Moog Joystick XY Controler would someone Clone this ???

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Moog Joystick XY Controler would someone Clone this ???

Post by tongebirge » Sun May 12, 2013 4:02 am

I have seen this RA Moog Joystick Controler on the Web.
2 Version were made of this of what I have seen.
I believe this is a verry rar item so I wonder if someone made a Clone ?
It would fit to my System perfect and I think it is not a witchcraft to build a Clone of this to complement a MU Dotcom Style System.
I know old Joysticks are rar parts :cry:
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Post by numan7 » Sun May 12, 2013 4:31 am

also, if you are diy-inclined...

:foh: f(h) sells barebones kits for the cboices joystick module, which coukd be used as the basis for a 5U functional clone of the moog-sticks, i would think, since it's set up to operate at either 12 or 15 volts. and since the pcb is small enough to fit behind a euro or frac panel, you'd have room enough in 5U to add a couple of extra enhancement functions (such as comparators for the x and y voltages to fire off gate pulses, gate-to-trig converters, dc mixers, etc).

you'll need to design your own own panel if you go this route... i'm not sure how much of the stick assembly comes with the bare-bones pack, if any... you'll probably want to customize the stick handle and knob to look more like vintage :moog: anyways, i'd imagine. :hmm:

:tu: good luck in your quest (and please share pics of what you come up with)!

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Post by tongebirge » Sun May 12, 2013 4:52 am

I had 2 FoH Joysticks with my old Wialeko Euro System.
However I changed my System to MU that because I like it more Vintage Style.
I realized that Controlers are realy helpfull and give much playroom in creating Music.
Unfortunatly i have 2 left hands and do not know much about DIY :cry:

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Post by nlaudadio » Sun May 12, 2013 7:08 am

I will second the AC Arcade recommendation. Wonderfully useful.

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Post by sduck » Mon May 13, 2013 10:01 am

Boothnavy's module is the best! Get one!
numan7 wrote:also, if you are diy-inclined...

...you'll need to design your own own panel if you go this route... i'm not sure how much of the stick assembly comes with the bare-bones pack, if any... you'll probably want to customize the stick handle and knob to look more like vintage :moog: anyways, i'd imagine. :hmm:
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Post by tongebirge » Mon May 13, 2013 11:05 am

Thanks a lot for all the recomendations but i am real small headed nostalgic man.
I know the FoH has powerfull functions just i am more looking for something that looks like this.
Sorry for the trouble.

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Post by revmutt » Mon May 13, 2013 11:30 am

If you find a vintage one you are going to have to make power adaptor.
I don't understand why you don't find the simplest looking new one and build a wood enclosure.
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Post by tongebirge » Mon May 13, 2013 11:47 am

I fear I cant or I would not afford an old Moog Controler.
And I cant do DIY.
I like the puristic look of that old 959 Controler.
No one needs to understand this :hihi:
Getting a halfsize CP panel 2 units and a nice cherrywood or walnut box would make a good Moog Style look.
I would need a Joystick, Circuitboard and and and.

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Post by CZ Rider » Mon May 13, 2013 12:48 pm

The 959 is an interesting Moog accessory that there is not much information. I would like to see a schematic of both versions, or at least a good close-up of the insides. The two different versions seem to be the original wedge shaped one made for the modular systems with the Cinch three prong power, and variable CV amounts. And the square one with the switchable CV amount. The square version was probably ment to also work with early Minimoogs and Sonic six models.
I inquired about the 959 and sequencer for my Minimoog back in 1974/75. I was surprised the sequencer cost more than the Mini and the 959 was no longer available. The 959 was listed with the model 12 and early Minimoog as an accessory, but not listed in the 1974 model 15/35/55 brochures. So I would guess this was discontinued around 1974.
Read an article somewhere and Bob described the challenge of getting an X/Y controller without any backlash. Would like to see the mechanism inside. I'm almost certain it would not contain any IC's and be just transistors and resistors type circuit.
Here is the wedge shaped version with the variable X/Y attenuators photos I lifted from Ebay and Vemia auctions. Would need a schematic at least to try to clone this. I do have an empty shell from a 1125 with walnut ends that would make a nice Moog like X/Y controller.
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Post by russma » Mon May 13, 2013 12:51 pm

...the granddaddy of all 'foogers.

