Hernan Baldi, from Buenos Aires, Argentina

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thanks, sadly i wont ship my 101 to argentina.
Will contact him about the schematics

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Post by Nils » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:47 am

anselmi wrote: Hi Nils! how do you doing?
All good, thanks :) And you?
anselmi wrote:and yes, the SH-2 is the one of the family that I´d like to add...it´s not expensive but it´s heavy enough to be a deal breaker because of the shipping costs and customs taxes here
Yeah, I know all about it, huge taxes here as well.
The SH-2 just feels like a coherent instrument. The second VCO does make it a little richer sounding, but the main point for me is that you get more complex tones by mixing the VCOs and sub. It's also got a sine wave on one of the VCOs.
anselmi wrote: a couple months ago I tried a SH-1000, that is a synth that I never care of before...and the filter catched my ears...here says that it´s a diode ladder one, similar (in description at least) to the SH-5...so maybe this new Roland module (the 505) could be an more interesting add on than a whole synth
I did own an SH-1000 a few years back, and liked its sound a lot. I think the SH-5 sounds similar, though I've never had them side by side so I haven't been able to compare.

To my ears, the SH-5, SH-1000 and System-100 belong to the same tonal "family", whereas the SH-09/1/2/7 / System-100M /GR-500 belong to a different family.

The 505 sounds like a good choice if it's based on the SH-5 filter.

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Post by Xisylop » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:23 pm

My vote is also for the SH-2, such a great tone with the two vcos (+sub), a richness and fullness I never got with my Sh-101.

I wouldn't get another single osc synth to go with the 101, the SH-2 isn't too expensive, it's well built, looks great and does stuff to rival the Minimoog (was called the Japanese Minimoog).

The 101 is great for other things especially fast blippy squelchy sequences but the older tone is better served with two oscs and all the variety of waveforms and combinations that brings.

Also it's built way better than the 101. Except the keys are quieter and nicer on the 101 (same keys as jx3p and Juno 106 etc)

To me that second VCO in the SH-2 is the difference between a good synth and a great synth. I sold all my single osc vintage monos as the sh2 destroyed them and as said above felt like a complete instrument, something you could use forever that's packing some real vintage horsepower in a beautifully controlled machine!

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Post by anomie » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:02 am

dubonaire wrote:
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anomie wrote: Smart point. Love the 101, but it's a one trick pony
really? well...mine can do far more than just 1 trick! even without the mods

I use it a lot for arpeggios, bass lines, leads, fx, percussion, acid stuff, leads, even multitracked pads, just because this sound fits so well in most mixes

with the mods it´s another beast...still Roland but more modern and angry
Yes I agree. I don't think it's a one-trick pony at all.
I hear ya - my point is more that the 101 is a very characteristic 1-osc Roland sound, and getting the SH-1 isn't going to broaden your palette much. Admittedly it's a long time since I've heard them side by side, but they sounded pretty similar to me, and I'm curious about the other folks on this thread who hear them being quite different. :hmm:

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Post by Nils » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:07 am

anomie wrote:I hear ya - my point is more that the 101 is a very characteristic 1-osc Roland sound, and getting the SH-1 isn't going to broaden your palette much. Admittedly it's a long time since I've heard them side by side, but they sounded pretty similar to me, and I'm curious about the other folks on this thread who hear them being quite different. :hmm:
In a wider perspective you are totally right. The're conceptually very similar and you mostly get the same range of sounds out of them. My comment was in a "when comparing single oscillator vintage Roland monos" context , in other words a fairly narrow perspective :hihi:

I also have to admit that I haven't spent much time with a 101 - more so on a Juno 106 which has the same filter. I just found the 101 filter quite different from the 09/1/2/7 family the few times I've played it.

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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by Sweetfiltersweep » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:33 am

The SH-1000 can make nice 303-like sounds:


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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by 3hands » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:56 am

I have an SH3a with the ladder filter (not the diode filter), and it can sound very Roland but also can get some Moogish “woody” qualities out of it due obviously to the filter. I’ve had mine modded with CV and Gate and it does all sorts of fun stuff within my music.
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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by Sir Ruff » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:06 pm

It's pretty interesting that while the oscillators and filters changed throughout the lineage, Roland retained pretty much the exact same sound from SH-1000 up to the Juno-106.
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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by grey_costume » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:49 pm

:miley: 101 :ponytail:

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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by anselmi » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:46 pm

Sweetfiltersweep wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:33 am
The SH-1000 can make nice 303-like sounds:

thanks for the re-animated thread :hihi:

By the way, after moving from the SH-1 idea (and keeping 101 with no regrets) I started watching SH-1000 videos and really liked its tone.
And I love non-303 synths doing acid lines, so your video just making me want it even more. :love:

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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by Scories » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:04 pm

Off-topic : If anybody out there want a modified SH-1000 (w. cv/gate/filter-in inputs), just PM me.
Though you'll have to get it fixed...

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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by Tajnost » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:32 am

Sh2 is killer... still regret selling it a bit. Massive baseline monster. But it’s a bit less “elastic” sounding than 101, more 70s archaic big electronic sound, so it depends on personal requirements and taste. Sh1, well... I would hold horses and investigate more. There are so many SH type of machines.

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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by Sir Ruff » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:53 am

Tajnost wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:32 am
Sh2 is killer... still regret selling it a bit. Massive baseline monster. But it’s a bit less “elastic” sounding than 101, more 70s archaic big electronic sound, so it depends on personal requirements and taste. Sh1, well... I would hold horses and investigate more. There are so many SH type of machines.
They basically sound the same, but the SH-09/2 loses a lot more bass than the 101 with increased resonance--this gives it that rubbery quality.

I felt the core 1 sound was pretty much the same as the 09/2, but has a slightly more aggressive filter. I have also found that both of the ones I tried had AWFUL sliders--totally stuck and jumpy. Definitely ask about that aspect if you are looking into one.

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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by Tajnost » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:59 am

And just in case... Being a great SH-sound lover, now I would go for this instead of vintage. The only question is when it's available...


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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by anselmi » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:20 pm

Tajnost wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:59 am
And just in case... Being a great SH-sound lover, now I would go for this instead of vintage. The only question is when it's available...

really?
why?
the original 101 is very reliable, simple to service and I never had a problem with it in 5 years of use... :despair:

this thing is OK, but I don´t see a reason to choose it over the original at the price they said it will be

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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by Tajnost » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:40 pm

Well - size, style, features ( a lot of good things in sequencer area ), form factor, more years without need to service.

And honestly, I like its sound more than original, played with it a bit on SB2019, it emulates the 101 really well but at the same time everything is juat a bit more tight, adjusted and refined.

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Re: SH-1 vs SH-101

Post by Tajnost » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:47 pm

Don't get me wrong, of course having super modded 101 in a perfect shape is amazing. Killer tool. But after owning some vintage synths for 20 - 25 years, I've started to get tired of the old character.

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