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Post by 50quidsoundboy » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:29 am

guys you know this thing is fully Eurorack compatible right? i don't understand why you're all so keen to take breadknives to it to make it fit into a 3U rack, given that a huge part of the appeal of this thing is that it's insanely portable.

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Post by raised eyebrows » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:31 pm

machetemirage wrote:
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machetemirage wrote:Can anybody confirm the MIDI B CV out sending V/Oct? Tried it with my MS20 VCO1/2 input and could barely get an octave of tuning :help:
Hmm, the MS20 is not V/oct but V/Hertz, right???
Yeah, you're not going to get tracking on an MS-20 straight out of a V/oct CV output. There are some tricks you can do to get it without a straight converter, (forgot where, but it was in a thread here) but you need to convert it. The polarity of the gate is reversed as well.
Damn I worded that wrong. I tried the 0coast cv out in the -5V/+5V TOTAL and -5V/+5VPitch patch points, which should track V/oct with some tweaking. It didnt work, and I have no other V/Oct synths to test with.

I was planning to use the 0coast as a simple MIDI>CV for a makenoise skiff....
Yeah, I'm having issues getting Midi B's cv out to work as advertised too. (I'm actually doing the same thing, was hoping to use the 0 coast w/ a makenoise skiff too.) Triple checked the settings in the manual to make sure I'd followed instructions properly, but no dice. Can get the MIDI B gate out to send out a gate on note on from my keyboard, but the tracking from the cv is not happening. Tried it with a tides (in osc mode) and just plugging it into the v/oct for the 0 coast's own oscillator, and the pitch was super high and not tracking even close to accurately. Anyone had any luck getting this feature to work on theirs? Was hoping to use it as a MIDI-cv interface w other oscs, but obviously this throws a wrench in the works. Am writing Make Noise to see if they can help out.

Oh and I should say that aside from this minor issue, the O coast is just a completely amazing, brilliantly laid out and intuitive instrument and I adore it. (dont wanna sound like too much of a crank here) ;)

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Post by jido_genshi » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:23 pm

Had to share this with you all... just received the Retro Mechanical Labs "Electron Fuzz Custom" pedal, and paired up with the Make Noise 0-Coast really makes for a killer combination! This was 5 minutes after unboxing the Electron Fuzz... the second part is the best to me, at around the 2:43 mark.

[video][/video]

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Post by robot909 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:26 pm

OK, After months of speculation...

Finally received my unit.

Had to try it.

Fits and works off euro power. (with slight soldering) The main board runs on 12v anyways via a KA78R12 voltage regulator.



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Post by TheDegenerateElite » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:30 pm

jido_genshi wrote:
BTByrd wrote:Would someone with a scope please describe the behavior of the Overtones circuit? Or better yet, post a video!
Oh, ok...

[video][/video]
Cool video. Thank you.


The two downvotes on youtube...wtf? People are asses.

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Post by wiggler81929 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:36 pm

robot909 wrote:OK, After months of speculation...

Finally received my unit.

Had to try it.

Fits and works off euro power. (with slight soldering) The main board runs on 12v anyways via a KA78R12 voltage regulator.
Thank you so much! This is amazing.

First, how wide is the unit now that it's removed from the outer shell? (With its shell, it's 45HP. Wondering if it's down to 42HP without.)

Second, how are you powering it, and what sort of soldering did you have to do?

I've been looking at assembling a 0-coast-like system using existing MN modules, but at much greater expense. If I could get another FRAP half-case at 42HP and shove this thing inside it somehow...would save a ton of money, and I wouldn't have to worry about matching its capabilities with other modules.

Thanks again for your report and the look inside!

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Post by robot909 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:11 am

It is 222.6 mm so roughly almost 44HP

http://www.doepfer.de/a100_man/a100m_e.htm

Power is fairly simple, find + and Ground voltage points by the barrel plug, modify a euro rack cable and solder up. Alternatively, you could get a plug for the power jack and modify that to connect with euro power bus.

Power is still tentative as I'm sure people will chime in with new ideas.

