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Re: Deluge sampler+synth

Post by chvad » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:07 am

I got one from the first batch a while back as well and it's been a staple for me ever since. Originally I grabbed it as a lightweight polyphonic sampler for live shows. It ended up being a fantastic "tape loop mixing manipulation tool" when combined with a Launch Control XL due to the unlimited sample times. As a creative tool... that really took off for me. Last year when we put live stuff on hiatus I found it just sitting in the studio for a bit but since then I've taken the time to organized dozens of new drum kits for it and it's been a real go-to for percussion sequencing the past 8 months or so and a midi sequencer for my other drum units and a sequencer for my modular gear as well. It's funny because the use context has change COMPLETELY and it still fits into all kinds of fantastic places and, for the most part, is used every time I sit down to work on stuff. For sure there's a few things I'd change and absolutely the interface has been burdened some by tremendous feature creep but the developers really really support it, unlike any other developer Ive ever seen, and if you commit to the workflow that make sense to you it's easy enough to remember what you need to remember to make it work fluidly. If there were a MKII with a screen of some kind I'd grab another in a second... but as it stands... what a fantastic tool.

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Re: Deluge sampler+synth

Post by spoor » Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:20 am

Bit late to the party but I’m very tempted by the Deluge.
In particular, I’m interested in sequencing the modular from one clip, whilst recording the modular’s output onto another clip. I’m assuming this is possible and that the workflow is quite straightforward - but I can’t find any demo of this (surprisingly), or anything in the manual that indicates this is possible. Does anyone use it this way?

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Post by muleskinner » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:44 am

spoor wrote:
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In particular, I’m interested in sequencing the modular from one clip, whilst recording the modular’s output onto another clip. I’m assuming this is possible and that the workflow is quite straightforward - but I can’t find any demo of this (surprisingly), or anything in the manual that indicates this is possible. Does anyone use it this way?
Yes, I have done this. And yes, it is pretty straightforward.
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Re: Deluge sampler+synth

Post by TVNoel » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:30 am

Yes this is quick and easy once you get used to the Deluge's controls (no screen, secondary functions for each button, but it's easier than it sounds).

There are different ways to do it: as a single hit, as a loop, or as a full performance. The deluge has 4 gate outputs. Gate 3 can be set to "run" and Gate 4 can be set as a clock, so it's very easy to sync with modular gear and I've never had any timing issues.

The input has some kind of auto gain control which seems comfortable with modular levels as well.

I really wish the Deluge had more audio in/out connectivity for multi-track recording, but I assume that would push the price right up. I think it is superb value considering everything it can do.

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Post by spoor » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:15 am

OK - thanks both.

Hopefully they won’t release a Deluge 2 with multi i/o just after I pull the trigger...

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Post by MoyaMoya » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:02 am

I have the exact same fear!
Pull the trigger and then a week later they'll announce an MKII :doh:

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Post by muleskinner » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:07 am

I don't think a MKII is likely to be imminent, personally. There's only two of them and Rohan (the guy behind the actual hardware and software) seems to be putting all his effort into supporting the existing unit with a fairly rapid stream of awesome firmware updates.

It's ironic that the two best-supported pieces of gear I've every owned (Deluge and Axe-FX) are made by two of the smallest manufacturers.
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Post by MoyaMoya » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:47 am

Good point! I will say I have only heard good things about the deluge.
That's saying a lot
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Post by chvad » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:18 am

Agreed. I think Rohin will still develop this for a good bit longer.

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Re: Deluge sampler+synth

Post by carbonhazard » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:27 am

How does this compare to a Digitakt or an Octatrack? I've been happy with both, but GAS is rearing its ugly head and I kinda feel like I don't need a Digitakt really since I mostly just use it as a midi controller and sequencer for external gear.

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Re: Deluge sampler+synth

Post by dreamrobe » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:07 pm

carbonhazard wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:27 am
How does this compare to a Digitakt or an Octatrack? I've been happy with both, but GAS is rearing its ugly head and I kinda feel like I don't need a Digitakt really since I mostly just use it as a midi controller and sequencer for external gear.
Chances are you will use the Deluge same as the Octatrack for something here and there. It does a little bit of everything but excels at nothing.
It a great device for someone who does not have any other gear and wants to do everything with one little box.
But I have many different little devices that are specialists and so the Deluge became redundant and sold it.
It takes dedication to learn it fully or you could use it just some things and not use its full potential.
I would take a look at a Deluge 2 again in 10 years but probably would not buy it because I already have everything I need.

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Re: Deluge sampler+synth

Post by Nelson Baboon » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:13 pm

dreamrobe wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:07 pm
carbonhazard wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:27 am
How does this compare to a Digitakt or an Octatrack? I've been happy with both, but GAS is rearing its ugly head and I kinda feel like I don't need a Digitakt really since I mostly just use it as a midi controller and sequencer for external gear.
Chances are you will use the Deluge same as the Octatrack for something here and there. It does a little bit of everything but excels at nothing.
It a great device for someone who does not have any other gear and wants to do everything with one little box.
But I have many different little devices that are specialists and so the Deluge became redundant and sold it.
It takes dedication to learn it fully or you could use it just some things and not use its full potential.
I would take a look at a Deluge 2 again in 10 years but probably would not buy it because I already have everything I need.
my, my. I bought a Deluge again because I sold it during a down period, and have fond memories of it. Curious that you break down categories, or feel the need to, so you can say that it excels at nothing. I was quite stimulated, for instance, by the ability to move the tempo in such a wide range - i'm not sure that there has ever been a digital instrument that could bring the tempo well into the thousands....

and also curious that you feel that it's "for someone who does not have any other gear and wants to do everything with one little box". First of all, it's not THAT little. Second of all, I have a fair amount of gear.

