Motas-6 synth

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Motas-6 synth

Post by spoor » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:30 am

Via
http://www.matrixsynth.com/2017/10/new- ... sizer.html

http://www.motas-synth.uk/index.html

Interesting but can’t see a price. +1 for the oscilloscope

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by akairipper » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:04 am

spoor wrote:Via
http://www.matrixsynth.com/2017/10/new- ... sizer.html

http://www.motas-synth.uk/index.html

Interesting but can’t see a price. +1 for the oscilloscope
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Post by indexofmetals » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:54 pm

no more posts about this synth?

I'd never heard of it before seeing it at the Leeds Modularmeets on Saturday but after trying it out and asking Jon lots of questions I have now ordered one. I thought it sounded unbelieavable and should be so much fun to program.

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Post by neuroportal » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:34 am

I second that. Was just searching Muffs to see if anyone else had talked about this synth. It really was a piece of brilliant UI design and the sound was just awesome.

Don't think I have seen so many LFOs in one place.

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Post by slumberjack » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:34 am

...just read the specs - that is an amazing set of features. :party:
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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Petajaja » Fri May 08, 2020 8:45 am

Here's some new demos from Jon, the maker of the Motas 6:







I've got nothing to do with Motas but am really in love with this synth, The sound is very nice and there's great depth for sound design possibilities.

I've been working on getting fully to grips with this thing so I can demo it, I was thinking I'd start off making a short demo which shows off some sounds that'll give a good idea of it's basic osc / filter / env character etc but I'm not someone who'd usually do this kind of thing so anyone have anything in particular that they'd like to hear from this?
Check out my Motas-6 demos over at: https://soundcloud.com/retroreflector :love:

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by dogoftears » Fri May 08, 2020 11:30 am

wth, this looks/sounds awesome and seems very unique!!
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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Petajaja » Fri May 08, 2020 11:41 am

It is very very cool, Jon the designer is a very nice guy too, I asked if it would be possible to add microtuning and variable pattern length to the two sequencer lanes and within a month he'd done both! I've now asked him about a few other potential feature additions and he's looking into them, so you're getting a great long term investment out of this thing.

I'm sad to see this thing going mostly unnoticed as in my eyes it's one of the most innovative analog synths in recent years!
Check out my Motas-6 demos over at: https://soundcloud.com/retroreflector :love:

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by flashheart » Fri May 08, 2020 5:54 pm

Full review in last months Sound on Sound Happened to buy the paper issue as it had the matriarch review. The reviewer really liked it. I'd not seen menton of it before either.
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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Richjk7 » Sat May 09, 2020 7:19 am

This has been on my radar for some time simply because every parameter has a lfo & env. Thanks for posting some demos, there isnt that many i could find 👍

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Petajaja » Sat May 09, 2020 11:03 am

I'm happy to record some sounds if there's any particular kinds of patches you'd like to hear, was thinking I'd do some basic stuff and then show some of the more extreme stuff it can do in a separate video.

I've been a bit busy with working and moving house but I'm going to start work on recording the demos soon.
Check out my Motas-6 demos over at: https://soundcloud.com/retroreflector :love:

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by onthelees » Sat May 09, 2020 9:03 pm

Very cool! not sure how this slipped under my Radar. Would be VERY nice to see some distribution in the US. I can have it shipped but have no idea what to expect in regards to tariffs, etc.

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Post by Petajaja » Mon May 11, 2020 9:04 am

I’m working on the demo now and as I’m doing so I’m constantly blown away by the range of sounds coming out of this thing! Was messing around with filter feedback yesterday and it sounds amazing and then there’s so much you can do to shape that with it’s various gain stages and saturation / distortion options.

I’ll be sure to include a bunch of PM sounds (so much range here it’ll be hard to cover it all) and will do a range of basses / leads / pads etc…

I’ll probably do the first demo just showing the character of it’s various components (filters, osc, noise etc) as this was what made me most unsure about buying one of these in the first place; it was hard to tell what it’s basic character sounds like from the demos available at the time.

I made a couple more features requests to Jon the literally two days ago and he’s already got back to me on the first, letting me know that he’s figured it out and it’ll be in the next firmware update!