Also, if you don't know basic electronics, don't do it and let someone else do it. Or better yet, just use the supplied AC adapter and just run the cable out through a hole in the rack or something.

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Post by Slabwax » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:15 am

I'm not trying to be snide but... If you are just put the O-Coast in a euro case by it's self why bother? It's already in a case by its self. Now if you you were going to pop it in a 84 or 104 case with other euro modules i'd completely understand and I would not be questioning you at all. But this plan makes absolutely no sense to me. Sorry

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Post by bartleby » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:20 am

received mine yesterday evening from rubdadub.co.uk (thanks once more to 50quidsoundboy for pointing them out to me). unfortunately, all the accessories that it's supposed to ship with were missing. in the box, there was just the synth and the psu - no patch cables and no midi adapter. :(
i hope they can replace those missing parts soon.

the good news is that the psu is a multi-regional one that comes with adapters for different sockets. so there is no trouble using a unit bought in the uk on a euro mains socket.

i'm on a bit of a tight schedule this w/e, but i was able to spend about an hour with it last night, and my first impression is pretty much what others have already said: it's a very elegant instrument, excellent feature set in a compact package, brilliantly laid out, very intuitive, great sound. love it!
robot909 wrote:Fits and works off euro power.
that's excellent news!

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Post by m0d » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:40 am

wiggler81929 wrote:I've been looking at assembling a 0-coast-like system using existing MN modules, but at much greater expense. If I could get another FRAP half-case at 42HP and shove this thing inside it somehow...would save a ton of money, and I wouldn't have to worry about matching its capabilities with other modules.
Slabwax wrote:I'm not trying to be snide but... If you are just put the O-Coast in a euro case by it's self why bother? It's already in a case by its self. Now if you you were going to pop it in a 84 or 104 case with other euro modules i'd completely understand and I would not be questioning you at all. But this plan makes absolutely no sense to me. Sorry
I wondered the same thing as Slabwax. Why would you take it out of its own case and put it in another that is roughly the same size?

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Post by BTByrd » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:32 am

jido_genshi wrote: Oh, ok...

[video][/video]
Thank you so much!

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Post by ___tomk » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:00 pm

robot909 wrote:OK, After months of speculation...

Finally received my unit.

Had to try it.

Fits and works off euro power. (with slight soldering) The main board runs on 12v anyways via a KA78R12 voltage regulator.



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Awesome. My question for those who wish it came euro-ready is, if space for expansion is a commodity, why fill it with a unit that has its own enclosure? I suppose having the option to do so like the m32 is the obvious answer...

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Post by kwil » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:42 am

Seriously considering getting one and even mounting it in an eurorack case to kickstart my system as it is just a fledgling.

Anyone know if the front panel is metal?

Also the power requirements if using eurorack power? I have a 4ms row power, currently 400ma left on +12v.

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Post by bartleby » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:47 am

kwil wrote:Anyone know if the front panel is metal?
i don't have it here right now, but it looked and felt more like painted pcb material to me than metal...

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Post by kwil » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:49 pm

Cheers bartleby.

Sonic state now have a pretty informative review up.

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Post by bartleby » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:11 am

kwil wrote:Sonic state now have a pretty informative review up.
yes, it is informative, as usual. excellent overview of the 0-coast's many functions and capabilities. it does seem to contain some errors, though (no, the midi adapter is not compatible with arturia's standard, but with korg's instead. and no, i wouldn't call this a 'fully modular synth' even though it has plenty of eurorack-compatible patch points; but the multiplier is hardwired to the internal osc and doesn't have any audio i/o patch points, for example).

i completely agree with nick's assessment that this synth is pretty west-coasty overall, rather than being 'coast agnostic' as its name would suggest. :)

[video][/video]

i love this synth!
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Post by anselmi » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:46 am

do you know if the TIME input of the SLOPE section is calibrated to 1v/oct?

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Post by makenoise » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:50 am

It is Exponential, but not trimmed to 1V/ Octave.

HOWEVER!

