New Korg MS20..in kit form??

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Post by Citizen Klaus » Fri May 08, 2015 11:09 pm

Ish wrote:Quick and simple question:

In the Eurorack world, DIY kits are the cheaper option, at least more so than purchasing an assembled module.

Why are the MS20 kits twice the cost of the pre-assembled versions?
In this case, there are no pre-assembled versions; the MS-20 Kit and MS-20M Kit use different cases, PCBs, and hardware when compared to the MS-20 Mini. So they're a special production run, produced only for the kits, which will likely sell in extremely small numbers anyway and thus not benefit from economies of scale. These also aren't kits in the modular sense of the term; the PCBs come pre-populated from the factory, so there's a lot more labor involved on Korg's part than just filling bags full of parts.

And, IIRC, the kits are made in Japan while the Mini is made in China. So there's that.

Basically, these are ultra-niche products for die-hards, and are priced accordingly.

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Post by NoSix » Sun May 10, 2015 3:47 pm

Recently got ms20 module and very happy with it except for the sq1 which I don't care for and might just flog on it's own.

Build is as simple as a Lego set, should take a normal person 40 min at the most.

Like - build quality superb, duo filter (sometimes the hissi Rev 2 works very well but would drive me mad if on all the time), PWM jack in and multiples. They addressed the torque tool issue (kinda) with plastic stickers as to avoid messing the silk screen (I still used a velvet rag just in case)

Don't Like - lost input jack for VCO 2 (might mod it down the line), only option to include sq1 with purchase, that I bought right befor it dropped £100 at Thomann :bang:

Edit: forgot, you loose portamento when being triggered by CV

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Post by lmgrovllum » Sat May 23, 2015 1:20 pm

Just assembled one last night and I am thoroughly impressed with the build quality and sound quality! Having owned a rev.2 MS-10 and rev.1 MS-20 for awhile, the MS20mini just didn't sound that great, too much hiss... But the MS-20m is fantastic. Definitely worth the 1100$ :tu:

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Post by Gribs » Sat May 23, 2015 3:53 pm

I just put one together. It took me longer than 40 minutes a my eyes about 90 or so - but I took my time and went slowly and took a break for coffee. Assembly was easy. The only difficulty I had was with the thread on the 1/4" jacks on the mults. For some reason they were slightly off and required some extra torque with a nut driver to put on. I was very careful to not twist the jacks in a way that would break the solder joints. I did not have this issue with the jack field jacks, which are a different type.
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Post by lmgrovllum » Tue May 26, 2015 7:49 pm

One issue: no volume knob for the external input (not the external signal processor). Seems rather quiet to me, but I'm so used to using the MS-10 ext input, which does have a volume knob. Wonder if a mod would be difficult? :hmm:

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Post by zaphod betamax » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:16 pm

I did! Choice of filter, fullsized keys, 1/4" jacks.
Only 1300 made, nuff said, or should I say muff said!
clarke68 wrote:
jarvis wrote:It is steep indeed, considering you can get the new - fully assembled - Moog Sub 37 for about that.
Indeed, or a new - fully assembled - MS-20 mini for $599. Curious who they think would buy this?

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Post by zaphod betamax » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:18 pm

my seriail is #1206 on my ms-20 kit, I think the actual number is 1000 worldwide-japan and then 300 for japan.
As a Canadian I'd like to seek out the other lucky owners!

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Post by justintonation » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:17 pm

Looks like these are selling quickly despite the high price. I love the way aphex twin used this synth. Full of squelchy goodness! 8-)

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Post by donato » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:11 am

justintonation wrote:Looks like these are selling quickly despite the high price. I love the way aphex twin used this synth. Full of squelchy goodness! 8-)
I don't know about quickly. They have been on sale for a little over a year now. But looks like they may be selling better than the keyboard kit and that they may also be gone pretty soon.

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Post by fattyparts » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:40 am

i'd really like one, but i can barely tie my shoelaces together let alone build MS20 lego.

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Post by zaphod betamax » Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:41 am

I did.
#1 Full sized keys
#2 No 1/8" jacks, fullsized 1/4" jacks
#3 two choices of filter
#4 Only 1300 made, so you don't have to have the same synth
that everyone and everyones dog from Lucan, Ontario has!

clarke68 wrote:
jarvis wrote:It is steep indeed, considering you can get the new - fully assembled - Moog Sub 37 for about that.
Indeed, or a new - fully assembled - MS-20 mini for $599. Curious who they think would buy this?

