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Post by darmklacht@gmail.com » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:04 pm

Has anyone tried to power thier device using a battery?

I´ve been thinking about making a DC plug I can connect to a 4.5v battery for portable joy as I think the battery pack jim talked about never surfaced.

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Post by MotoModular » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:02 am

darmklacht@gmail.com wrote:Has anyone tried to power thier device using a battery?

I´ve been thinking about making a DC plug I can connect to a 4.5v battery for portable joy as I think the battery pack jim talked about never surfaced.

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and five minutes of soldering using any two lead power wire raw snipped from an old dc wall wart you don’t want and you’re all set.

It became clear a while ago that to make something prettier than above I was going to have to start charging a price that would be stupid for battery power so just have been advising the DIY instead.

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Post by darmklacht@gmail.com » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:47 am

thats cool!

Just to make sure: Would the plus of the battery go to the tip or the sleeve of the jack?

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Post by MotoModular » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:33 am

darmklacht@gmail.com wrote:thats cool!

Just to make sure: Would the plus of the battery go to the tip or the sleeve of the jack?
It'll be the same polarity indicated next to it for the main DC jack. There was a polarity change after a certain number of units, which is why i can't answer directly positive or negative. Just follow the indications on side and you're good..

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Post by Starspawn » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:00 pm

Any tips for simply servicing the marantz mechanics?
Have one thats obviously not that happy, but electronics seems fine, Ive got the service manual, but that doesnt go into disassembling and cleaning/adjusting the mechanic parts.

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Post by darmklacht@gmail.com » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:21 pm

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darmklacht@gmail.com wrote:thats cool!

Just to make sure: Would the plus of the battery go to the tip or the sleeve of the jack?
It'll be the same polarity indicated next to it for the main DC jack. There was a polarity change after a certain number of units, which is why i can't answer directly positive or negative. Just follow the indications on side and you're good..
Excellent! Works as advertised... Great stuff!!

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Post by MotoModular » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:30 pm

darmklacht@gmail.com wrote:
spacecasetapeecho wrote:
darmklacht@gmail.com wrote:thats cool!

Just to make sure: Would the plus of the battery go to the tip or the sleeve of the jack?
It'll be the same polarity indicated next to it for the main DC jack. There was a polarity change after a certain number of units, which is why i can't answer directly positive or negative. Just follow the indications on side and you're good..
Excellent! Works as advertised... Great stuff!!
Party on!

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Post by Multi Grooves » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:26 am

modulartree wrote:Got my space case last week. And i must say: this thing is a work of art! Blows all roland space echos away with ease.. Its sounding so full and organic, really love it. Definetely worth the wait! Jim is a genius. Thanks again Jim for making me the best ever tape delay!! :yay: :woah:

You need to put more meat on the bone of this statement....

In what way is it better? Noise? motor speed consistency? Sound stage? Options for usage? Ease of wiggling?
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Post by Alphaman » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:12 am

VST or Hardware?

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Post by Multi Grooves » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:37 am

Can anyone chime in with a little more detail as to what areas this excels over a Roland Space echo?
In all areas? Width of sound? Noise stakes? Options i.e. variability of sounds it can give?

TIA
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Post by gentle_attack » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:21 am

Multi Grooves wrote:Can anyone chime in with a little more detail as to what areas this excels over a Roland Space echo?
In all areas? Width of sound? Noise stakes? Options i.e. variability of sounds it can give?

TIA
Dependable mechanism.
The type of tapes do sound different
Cassettes are readily available and cheap
Size

Price, you could argue either way, but a decades old RE-x0x can be as much or (much) more expensive, and be an inch from needing tons of repairs.

Although now the TE-1 has not been made for a while (very few get listed), and while the TE-2 has a million more features... it is very waitlisted, more than $1k, and hasn't shipped a single unit yet.
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Post by MotoModular » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:31 pm

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Multi Grooves wrote:Can anyone chime in with a little more detail as to what areas this excels over a Roland Space echo?
In all areas? Width of sound? Noise stakes? Options i.e. variability of sounds it can give?

TIA
Dependable mechanism.
The type of tapes do sound different
Cassettes are readily available and cheap
Size

Price, you could argue either way, but a decades old RE-x0x can be as much or (much) more expensive, and be an inch from needing tons of repairs.