If you run the MIDI Calibration routine (Program Page 7) you can calibrate MIDI_B CV to drive the TIME CV IN for the SLOPE circuit and SLOPE will track about 5 octaves very nicely when controlled via MIDI.

We will create a video that shows this very soon.

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anselmi wrote:do you know if the TIME input of the SLOPE section is calibrated to 1v/oct?

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Post by makenoise » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:47 am

I discussed "no coast synthesis" with Sonic Nick quite a bit as he was creating this video.

I did not invent no-coast synthesis, I merely coined the term for what I was seeing happening in the world of eurorack modular systems for the past few years. People have been building eurorack systems, and even designing modules, that cross pollinate the synthesis techniques pioneered on the East and West Coasts! This seems to be a rather recent development. The first person I ever saw doing "no-coast synthesis" was Grant Richter with his Boogie Filter which used the Vactrol Based LPG circuit to implement a 24db Low Pass Filter. Grant's approach inspired me to design a Low Pass Gate (west coast synthesis element) using a fast transistor based VCA (East Coast circuit topology) so it could be driven with the highly East Coast ADSR synthesis element.

I guess some folks feel that because the 0-COAST does not have a 24db Low Pass Filter that the East Coast is not properly represented within the 0-COAST. That they are concerned with either coast being properly represented shows a lack of understanding of what no coast synthesis truly is... it is not about combining all the elements of these classic, pioneering synthesizer designers (Buchla, Serge, Moog and others), or being able to re-create those classic sounds, but rather it is about selecting some key elements from each, and combining them in a new way, cross pollinating, to create new sounds. It could be more easily compared to No-Wave than Jazz Fusion :wookie: :party:

To me the MAJOR difference in the West and East Coast instruments is in how they were played. The West Coast instrument was played largely with sequencers and touch controllers, while the East Coast instrument used the traditional manual organ style keyboard, and the key circuit in making the organ manual keyboard work well with the East Coast Synthesis engine was the ADSR, not the Low Pass Filter. Without an ADSR a MiniMoog would have been quite a different instrument, perhaps not even so popular!

I believe the use of the organ style manual keyboard is also largely responsible for putting the Moog synthesisizer in front of millions of people as Rock and Pop stars used it on stage along side their Hammond B3, Wurlitzer and Rhodes Pianos and other keyboards. Meanwhile the Buchla instrument remained largely hidden in academic music studios.

My words here are NOT the final history of these great synthesis revolutions! These are merely my interpretations of what I have read and experienced.

If you are interested you could get more detail on all of this in the talk I gave at Continuucon this yr:

[video][/video]
bartleby wrote:
kwil wrote:Sonic state now have a pretty informative review up.
yes, it is informative, as usual. excellent overview of the 0-coast's many functions and capabilities. it does seem to contain some errors, though (no, the midi adapter is not compatible with arturia's standard, but with korg's instead. and no, i wouldn't call this a 'fully modular synth' even though it has plenty of eurorack-compatible patch points; but the multiplier is hardwired and doesn't have any audio i/o patch points, for example).

i completely agree with nick's assessment that this synth is pretty west-coasty overall, rather than being 'coast agnostic' as its name suggests. :)

[video][/video]

i love this synth!

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Post by bartleby » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:02 am

anyway, whatever coast it's from, it's a brilliant instrument!

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Post by makenoise » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:30 am

There is 3 regulators actually. You mentioned the +12VDC regulator. There is also one for -12VDC and +5VDC.

It is designed to run from about 320mA at +15VDC. If you run it at +12VDC it will consume around 400mA and there will be greater demand on power up as you would be powering an entire additional power supply circuit, not a module.

Running from +12VDC there will be less noise immunity but since most euro rack power supplies are pretty quiet, you will likely not experience any problems. If your euro rack supply is noisy or out of spec you could have trouble.

The process of racking the 0-COAST is not for the electrically and mechanically challenged or for people that have been drinking heavily :guinness: therefore I cannot and will not officially condone it in any way. I will however be glad to offer my knowledge as a fellow modular synth enthusiast :goo:

The reason we do not market the 0-COAST as a module is because it is not a module. Make Noise already has a whole line of modules! :woggle: :bug:
robot909 wrote:OK, After months of speculation...