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Post by chvad » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:31 pm

"It does a little bit of everything but excels at nothing."

I disagree here. I think the sequencer is fantastic. The fastest one I've ever worked with and pretty comprehensive. The fact that it's good at sequencing cv, midi and it's own internal stuff all at once is also pretty great. Also... as a polyphonic hardware sampler is checks every box I need without being overly convoluted. Anyway... I think the perception of what something does and doesn't excel at is pretty subjective.

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Re: Deluge sampler+synth

Post by 22tape » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:26 pm

For me, it's an instant classic because it's the first and only hardware groovebox to have unlimited tracks, no RAM limitation/SD streaming, song mode, effect tails that don't get cut when changing patterns, and automation recording and parameter locks, all of which gives me the ability to complete not only full songs without limitations, but complete albums. All of the other features, which is a lot, is icing on the cake for me. And I also specifically bought it because it isn't screen-driven. Learn the shortcuts like the back of your hand, and you're flying.

Not to mention that its support and development is literally second to none, in my experience.

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Re: Deluge sampler+synth

Post by rens » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:45 pm

I love that i can carry it anywhere and use it and nothing else, but then plug it in and control all my hardware. And I like the piano roll paradigm more than the xox+decay paradigm.

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Post by 22tape » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:53 pm

rens wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:45 pm
I love that i can carry it anywhere and use it and nothing else, but then plug it in and control all my hardware. And I like the piano roll paradigm more than the xox+decay paradigm.
Absolutely, I forgot to mention battery powered!

I often sample/capture experiments from my baby modular directly into the Deluge, throw it in my backpack, roll a joint, pick up a coffee and head to a hill at a nearby park and compose and arrange full songs without being tethered to a power source :love:

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Post by muleskinner » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:13 am

dreamrobe wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:07 pm
Chances are you will use the Deluge same as the Octatrack for something here and there. It does a little bit of everything but excels at nothing.
It a great device for someone who does not have any other gear and wants to do everything with one little box.
I completely disagree with this statement.

I think it excels as a hardware sequencer, particularly for melodic work. Yes, it might lack some of the fancier 'midi fx' type features of the Pyramid et al but the 'song' arranger, unlimited track length and track count, and general ease of use more than make up for this IMO. I have a significant amount of other gear and the Deluge is invariably the 'brains' of any patch. It replaced a Maschine Studio in my setup and I prefer working with the Deluge by a country mile.

It's not the best sampler and/or synth in the world but it's extremely capable in both departments. Also a very good looper.

The other area in which I think it excels, as others have alluded to, is as a general 'scratchpad' for ideas. The fact the one can easily record from external hardware, then bugger off literally anywhere and work on a track before returning to the studio to finish things off is a godsend.

The only thing I think is a bit 'meh' about it are the effects.
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Re: Deluge sampler+synth

Post by spoor » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:11 am

22tape wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:53 pm
rens wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:45 pm
I love that i can carry it anywhere and use it and nothing else, but then plug it in and control all my hardware. And I like the piano roll paradigm more than the xox+decay paradigm.
Absolutely, I forgot to mention battery powered!

I often sample/capture experiments from my baby modular directly into the Deluge, throw it in my backpack, roll a joint, pick up a coffee and head to a hill at a nearby park and compose and arrange full songs without being tethered to a power source :love:
OK - that was pretty much what I had in mind... ordered!

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Re: Deluge sampler+synth

Post by 22tape » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:53 pm

spoor wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:11 am
22tape wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:53 pm
rens wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:45 pm
I love that i can carry it anywhere and use it and nothing else, but then plug it in and control all my hardware. And I like the piano roll paradigm more than the xox+decay paradigm.
Absolutely, I forgot to mention battery powered!

I often sample/capture experiments from my baby modular directly into the Deluge, throw it in my backpack, roll a joint, pick up a coffee and head to a hill at a nearby park and compose and arrange full songs without being tethered to a power source :love:
OK - that was pretty much what I had in mind... ordered!
Nice, enjoy! :tu:

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Post by scottmoon » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:14 pm

I kind of miss the one I had. My only complaints were no velocity recognition on the the pads (or aftertouch) and only Mono sampling (mono in).
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Post by 22tape » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:55 pm

I think it was 3.0 that added stereo recording. Page 170 in the manual--

https://synthstrom-audible-deluge.s3.us ... ok-3p1.pdf

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Post by CursedFrogurt » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:54 am

You know, I ignored this thing for years not realizing it might be the hardware sequencer/groovebox I've always wanted. I've never gelled with boxes that do everything in fixed length patterns (well, max-length patterns anyway). Anyway, I caved to GAS and have one on the way!

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Post by muleskinner » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:08 pm

scottmoon wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:14 pm
I kind of miss the one I had. My only complaints were no velocity recognition on the the pads (or aftertouch) and only Mono sampling (mono in).
Er, it can sample and record in stereo just fine! Did you read the manual? 😂
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Post by scottmoon » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:01 pm

muleskinner wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:08 pm
scottmoon wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:14 pm
I kind of miss the one I had. My only complaints were no velocity recognition on the the pads (or aftertouch) and only Mono sampling (mono in).
Er, it can sample and record in stereo just fine! Did you read the manual? 😂
I think I had an earlier version of firmware where that hadn't been incorporated yet.
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