Although now the TE-1 has not been made for a while (very few get listed), and while the TE-2 has a million more features... it is very waitlisted, more than $1k, and hasn't shipped a single unit yet.
Thanks for the kind commments! I'll just briefly chime in to fill in some gaps but also don't want to step in as the creator too heavily.
FYI The shipping dates of the TE-2 are going public today on the other thread. It'll ship in batches.
As for the capabilities designed into the TE-1 vs older units such as RE-x0x.. the purpose of any Space Case is to give sound/music handling and integration that wasn't available on the older designs and consumer concepts, and to take more creative advantage of the medium of moving analog tape than other devices do..
So just to add some to the factors about the TE-1 just stated..
Proper fully restored like-new sonic performance, high pass filter for engineer-style shaping away the muddier low ends of sound on tape/echos and tailoring it all the way into upper mid ranges, traditional independent level controls as opposed to a mix knob, an insert path for putting something inside the feedback path, a few different selectable opamp distortions which can each be tailored in amount and also output level, experimental delay time territories for pushing the limits of sound degradation on cassette as opposed to playing it safe and designing/limiting it to some standard medium delay time maximum, flexible interfacing that incorporates correct impedances and connections including balanced line i/o as an option instead of needing DI boxes and preamps, 5 year warranty, all the fresh workshop factors such as calibration / alignment / rubber parts and general deep mechanical restoration to make the transports perform better than original factory spec, and then you have all of the record and playback opportunities which no other commercial tape delay has and allows one to dive deep into experimental sound production off of tape with speed choices and fidelity choices and live time adjustment musical moves that get reproduced from a cassette which can then also be further live adjusted on top of that.

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Post by drowld » Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:59 pm

How long is the waitlist actually ?
I preordered but with many things couldnt pay this summer. Now i'm sure beggining of next year i will have the money. :doh:
looks and sound so goood

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Post by Multi Grooves » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:25 pm

I'm surprised there are so few comments weighing in on the obvious audio comparison between this cassette delay and any of the classic Roland tape echoes...
:hmm:
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Post by drowld » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:51 am

Multi Grooves wrote:I'm surprised there are so few comments weighing in on the obvious audio comparison between this cassette delay and any of the classic Roland tape echoes...
:hmm:
Maybe on the main thread in the eurorack modules section

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Post by Multi Grooves » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:11 pm

Maybe I'm being soft in the head but I cannot find a thing...
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Post by Multi Grooves » Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:43 am

biftek wrote:I hawked a couple deals on the bay, but mostly it's people thinking their cassettes are a pile of gold…
Urgh... Sounds exactly like mini disc hunting.

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Sorry to pester but I cannot believe something as rare, uncommon and as expensive as a newly constructed tape echo could have so little reviews. It sold out, right? Given the hype (rightly or wrongly) around say, Rolands or Korg stages or echoplexes from the golden era of this tech nobody has given a decent comparison of the old vs new. There are scant audio examples floating online. What gives? Buyers remorse? Or are owners locked away echoing everything in a stupor of bliss?
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Post by Multi Grooves » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:10 pm

Ok...no one else wants to tackle the comparison question...

Would it be right to say, the CV option for this is no more 'cos TE-2?
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Post by gentle_attack » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:37 pm

Multi Grooves wrote:Ok...no one else wants to tackle the comparison question...

Would it be right to say, the CV option for this is no more 'cos TE-2?
The TE-1 is no more 'cos TE-2. Unless you're asking if he will go back to making TE-1 at some point which is highly doubtful. TE-1 is totally shut down as far as we know.

There is this Ondé Magnetique one that has some basic CV. They are made to order and more affordable, but I think with all respect to both builders/modders, the TE-x series is a total rebuild from the ground up, and this is a more cursory mod. Both have their place but it's not fair to call one cheap/expensive, or one underfeatured/overkill. Different spins on the same idea. Both would be good for the collection if you ask me.

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Post by nadafarms » Sat May 18, 2019 8:24 pm

I bought a te-1 online, not understanding the differences between units.