Finally received my unit.

Had to try it.

Fits and works off euro power. (with slight soldering) The main board runs on 12v anyways via a KA78R12 voltage regulator.



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Post by VortexRanger » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:41 am

I helped Tony put together the "no-coast" presentation for Moogfest (later filmed at Continuucon), and one thing we frequently found during research is that the similarities greatly outweighed the differences. In fact that once you looked closely the distinction breaks down very quickly. An example is Patrick Gleeson, from the West Coast school, playing the "East Coast" Arp in a band with Herbie Hancock on Sextant, but in a "West Coast" style, which seemed to lead directly to Hancock playing his Arp in an "East Coast" style on Head Hunters... etc.

But this has has all been discussed many times over on this forum. In many ways it is more a fun thought experiment. Modern modular synthesis has been disconnected from the coast for awhile now, thanks to pioneers like Grant Richter (and Tony!). I think there are many synth-heads out there who have never even heard of this distinction prior to the release of the 0-Coast, because West Coast has been confined almost entirely to modular for 50 years.
makenoise wrote:I discussed "no coast synthesis" with Sonic Nick quite a bit as he was creating this video.

I did not invent no-coast synthesis, I merely coined the term for what I was seeing happening in the world of eurorack modular systems for the past few years. People have been building eurorack systems, and even designing modules, that cross pollinate the synthesis techniques pioneered on the East and West Coasts! This seems to be a rather recent development. The first person I ever saw doing "no-coast synthesis" was Grant Richter with his Boogie Filter which used the Vactrol Based LPG circuit to implement a 24db Low Pass Filter. Grant's approach inspired me to design a Low Pass Gate (west coast synthesis element) using a fast transistor based VCA (East Coast circuit topology) so it could be driven with the highly East Coast ADSR synthesis element.

I guess some folks feel that because the 0-COAST does not have a 24db Low Pass Filter that the East Coast is not properly represented within the 0-COAST. That they are concerned with either coast being properly represented shows a lack of understanding of what no coast synthesis truly is... it is not about combining all the elements of these classic, pioneering synthesizer designers (Buchla, Serge, Moog and others), or being able to re-create those classic sounds, but rather it is about selecting some key elements from each, and combining them in a new way, cross pollinating, to create new sounds. It could be more easily compared to No-Wave than Jazz Fusion :wookie: :party:

To me the MAJOR difference in the West and East Coast instruments is in how they were played. The West Coast instrument was played largely with sequencers and touch controllers, while the East Coast instrument used the traditional manual organ style keyboard, and the key circuit in making the organ manual keyboard work well with the East Coast Synthesis engine was the ADSR, not the Low Pass Filter. Without an ADSR a MiniMoog would have been quite a different instrument, perhaps not even so popular!

I believe the use of the organ style manual keyboard is also largely responsible for putting the Moog synthesisizer in front of millions of people as Rock and Pop stars used it on stage along side their Hammond B3, Wurlitzer and Rhodes Pianos and other keyboards. Meanwhile the Buchla instrument remained largely hidden in academic music studios.

My words here are NOT the final history of these great synthesis revolutions! These are merely my interpretations of what I have read and experienced.

If you are interested you could get more detail on all of this in the talk I gave at Continuucon this yr:

[video][/video]
bartleby wrote:
kwil wrote:Sonic state now have a pretty informative review up.
yes, it is informative, as usual. excellent overview of the 0-coast's many functions and capabilities. it does seem to contain some errors, though (no, the midi adapter is not compatible with arturia's standard, but with korg's instead. and no, i wouldn't call this a 'fully modular synth' even though it has plenty of eurorack-compatible patch points; but the multiplier is hardwired and doesn't have any audio i/o patch points, for example).

i completely agree with nick's assessment that this synth is pretty west-coasty overall, rather than being 'coast agnostic' as its name suggests. :)

[video][/video]

i love this synth!
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