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Serge Res Eq

Post by theboddy » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:29 am

Haven't seen or heard much about the Serge Resonant Equalizer. The reason I'm asking is that I'm looking to expand on my Animal and one of the modules that I would obviously like to get it the DUSG - thing is I know of only 2 ways to get this in M-module format - either the Quad Slope or the Audio Interface.

The former looks great of course but as I already have effectively a DUSG lite in the form of the DTG in the Animal I was thinking that maybe another 2 x DUSG would be over kill and whether to go for the Audio interface instead which has 1 x DUSG + the Resonant Eq (and preamp + VCA Comp as well).

Hence my question about the Res Eq and how it sounds, whether it's be more flexible getting the Quad Slope etc etc.

Any thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.

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Post by richard » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:38 am

you are not the first to ask this Ian. I still have no idea what this thing sounds like. there were some drum machine demos around somewhere but that wasn't quite the source material I would like to hear
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Post by opsysbug » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:41 am

Not "more flexible" as it has no CV inputs but very unique and unusual.
All bands go into resonance. I've made the Creature sound like Flute
or Sax or made it scream!
You certainly cannot argue with a Quad Slope for flexibility but I would
give this one my strong recommendation as well!
And if you are playing the Guitar through it ...

I think the is some info about it on Quadslope.com

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Post by franzschuier » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:16 am

IMHO the Res EQ is great but if you have nice outbord EQs you wont need it.

Again IMHO Its not that special sounding and theres no CV Control, but if you have a crossfader in your system you can use it to mix the different outputs.

I love everything serge, but for the money you can get a very nice 500 EQ.

I would get a CV1 Panel, I should have done it and Im still thinking about exchanging 3 Modules with it.

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Post by SquidboatCommander » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:55 am

franzschuier wrote:IMHO the Res EQ is great but if you have nice outbord EQs you wont need it.

Again IMHO Its not that special sounding and theres no CV Control, but if you have a crossfader in your system you can use it to mix the different outputs.

I love everything serge, but for the money you can get a very nice 500 EQ.

I would get a CV1 Panel, I should have done it and Im still thinking about exchanging 3 Modules with it.

I kind of have to disagree here. . . I have about 30 channels of high end outboard eq and I love the serge res eq. it sounds and works differently from all of the other eqs I have including API, tonelux, quad eight graphics, sphere graphics, ADT, daking, electrodyne, etc. it is great for feedback patches and just general sound shaping. at any rate, I highly recommend the res eq, one of my favorite sounding modules. . . have fun!

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Post by franzschuier » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:15 am

yeah maybe it was just not my taste. I love every other serge module I used and the Res was the only one that I didnt fall in love with.

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Post by SquidboatCommander » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:31 am

franzschuier wrote:yeah maybe it was just not my taste. I love every other serge module I used and the Res was the only one that I didnt fall in love with.
that's cool. . . to each their own :) I fell in love with the sound when I first used it, so I guess you know right away whether or not it is for you. . .

the other point that is cool vs. outboard eq is, of course, that you can use it anywhere in the patch, not just at the beginning or end. AND it has the cool odd/even outputs which can you can process and pan seperately. . . long live serge and every other great sound making device ever invented

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Post by richard » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:56 am

SquidboatCommander wrote:long live serge and every other great sound making device ever invented
okay, I'm having that if you're okay with it? :hihi:
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Post by Entrainer » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:25 pm

I love it and think the Audio Interface is a fantastic choice to pair with
the Animal.

I've used/own a ton of great outboard EQs... they don't sound like
the RES EQ at all, IMHO. You get an immediate change in timbre just
plugging into the RES-EQ set flat. I think the filters are parallel bandpass
filters...

But the real answer is CV-2 Blue Control panel and Soup Kitchen.
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Post by theboddy » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:43 pm

Thanks for the feedback - all very interesting. One thing I'm puzzling over looking at the schematic for this module is in that I can see 2 inputs - are there any differences between them?