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Post by tongebirge » Mon May 13, 2013 12:59 pm

Wowie nice it is hard to get Info about these Units :woah: :woah:

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Post by ersatzplanet » Mon May 13, 2013 1:21 pm

I would think that controllers would work much better on a horizontal panel instead of a vertical one. It would be pretty easy to make a "skiff" controller to set in front of your 5U rig. There are plenty of shallow Eurorack controllers out there. We (Synthwerks) make a lot of them and they would work fine with a 5U system (compatible gates and CVs). If you made the skiff match the woodwork then you are halfway there. If you want to match front panels I can provide the drawings to do Front Panel Express versions in black.

Adaptor cables are pretty cheap to make too.
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Post by tongebirge » Mon May 13, 2013 1:52 pm

James you build awesome Modules do it Dotcom MU style and I think about it :party:

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Post by revtor » Mon May 13, 2013 5:05 pm

The guts of a joy stick module are very simple.. Especially one as simple as the moog.. You can use the foh pcb and get an old IBM PC joystick, and whip it all together.


I have a stash of those old joysticks, never got around to using them...

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Post by EATyourGUITAR » Mon May 13, 2013 10:47 pm

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this is one of those things that everyone should try to DIY from the ground up. its not that much harder than wiring a fixed voltage source on a pot. you dont even need opamps. maybe some resistors to get the levels right, some switches to toggle bipolar and your done! lets be honest, I'm cheap. I DIY because I have to. I call it "broke school".

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Post by BKehew » Sat May 25, 2013 10:29 pm

Agreed, not too hard to do. I may have some old info around on one of the versions, will look. The metalwork is the hardest part, maybe the silkscreen. NOT the electronics!

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Post by Bryan B » Wed May 29, 2013 12:07 pm

Why isn't there an X/Y touch controller loike the Moog Voyager has? I would love that kind of thing with pressure out too.
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Post by CZ Rider » Wed May 29, 2013 1:36 pm

The x/y/z touchpad came before the Voyager. Bob Moog sold these under the BigBriar name. Had a catalog somewhere with the model listed. Was a stand alone x/y/z touchpad. There were two different versions I have seen.
The earlier one:
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And a later one:
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I believe these were available up into the 90's, just before the recent modular expolsion.

Found some more pics of the square Moog 959 joystick. Looking at the serial and date on the wedge shaped ones, the wedge must be a newer version. Originally custom made for the CEMS around late 1970.
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I would guess these were special order accessories and made upon request. There was the 958 pedal controller, also listed as an accessory for the Minimoog before the newer and more common 1120 pedal. There was a version of that pedal with 2-axis. In the early days Moog had many alternative controllers for musicians. Every Moog system shipped with a linear (ribbon) controller as standard equipment. Somehow Moog got labled as "keyboard" instrument though?
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Post by burdij » Wed May 29, 2013 1:37 pm

You could slap a walnut case on one of these . . .

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Post by Dave Peck » Wed May 29, 2013 2:14 pm

CZ Rider wrote:
And a later one:
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Many years ago I grafted a PAIA joystick onto my first Arp Odyssey to remedy the Odyssey's lack of decent left-hand controllers (I used it for pitch bend & vibrato control). It was a huge step up and really added a lot of expressive control to the synth. Years later, I bought a Korg Z1, which has an X/Y touch pad in addition to a pair of standard pitch & mod wheels. I was impressed with how expressive the touch pad was. Some of these pads have a big advantage over joysticks - they have switches that let you select how the pad reacts when you release your finger. You can set them to either snap back to center, like a spring loaded joystick, or hold the position where you were last touching the pad, like a non-spring loaded joystick. It looks like the later version of the Moog pad has these switches.

Is anyone aware of any current-production X/Y touch pads that have this feature, and that have analog CV inputs & outputs to make them easily compatible with a modular analog synth?

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Post by tongebirge » Wed May 29, 2013 2:36 pm

These Moog XY Pad Controllers are real cool these are just like Moog made them on the Filtatron App for Ipad.
They are very Musical with all the Controls on Filter / Delay / Envelope / VCO.
Just I still hold on on that Metalic Joistick in wooden case :cry:

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Post by CZ Rider » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:04 am

While not a Moog 959, the Octave Catstick is a really nice idea for a joystick controller. I would like to see a clone of this. The advantage here is it's all self contained and can be used with any CV device.
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Ths Catstick is a four quadrant joystick with a VCA for each quadrant along with a mixed in adjustable CV. The patching possibilities with this type configuration are almost endless. Any modular modulation source can be routed through the VCA's and there are 2 on-board LFO's if you are short on mod sources. There are several options on the mix and inversion of the applied CV's from the twenty 1/4" sockets on the back. Very nice and well thought out design! Not your typical X/Y joystick.

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Post by tongebirge » Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:55 am

Wow this is nice :hail:
Rar item of course.

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