I’ll wait with mentioning the unconfirmed feature request but he’s confirmed this one:

It’s now going to be possible to set any lfo on the synth to track pitch giving the possibility of AM / FM aswell as a whole world of other audio rate effects! as expected, he said that as the lfo’s go beyond their normal Max speed, some aliasing of the lfo’s will occur especially with waves other than sine but that this in itself leads to very interesting sounds.

So anyone who was hoping for filter FM and sounds like that, it’s coming!

So far 3 / 4 of my features requests have made it onto the synth so I’m pretty confident the 4th one will make it too as Jon is a wizard!

For anyone considering the PRO 3 or anything like that, I really recommend you consider this too as I’m very happy I took the leap of faith with this thing
Check out my Motas-6 demos over at: https://soundcloud.com/retroreflector :love:

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Richjk7 » Tue May 12, 2020 6:36 am

Can all of the lfo's and env's be synched to a clock?

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Post by Petajaja » Tue May 12, 2020 7:29 am

The dedicated parameter lfo's don't sync to clock but the global ones do, this is something that could probably be requested as a feature though as he's already tweaking them so they can track pitch.

I don't know about envs syncing to clock, I'll check later today and see if there's anything like that, do you mean the looping envs syncing to clock or setting the stages to various increments such as 1/16 1/8 1/4 etc? That'd actually be pretty handy. If that's not already a possibility I'll pitch the idea to Jon, he's very interested in user feedback and loves any suggestions that can help push this synth further and further in its potential!

Edit: I thought I'd just add that all the lfo's and env's are measured in Hz / ms so it's very easy to get everything sync'd to your music, the main reason why clocking the envelopes / lfos appeals to me would be if you were modulating the tempo, your sounds would reflect that.
Check out my Motas-6 demos over at: https://soundcloud.com/retroreflector :love:

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Richjk7 » Tue May 12, 2020 7:46 pm

Is a manual online? I'd like to read it and then ask some more questions.

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Petajaja » Wed May 13, 2020 2:24 am

Yeah you can find it here: https://www.motas-synth.uk/downloads.html

I'm happy to answer any questions if I can help!
Check out my Motas-6 demos over at: https://soundcloud.com/retroreflector :love:

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Richjk7 » Wed May 13, 2020 8:06 pm

Wow there really is a lot going on in this synth 👍

One question about the parameter lfo's. Do they have the same controls as the main lfo's? Note on reset, one shot, etc.

Those shapes are pretty unique, could you do a demo of those? And is it possible to hear the overdrive?

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Petajaja » Fri May 15, 2020 4:24 am

Yeah the lfo's have the same options, so far I think the only thing the global lfo's can do that the individual ones can't is sync to clock but it's easy to do anyway with the lfo's being measured in Hz.

I'll be sure to do some demos of the strange lfo shapes, tbh I'd barely even touched them so far! I made a patch yesterday using the boing and bounce shapes (pretty sure they're forward and reverse bouncing ball) and set them to the filters with a ratio like 1hz against 1.66hz and it was so hypnotic in the patterns it was making.

And by overdrive do you mean the filter drive or the clipping options?
Check out my Motas-6 demos over at: https://soundcloud.com/retroreflector :love:

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Post by Richjk7 » Sun May 17, 2020 7:56 am

I meant both lol, i bet it can get pretty gnarly with both activated. The clipping options on the output stage are really interesting. Is there a balance or wet/dry control for the clipping? Having a parameter control over this would be cool, if thats possible.

In vector mode, would it be possible to have the Pattern Sequencer going? My guess would be that it only works in a single patch mode.

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Petajaja » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:46 am

I did a bunch of recordings last night of me tweaking some of the filter settings to try and show how flexible they are.

I mainly messed around with different resonance settings, feedback and filter drive via the mixer section, and mainly used filter 1 in 4 pole mode with 4 pole resonance, later in the recording I brought in the second filter for some dual filter sounds and also did a little filter FM towards the end.