Does it not have CV? I thought I saw a te-1 on the company’s Instagram account that was doing cv and controlling the start stop of the te-1.

I can find a manual, or any info on the website. Could anyone chime in? :hail:

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Post by T. Jervell » Sun May 19, 2019 1:16 am

nadafarms wrote:I bought a te-1 online, not understanding the differences between units.

Does it not have CV? I thought I saw a te-1 on the company’s Instagram account that was doing cv and controlling the start stop of the te-1.

I can find a manual, or any info on the website. Could anyone chime in? :hail:
There used to be a manual on the site, but it seems that it has been removed.
I have a TE-1 without CV ins. I know that they made them with (optional) CV-inputs a short time before they started the development of the TE-2. When they started to offer the CV capability, I got an email with the offer to send my unit in to have it modified to use CV. So I guess you’ll have to ask the person you purchased it from if it is one with CV in.... another thing to be aware of is that there also was other optional extras like balanced ins and outs+XLR, footswitches etc.

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Post by justscratch » Tue May 21, 2019 9:34 pm

think this was an option offered for a short time.. quoted from the lines forum


Since we were just talking about the CV upgrade to the Space Case, this just showed up my inbox the other day…

CV Basic (temporarily available): 125 USD

One style of use demonstrated here

Time: 0 to 5V : Controls the speed/time of the machine/delay. Speeds a bit above the stock Space Case manual speeds will be available for quicker delay times. Also slower speeds and all the way down to full stop is available, which also aren’t physically available on the machine knobs. Naturally, since you have full control over the tape speed with this input, if you send in a modulated signal you will get modulated time. The circuit DOES respond to quickly modulated signals, despite it controlling a motor and belts, so fluttering sounds can be achieved especially when using a square wave to modulate your time signal going into Time jack.

Run: 0V / 5V : Designed for gate signals. With the machine transport buttons already engaged/on, the machine will not move at all when 0V is present and when 5V is present it will move exactly at the rate of Time (or Time knobs when not using CV to control Time). This allows for some rather flexible and powerful musical results and I especially look forward to everyone trying it. Also, unlike the mechanical buttons of machine, the audio is not muted no matter what the CV signal dictates the machine to move via the Run jack. This allows you to experiment with the transition from play to stop and hear all of the results. No “clicking/popping” occurs, so this is a sonically clean operation and you can consider this a very special sampler kind of tool, like a “time stretch” in a DAW but so much more. The instagram video above is an example of all of this.

Further… Since we are dealing with physical objects spinning around, there is the mechanical factor to take advantage of in creative ways… If you very briefly release the Run signal, or, using a reversed polarity signal you hit it “off” for just a blip and release it to “on” again, you will have yourself a momentary “stop” then “start.” Now, of course if the blip of signal change is quick enough, the machine will not actually reach down to “stop” before “start” has already started moving again but you will have just generated a micro-wobble and will be musically interpreted as a mechanical imperfection. The sound of an old “broken” machine, perhaps. You can vary the length of signal “imperfection/blip” to vary the severity of pitch motion, and then also vary the frequency at which they occur, or even better randomize it, and you’ll have yourself an old unstable sounding tape machine playing original material from another time. Works great during echoes as well.

CV Control for the TE-1: 250 USD

Time and Run as above. Expression pedal works as expected for Time, and for Run simply toggles machine on at a certain point. If your pedal has a max point adjustment, you can set it so that higher point of pedal action triggers Run, and depending on the pedal, possibly max point triggers run.

Also…

Feedback: 0V to 5V : Front panel knob acts as Total Amount achievable. Exp pedal equipped.

Modulation: 0V to 5V : Affects Time of machine, no matter if time/speed of TE-1 is controlled by CV or its internal knobs. Exp pedal equipped

Echo Level: 0V to 5V : Front panel knob acts as Total Amount Achievable. Exp pedal equipped

Dry Level: 0V to 5V : Front panel knob acts as Total Amount Achievable. Exp pedal equipped

Output Level: 0V to 5V : Side panel knob acts as Total Amount Achievable. Exp pedal equipped

Insert On/Off: 0V / 5V : Exp pedal equipped. (Same as Time above regarding trigger action point)
This is a unique scenario. Designed for gates, 5V engages whatever insert you have in the audio insert jack, and 0V of course bypasses it. This allows for not only live timbre engagement within feedback loop, but also some very interesting playback possibilities because the Insert point is directly after the playback head… If you record something onto the tape and rewind to play it back, you can sequence an On/Off of any sort of effect being implemented onto the played back sound. Add this to the already rich possibilities of sequencing Time and Run.