So one of you recommends the CV1 and the other the CV2 - if only I had the funds I'd get both . . . . however ;-)

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Post by wavecircle » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:13 pm

The problem with the CV1 and CV2 is that both of them have quite a lot of overlap with the Animal. I always get a headache when trying to plan a Serge system.

I usually start at the animoo, add a sequencer panel and a soup kitchen 1. Then I start fancying Quad slopes etc... He should bring back custom panels.
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Post by richard » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:21 pm

He should bring back custom panels.
after being on the Serge path for only a year or so, and much as I love the STS panels I have I must say I agree. However, I hope the days when every Serge thread ends up being fruitless griping about Rex's unique business practice are passed :razz:

If you ask me, buying the essential STS stuff and then supporting Ken Stone and encouraging projects such as the best of CGS panels is the best way to open things up a bit. That is my plan at least.

edit: I am totally bummed that zthee's plan for a final CGS/Serge panel which would have included (I think) a dual resonating eq and the Serge phaser are kaputt. A fucking tragedy from my point of view.
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Post by Entrainer » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:41 pm

theboddy wrote: So one of you recommends the CV1 and the other the CV2 - if only I had the funds I'd get both . . . . however ;-)
Yeah, the CV1 would be my choice if I was pairing with an eventual
Soup Kitchen. The CV2 would be my choice if pairing with a sequencer
panel.

But as Richard mentioned, it is possible to DIY the DUSG/VCS in a
banana/Serge style.

The Audio Interface is nice because you also get the envelope follower
and comparator... good for rhythmic synchronization with drum machines.
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Post by MechaSeb » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:55 pm

wavecircle wrote:The problem with the CV1 and CV2 is that both of them have quite a lot of overlap with the Animal.
IMHO, SSG, DTG (DUSG), VCFQ and WaveMultiplier are the earth of Serge modular. I don't see two SSD and DTG as an overlap. Also i have no dedicated Oscillator into my actual setup and can easily live without because when i need a modulation source or a sawtooth/triangle i patch a DTG/DUSG.

That said, i think that Animal/oo + CV1 is a great combo !

EDIT : +1 on a Res EQ demo ! :goo:

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Post by franzschuier » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:24 pm

MechaSeb wrote: IMHO, SSG, DTG (DUSG), VCFQ and WaveMultiplier are the earth of Serge modular. I don't see two SSD and DTG as an overlap.
+1

most building blocks are so versatile, having two or more is always great. You can use 4 DTGs in a patch and every one of them has a different function.

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Post by wavecircle » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:52 pm

MechaSeb wrote:
wavecircle wrote:The problem with the CV1 and CV2 is that both of them have quite a lot of overlap with the Animal.
IMHO, SSG, DTG (DUSG), VCFQ and WaveMultiplier are the earth of Serge modular. I don't see two SSD and DTG as an overlap. Also i have no dedicated Oscillator into my actual setup and can easily live without because when i need a modulation source or a sawtooth/triangle i patch a DTG/DUSG.

That said, i think that Animal/oo + CV1 is a great combo !

EDIT : +1 on a Res EQ demo ! :goo:
I see your point, it would be great to have as many modules as possible. I guess when I make a system I like it to be efficient and varied. For me personally I wouldn't want too many duplicates of modules. The Animal is such a fantastic panel, along with the soup kitchens and the sequencer panel. I would want DUSG in there though, CV2 seems perfect but I wouldn't need the extra SSG, DTG and noise source. Also with this setup you would probably have more UAP than you would need.
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Post by theboddy » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:10 pm

Guys - again all great feedback but none of you actually answered my last question ;-)

"One thing I'm puzzling over looking at the schematic for this module is in that I can see 2 inputs - are there any differences between them? "


Any clues?