Overall this demo probably isn't that great as it doesn't show a huge range of sounds but there's definitely a bunch of sounds / timbres I was hoping the Motas could do that I didn't hear in any of the demos prior to buying it.

Here it is:



I'm going to be doing some more demos but I've just had barely any time for music and generally when I do get a chance, I'm really eager to work on some of my own music ideas.

Next demo I'll do some pads / drones showing how textural / evolving sounds can be with all the modulation options on the Motas.
Check out my Motas-6 demos over at: https://soundcloud.com/retroreflector :love:

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by SOPiiAC » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:37 am

I for one appreciated the demo. I was just thinking about how there are no demos to show the synth doing standard synth things. I think this is important to show the building blocks of the synth. Thank you and please do more!

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Petajaja » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:34 am

Thanks, I'm happy you got something out of it, I really want people to see the greatness of thing, I feel like I've already got so much out of it and yet still have barely scratched the surface of what it has to offer.

I made one quick pattern and patch to go with it earlier showing some of the more extreme things it can do with all it's lfo's I'm using the Bounce / boing lfo on the filters, oscillator pitch, the levels of sq / saw and a whole bunch of other parameters, all the lfo speeds are set at different settings but they're all in a ratio to each other so you get some interesting rhythmic stuff going on.

The two drones at the end (they're not hugely different sounding so it might just sound like one haha) Are also very complex patches using lots of lfo's and various tricks I've learned so far with the Motas.. I love making drones on this thing!

Drones start around 2:30



I'll do some demos of some more usable sounds at some point, I've mostly filled up the patch slots on this thing and I'm very happy with some of the sounds I've got out of this thing but I just need to get around to making some patterns that do them justice.
Check out my Motas-6 demos over at: https://soundcloud.com/retroreflector :love:

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Petajaja » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:51 am

Here's a patch I made for a song I was working on yesterday, It's a single triangle wave being Phase modulated by another oscillator that is being FM'd by an audio rate LFO at 2:1 ratio, I've then used a bit of overdrive from the mixer section and a bit of feedback with 100% resonance on the filter which is being modulated by a CC sequence from my pyramid. It's cool how with the particular feedback / overdrive settings I've got on this patch you can set the filter to 100% res without it becoming a deafening scream and also that it retains its bass while the filter res is in 4-pole mode (6-pole res tends to be a better option when you don't want the res to thin out the sound)

It starts out as the basic patch and I think I randomly start tweaking some of the settings around 1:30 in



I don't know how many people actually care for these kinds of sounds but I love the noisier side of things which the Motas is amazing for with all its modulation options.

I've been trying to finish a track a day as an exercise for myself so I'll be sure to record a bit from the motas in isolation when I do.
Check out my Motas-6 demos over at: https://soundcloud.com/retroreflector :love:

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Re: Motas-6 synth

Post by Petajaja » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:52 am

Jon of Motas confirmed with me that the digital whine you hear in his demo's came from the USB of his keystep and a strange midi cable he had that was causing a grounding issue, he's since changed the cable out for a standard midi cable and the noise is now gone. I personally have been nothing but surprised at how quiet a synth this is in regards to background noise and if you ever hear any noise in my demo's it's coming from some USB noise issue with my pyramid that I'm currently trying to figure out.

So there should be another firmware update coming out soon, boy does that man work fast!

There's some improvements being made to the sequencer in regards to additional features but also some interface stuff that's definitely made it more inviting for me to start using the sequencer more, it's a very powerful modulation source so that's definitely going to be interesting.

There's also some other improvements and new features coming, one very interesting one worth highlighting is custom lfo shapes

I'm not sure on the specifics on how these custom lfo's will work and how many you'll have access to per patch but it should be something like: "able to do 4 custom LFOs per patch with 32 'vertices' in each LFO shape (i.e. points to adjust, with linear in the gaps, or steps) with 256 resolution at each vertex."

You could essentially use these custom LFO's as sequencers in themselves, I know that custom lfo's have been a powerful feature of other gear in the past (rs7000 is one that comes to mind) so I'm very interested in the potential that lies here.
Check out my Motas-6 demos over at: https://soundcloud.com/retroreflector :love:

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