Serge Res Eq

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Post by chrisso » Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:38 pm

For me EQ is less useful in a synth patch because I tend to sculpt the sound from the ground up; choice of waveform blend and filter position.
Still, one is open to go wild with the Res EQ inside a serge patch, it's just a different approach.
Not really sounding like a filter, the Res EQ in my mind is more like a console EQ on steroids. The scale of the sonic adjustment it's capable of is quite enormous, and all the extremes, especially low and high end are never harsh or ugly.
It is great for audio processing.

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Post by oljud » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:01 am

So, any res eq owners who feel like taking impulse responses of their module? I've made some of the 296 as you might have seen and though they're static etc they're quite useful. Have a look in the 296 ir thread if you're curious about how I made them or whatever.

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Post by Rod Serling Fan Club » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:29 am

"impulse responses"?

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Post by oljud » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:48 am

Yeah, like for reverbs. Good stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_response

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Post by ndkent » Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:10 pm

I think impulses would only get you somewhere if you had a favorite setting. No way to adjust it like the real thing.

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Post by oljud » Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:25 pm

Yeah, but I took impulses of each individual band so they can be panned and amplified as desired. Also one where the odd bands are sent to left channel and the even to the right channel which gives a nice stereo widening.

Oh, and I think the 296 has enough character to justify using plain impulses with all the bands set to unity gain. Perhaps max gain on the Serge would be cool for ringing effects.

It's not a replacement for the 296 but I use it a lot, not sure how many others do.
I have some soundcloud demos in the thread. viewtopic.php?t=42323

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Post by theboddy » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:17 pm

simian wrote:
i guess my point was that so much of the appeal of the serge (to me, at least) lies in the fact that so many function blocks will offer up their guts to be used/abused in novel and fascinating ways. despite the fact that this is not the case with the res eq, i'm still intrigued.
Well that's exactly what I did with that patch I posted a few steps back in this thread. Rod Serling Fan Club mentioned an idea about using the Res Eq for feedback so off I went and did this:

http://soundcloud.com/ianboddy/res-eq-feedback

Amazing sounds really, no oscillators involved. And probably not the sort of thing most would have thought the Res Eq could I have been used for. I certainly hadn't.

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Post by iVardensphere » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:21 am

RezEQ + Me = :drinking:

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Post by simian » Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:33 pm

Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:I’m not much for running external signals either...
Oh... don't get me wrong, I certainly am into external signals, I just hadn't really considered them in my (admittedly sequencer heavy) serge system... yet... until just now. There's a stack of variously mangled samples lying around here somewhere that could certainly be put to "good" use...

...of some sort.

maybe.
sascha.victoria wrote:In case someone wanted to DIY the RES EQ:

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs202_reseq.html
Stitch two of them together carefully with a host of envelope followers and VCAs...?

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Post by oljud » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:02 pm

So, anyone know about CGS res eq demos? I think I need one.

I presume the pcb is sized to fit behind a serge, 4U, panel and wouldn't fit behind a frac? edit: found it. Too big at 6"

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Post by Scories » Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:14 pm

Bringing back a goold old thread.

At first, I was deceived by the ResEQ; I was then trying to send half-baked songs and audio sketches through it, hoping it would sound awesome. But it just sounded odd, as if it was impossible to make subtle changes with this modules (loosing the stereophony didn't helped much).

Then I started considering the ResEQ as a pure synthesis module and then it really started to shine. It really helps to nail pseudo-acoustic sounds or to mimic synths sounds from different eras. By cutting some frequencies and boosting some other, you really feel like an audio scupltor.

I like to use the comb up/down outputs panned left/right for some weird stereo image. Otherwise, using just one of the comb outputs gets a cool narrow sound that is either basy or mid-rangey.

If it had CV control, it would be insanely psychedelic for sure. Anyway, this is an awesome module and I use it quite a lot.

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Post by wmbb » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:59 pm

I agree that the Resonant EQ is one the most useful Serge modules. I think it must be the term "EQ" that confuses people. I don't think a Resonant EQ "equalizes" anything. It complicates simpler waveforms and puts meat on the bones of simper sounds.