Further… With the Echo, Dry, and Output Levels CV controllable, essentially you have a form of CV control over op amp distortion as well, since the amount of distortion in op amp is caused by Echo and Dry levels being sent to the op amp. To manipulate this all with CV you can manually select the Op Amp type with the side panel switch to set overall distortion level, then CV control your related levels. The Output Level CV can accommodate for now hotter signals coming from Echo and Dry. Send opposite CV waveforms to the Echo and Output CV controls and you will have some interesting things going on where the distortion increases+decreases but the following output level decreases+increases… in a dance of alternating overdrive… on your echoes.

This full CV upgrade includes a new and more substantial power supply and power connection point to machine.

Tap Tempo is designed, and may be implemented in this CV set but may be reserved as an upgrade for the breakout pedal instead.
Overall looks like a pretty interesting opportunity to use the tap deck as more than just a delay.

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Post by MotoModular » Wed May 22, 2019 1:05 pm

Hey all,

Been getting some emails about this and one of you just let me know that y'all were discussing so here I am to answer!

The TE-2 had been in development for years during all of the TE-1 builds and we didn't quite have a trajectory for announcing or releasing it but knew its performance features, and at the same time we wanted to start adding some CV features onto the TE-1 itself since it had been so heavily requested throughout all of the TE-1 builds and CV is a wonderful thing for tape effects. We had both plans in place.. continue working out the TE-2 under the radar and also offer some CV for the TE-1.

I took a good bit of development time getting some core CV features translated over from the TE-2 plans and prepared to install onto the TE-1, with the main obstacles mostly being hardware fitment, including some power tricks. Remember that we're working with an old cassette chassis. Fitment was already a great challenge inside each and every TE-1 to begin with, since so much was stuffed into the compact units.

Operatively speaking, things were good with a small quantity of test units and we put the announcement out about adding CV (on a side note for clarification, the quoted list of CV features posted in previous post here in thread is from an email sent out around a year and a half ago) , but after some time getting some more installs going I discovered that there was more physical inconsistency across many chassis due to age and user handling damage over the decades than I had realized, mainly subtle bending/warping issues that some had and some didn't, in various internal tight spaces where CV and power bits were supposed to be installed. It sure made an already difficult build become that much more time consuming and unpredictable, and was more or less the straw that broke the camel's back towards the TE-2 plan and we made a decision to kick into full gear getting the TE-2 finished and into the world instead of trying to commit to years more of obstacles within the world of the old and worn enclosures.

And to make full time for TE-2 tasks, we also froze all TE-1 sales/builds quite a while ago now, for the time being. There's a chance it'll be something that can be built in very small runs, like maybe quite literally a few at a time down the road, and at special windows in the calendar. But we are not committing to that and that won't happen for at least a couple years from now, if at all. From a personal standpoint, the TE-1 build process is a monster that burned me pretty well out! I enjoy them as much as anyone else when they are finished, of course, but I needed to be realistic about continuing as things were going and also wanted to put energy towards a fresh build so that the future of cv cassette echoes can be alive and stable and healthy for a long time to come here.

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Post by everydaycurry » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:17 pm

Thought I'd ask if anyone knows the correct PSU for a TE-1 w/ breakout box? (I just PMed MotoModular but I don't know how often he checks MF.)

My used TE-1 PSU has some wobble in the barrel connector, thought I'd order a backup but I want to double check that a 12V 4Amp supply (what it came with) is correct.

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Post by MotoModular » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:23 pm

everydaycurry wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:17 pm
Thought I'd ask if anyone knows the correct PSU for a TE-1 w/ breakout box? (I just PMed MotoModular but I don't know how often he checks MF.)

My used TE-1 PSU has some wobble in the barrel connector, thought I'd order a backup but I want to double check that a 12V 4Amp supply (what it came with) is correct.
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