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Post by monokit » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:10 pm

clarke68 wrote:
jarvis wrote:It is steep indeed, considering you can get the new - fully assembled - Moog Sub 37 for about that.
Indeed, or a new - fully assembled - MS-20 mini for $599. Curious who they think would buy this?
I did too. I got the MS20mini as soon as it came out...cause i wanted to find out, what´s all the hype is about the MS...
I hated the cheap built quality and the mini keys and the 86% size of the knobs and the fake plastic mini jack rings that chipped off very easily. I also really disliked the fact, that i was able to hear my mobile phone producing weird sounds in the audio path...and that hiss...horrible.
Which i liked was the sounds i could get out of it...but the rest made me return it asap.

Then the keyboard kit was announced and shortly later, the module kit. First i thought...naaa, too expensive, then after a friend got the key kit, was happy with it and reported no problems with it...i ordered a module last summer and i was very astounded how well and sturdy it was built, and finally when assembled how nice it looks and felt! And whohooo the sound is awesome! Much better, much less hiss and i can´t hear my mobile phone at all through the MS20m. The SQ1 was also such a nice addition, so that i ordered for my other gear a second one! ;)

Best bang for the money. Do they still sell? I havent´seen them in a long time.

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Post by IanEye » Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:03 pm

monokit wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:10 pm
Do they still sell? I havent´seen them in a long time.
I wish Korg still had the MS-20M kit in production. I would love to buy one.

I am going to buy a Behringer K-2 instead, but if Korg decides to make more of these, I would grab one for sure.

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Post by zaphod betamax » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:53 am

At one time I had 2 MS-20Kits but sold one.
Going to buy a K-2.
Have lots of patching plans!

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Post by Licudi » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:35 am

Available from April 2020 in khaki, white, blue and original black. Fully built.

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Post by VM » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:57 am

Licudi wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:35 am
Available from April 2020 in khaki, white, blue and original black. Fully built.
When you cite news, post links and sources:

https://www.engadget.com/2020/01/14/kor ... d-reissue/

https://www.gear4music.com/Keyboards-an ... Green/3AGM

There are lots of references to "original circuitry" but I can't tell from the panel whether it's v/oct or hz/oct. Anyone know?
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Post by Licudi » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:28 am

VM wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:57 am
When you cite news, post links and sources:
No good deed goes unpunished, eh?

https://www.korg.com/jp/products/synthesizers/ms_20fs/

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Post by dopefiend » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:06 pm

I wish they made them with the options of last-note priority, PWM and hard sync. The latter two were featured in the MS20m, but still no last note priority. :despair:
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Post by beatcleaver » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:00 pm

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screw it, I want a green MS20.

It's so odd with all this new/old stuff being released. I haven't been interested in new synths in years, now there's a bunch of them I'm lusting after. Feels weird.
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Post by blw » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:32 pm

Wow, just as I’ve been staring at full size kit models on reverb. Can’t wait to hear the price. Green sure is fun.

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Post by beatcleaver » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:27 pm

I don't see much info posted about these, but I did see that guitar center have them listed at $1,400

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg/MS-20 ... hesizer.gc


$1,400 is a bit more than I was expecting. Then again, I think the 2600 is a bit pricey too, but maybe I'm just cheap

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Post by citizensmurf » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:01 pm

Am I reading this correctly, a reissued version of the original MS-20, without the option to toggle between filter versions, PWM or mods that the MS-20M had? Why can't they just issue the ultimate version already?

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Post by Chopper » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:59 pm

citizensmurf wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:01 pm
Am I reading this correctly, a reissued version of the original MS-20, without the option to toggle between filter versions, PWM or mods that the MS-20M had? Why can't they just issue the ultimate version already?
There is both filter revisions available apparently... But yeah, a bit pricey. Well, i have all of those extras on my MS20m, and indeed they bring it to another level. Still the best MS by far....

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Post by citizensmurf » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:16 pm

Chopper wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:59 pm
citizensmurf wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:01 pm
Am I reading this correctly, a reissued version of the original MS-20, without the option to toggle between filter versions, PWM or mods that the MS-20M had? Why can't they just issue the ultimate version already?
There is both filter revisions available apparently... But yeah, a bit pricey. Well, i have all of those extras on my MS20m, and indeed they bring it to another level. Still the best MS by far....
Yeah I missed out on the MS-20m, was contemplating the K-2, and given the price of this, might just be the way to go.

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