Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by purpur » Tue May 12, 2020 10:55 am

It's up on Moog website, also a bunch of new demos were just posted on youtube, loopop included

https://www.moogmusic.com/news/introduc ... harmonicon

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Post by gelabs » Tue May 12, 2020 11:18 am

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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by CursedFrogurt » Tue May 12, 2020 12:34 pm

I'm really excited about this, BUT . . .

Is it just me, or is it really disappointing that the production version dropped individual CV over each oscillator's subs? It looks like there's a single CV for each pair of subs (it appears that the extra spots were taken by CV PWM for each osc).

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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by Licudi » Tue May 12, 2020 12:58 pm

It's £856.00 at DV247 aka MusicStore. Meanwhile Perfect Circuit in the USA is selling at $630 or £512.00.

May I be the first to say fuck that.

https://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/Moog-Su ... 00RIEKa9-G

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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by anselmi » Tue May 12, 2020 1:01 pm

Honestly, all demos sounds like a drunk Wendy Carlos playing the intro music of "El Chavo del 8"...(espero que otros latinos estén leyendo esto así se ríen :hihi: )
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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by Licudi » Tue May 12, 2020 1:07 pm

Hmmm, the first serious review up (in full) at SOS:

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/moog-subharmonicon

It says UK SRP is £739 including VAT so some might say DV247 is doing some serious price gouging.

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Post by werock » Tue May 12, 2020 1:12 pm

Price gouging would be the least of DV247's shady practices.

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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by Voltcontrol » Tue May 12, 2020 1:20 pm

Voltcontrol wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 9:31 am
I've quickly looked back at Moogs early workbench demo's prior to the workshop, that got me excited about this device. Still hoping for demo's that will do it justice. My enthusiasm for the Subharmonicon is starting to sink.
After watching some more material; This is truly a device that either fits with the musician playing it or completely doesn't. The ones that gel with it well have restored here big time.
Now let's hope they don't sell well and Moog drops the price to a more sane level soon.
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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by kinkycables » Tue May 12, 2020 1:21 pm

Licudi wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 12:58 pm
Perfect Circuit in the USA is selling at $630
You mean with the discount? If so, they seem to be one of the few honoring such policies - Prymaxe and Alto certainly are not.

Still think Behringer should've gotten in on what's obviously pent up demand. If nothing else, at least their version would've come with a power switch :bang:

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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by Licudi » Tue May 12, 2020 1:25 pm

Yeah, Perfect price is with the 10% discount. Rubadub has it in stock at £739:

https://www.rubadub.co.uk/moog-subharmo ... ynthesizer

Same price at Signal. GAK. Gear4music. Even GuitarGuitar.

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Post by davidjames » Tue May 12, 2020 2:04 pm

PC aren't honoring the spring10 code. Unless you have a double secret probation code?
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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by Licudi » Tue May 12, 2020 2:51 pm

davidjames wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:04 pm
PC aren't honoring the spring10 code. Unless you have a double secret probation code?
It was this morning. Maybe it's had it arse kicked by Moog since then.

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Post by electricfence » Tue May 12, 2020 2:53 pm

Licudi wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:51 pm
davidjames wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:04 pm
PC aren't honoring the spring10 code. Unless you have a double secret probation code?
It was this morning. Maybe it's had it arse kicked by Moog since then.
Control has it listed as in stock on their website, and they have a note that their spring sale does not apply to the Subharmonicon "due to restrictions." It'll be on sale come Christmastime, I'll wager.

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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by Licudi » Tue May 12, 2020 4:02 pm

Of all the (generally uninspiring) demos released today, I think this is the first guy who's actually grasped how to play the Subharmonicon. Both on its own and in combination with the DFAM and M-32:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=Zzy4ZVrfttc

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Post by Afturmath » Tue May 12, 2020 7:15 pm

In my opinion, the Loopop and Hainbach videos give the best demonstrations of what Subharmonicon can do.


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Post by intuitionnyc » Tue May 12, 2020 9:52 pm

I have been into electronic music and modular synths for about 15-20 years now. I play guitar and VERY rudimentary keys.

I can see how this would be a “happy accident” machine. I do think it creates really nice rich timbres and you can get very nice polyrhythms going. Great device for generative music.

For me, and this is only my opinion and what is best suited for me, it seems too pigeon-holed. I am sure it is not one dimensional but it appears that way. I would prefer a Make Noise 0-Coast and 0-Ctrl for a little more. You don’t get as many crazy oscillators going at once but to me, you get more functionality and control. I guess it is sorta apples and oranges though.

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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by anselmi » Tue May 12, 2020 10:26 pm

intuitionnyc wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 9:52 pm
I have been into electronic music and modular synths for about 15-20 years now. I play guitar and VERY rudimentary keys.

I can see how this would be a “happy accident” machine. I do think it creates really nice rich timbres and you can get very nice polyrhythms going. Great device for generative music.

For me, and this is only my opinion and what is best suited for me, it seems too pigeon-holed. I am sure it is not one dimensional but it appears that way. I would prefer a Make Noise 0-Coast and 0-Ctrl for a little more. You don’t get as many crazy oscillators going at once but to me, you get more functionality and control. I guess it is sorta apples and oranges though.
yep, I think the same
I was doing all this before, in other scenarios like eurorackm and honestly, I´m a bit tired of the generative stuff...it´s all over the place and most of the times it´s a hedonistic exercise that it´s fun and maybe make more sense just for the one doing it than for the people listening

I could see an avalanche of video jam sessions with this thing, all sounding the same bleeping syncopated, euclidean-ish arpeggios, with reverb tails of 10 seconds :roll:

Anyway, it´s cool to see this instead of another classic Moog voice...I love my DFAM to death, another example of an original product.

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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by Oktagon » Wed May 13, 2020 3:07 am

Nice jam here from mylarmelodies shows some of the possibilities. Interesting how much movement having the sequencer drive the main oscillator once and the sub oscillators twice creates.


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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by drant » Wed May 13, 2020 5:01 am

Looks like it will be €850 in europe (thomann). I like the idea of it and some of the sounds in the demo's but for that price I'll see if it still peaks my interest in like six months when the shiny new toy crew starts selling theirs on the second hand market.

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Post by gelabs » Wed May 13, 2020 5:20 am

I really would like to know what exactly justifies the 250€ difference with the DFAM and Mother-32, which are still selling at 600€. I quite like the Subharmonicon overall but I reckon the price is a bit of a stretch.
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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by Licudi » Wed May 13, 2020 6:34 am

The difference between US and overseas prices is becoming so great that - if cheap air travel ever returns - we may see a return to the days when musicians routinely took trips to the States to bring stuff back in their baggage. With external/universal PSUs voltage won't be the headache it used to be, though customs may be another matter....

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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by Xmit » Wed May 13, 2020 6:46 am

Just ordered mine - £739 UK ...happy to pay that. May see it tomorrow.... :goo:

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Re: Moogfest Sub-Harmonicon - What Is It?

Post by Licudi » Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 am

It's interesting that there is no difference in price between any of the UK retailers. So much for competition.

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