A Resonant EQ can radically complicate and "fatten" SIMPLE waveforms and make them somehow sound more organic and "natural" sounding by giving them complicated resonant frequencies.

Les obviously, when placed toward the end of a processing chain, a Resonant EQ can somehow accentuate whatever animation or spectral movement is already present in COMPLICATED waveforms as a result of previous "upstream" processing. I suppose this enhanced animation occurs as changing harmonics move in and out of resonant bands set by the filters.

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Post by Scories » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:10 pm

Indeed. I see it as a static, cleaner wave-multiplier, but with more precision control & organicity... that can also reveal the life within a sound.

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Post by pjoris » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:00 am

Had a first play with the Res Eq yesterday: just a quick feedback demo.

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Only feedback no input in the res eq.

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Post by richard » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:44 am

wmbb wrote:I don't think a Resonant EQ "equalizes" anything.
:hihi: very true, maybe Serge should have called it a Resonant Unequalizer?

Like that other cranky old circuit the WAD, it can be underwhelming until you realise what it is good for
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Post by Scories » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:08 am

richard wrote:
wmbb wrote:I don't think a Resonant EQ "equalizes" anything.
:hihi: very true, maybe Serge should have called it a Resonant Unequalizer?

Like that other cranky old circuit the WAD, it can be underwhelming until you realise what it is good for
Very true. I haven't been able to get a flat frequency response out of it.
Out of curiosity, what's the WAD good for in your opinion?

@ pjoris : Nice drones! :tu:

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Post by sascha.victoria » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:04 am

I love the Res EQ. A full panel of them would be a very powerful mixing tool. It's also the only Serge module that I wish was different. Just think of what you could do if it had voltage control of the levels. :deadbanana:
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Post by Scories » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:09 am

sascha.victoria wrote:I love the Res EQ. A full panel of them would be a very powerful mixing tool. It's also the only Serge module that I wish was different. Just think of what you could do if it had voltage control of the levels. :deadbanana:
Despite the lack of vc inputs, it does bring some motion to the sound in someways. But we'd all love to hear how it would sound like with these controls. Though it might take the space of a full M-Class module.

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Post by richard » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:25 am

Scories wrote:Out of curiosity, what's the WAD good for in your opinion?
a kind of disintegrating, bit crushed karplus-strong is what I like it for, definite not delay
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Post by Borellus » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:55 pm

The Resonant EQ isn't a "proper" equalizer, and the WAD isn't a "proper" delay. They are both ...something else.

Mixed in with the dry signal, the WAD can add strange, metallic textures to the original tone that are different from the usual chorus/flange type effects. In feedback, the WAD is pure howling Id Monster.

One cool trick with the EQ is to sweep a notch-filtered sound through it (filter Q set to zero)... weird phase-shifting effects are possible, depending on the source and the EQ knob settings. This, combined with VC X-fading between the two "comb" outputs, can produce some interesting results.
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Post by MindMachine » Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:56 am

wmbb wrote:A Resonant EQ can radically complicate and "fatten" SIMPLE waveforms and make them somehow sound more organic and "natural" sounding by giving them complicated resonant frequencies.
I have never even tried it bewtween a VCO and VCF! That is an excellent idea. Now off to the lab. :guinness:

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Post by tuanuibi » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:18 pm

Has anyone racked this thing up for studio use? Xlrs, balanced I/Os etc?
I love mine in the modular, but would love one in a rack
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Post by chrisso » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:52 pm

Borellus wrote:The Resonant EQ isn't a "proper" equalizer, and the WAD isn't a "proper" delay. They are both ...something else.
That's true, but the ResEQ still performs some great EQing tasks, let's not pretend otherwise.
When I had my system, I used to patch audio out of my DAW into the ResEQ all the time.
Frankly, I really loved the tone shaping aspect of the EQ the most.

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Post by jamb » Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:33 pm

asked a question then realized it was already answered. :spin:

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