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Post by MechaSeb » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:15 pm

theboddy wrote:"One thing I'm puzzling over looking at the schematic for this module is in that I can see 2 inputs - are there any differences between them? "
Except the different type (3,5mm against banana) of inputing jack, i don't think there is any difference between those too.

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Post by MechaSeb » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:25 pm

wavecircle wrote:
MechaSeb wrote:
wavecircle wrote:The problem with the CV1 and CV2 is that both of them have quite a lot of overlap with the Animal.
IMHO, SSG, DTG (DUSG), VCFQ and WaveMultiplier are the earth of Serge modular. I don't see two SSD and DTG as an overlap. Also i have no dedicated Oscillator into my actual setup and can easily live without because when i need a modulation source or a sawtooth/triangle i patch a DTG/DUSG.

That said, i think that Animal/oo + CV1 is a great combo !

EDIT : +1 on a Res EQ demo ! :goo:
I see your point, it would be great to have as many modules as possible. I guess when I make a system I like it to be efficient and varied. For me personally I wouldn't want too many duplicates of modules. The Animal is such a fantastic panel, along with the soup kitchens and the sequencer panel. I would want DUSG in there though, CV2 seems perfect but I wouldn't need the extra SSG, DTG and noise source. Also with this setup you would probably have more UAP than you would need.
I see what you mean. I think it depends on how many panels you're ready to expend... and that's a bit hard question when beginning into Serge world. Like you, i don't think i'd go for an Animal panel at all if i'd be ready (have cash for) expanding for at least 6 panels.

If my goal would be this giant setup for example :

Blue Fun Station
Red Fun Station
Soup Kitchen

For sure there is widely enough of each modules and add a Animal (or swap a Blue Voice/Red voice panel for it) would make non sense... at least for me.

But if you go "reasonably" for a 3/4 panels then, the problem, imho, is quite different.
(Animal + CV1/2 + TKB + Seq/Soup)

Again, it's a matter of taste and can easily see your point too. :tu:

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Post by wavecircle » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:37 pm

Yeah,

6 Panel system is easy.

Blue Voice
CV2
Sequencer
TKB
Soup 1
Soup 2

3 panels, very tough.

I'd want an animoo, sequencer panel and then some hybrid of CV2 and the 2 soup kitchens.
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Post by theboddy » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:45 pm

MechaSeb - thanks that answers that then - it was unclear on the schematic that these were different types of socket.

I should perhaps explain that my Serge system isn't being built in isolation rather it's an expansion to my existing Eurorack / 100M modular:

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So it's not so important to me to cover all the CV stuff in Serge as I have a stack of LFO's / Envelopes / Sequencers and I've got ways of interfacing all this with my Serge gear. So for me the two CV panels aren't so good as they have too many duplications to what I already have.

But really enjoying the Animal so far.

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Post by wavecircle » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:50 pm

Very nice 100m system. I'd love one of them someday.

Do you see your eurorack dissolving into Serge in the future?
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Post by theboddy » Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:37 pm

wavecircle wrote:Very nice 100m system. I'd love one of them someday.

Do you see your eurorack dissolving into Serge in the future?
Well I sold of one racks worth to help fund the Animal but I've got a lot of nice modules from the likes of Cwejman, Make Noise etc that have no direct equivalents in Serge so probably not that much. All these systems have their strengths & weaknesses so for now I want to concentrate on the things that I think Serge are good or unique at.

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Post by ndkent » Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:53 pm

well first off, by and large it falls into the category of fixed filter banks and equalizers... if it had CVs it would be something else like multiple bandpass filters or a parametric wouldn't it, that said sometimes individual outs are handy. off memory I thought it had 2 outs not ins. for a comb stereo effect

can anyone send me that schematic? thanks

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Post by MechaSeb » Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:36 pm

ndkent wrote:well first off, by and large it falls into the category of fixed filter banks and equalizers... if it had CVs it would be something else like multiple bandpass filters or a parametric wouldn't it, that said sometimes individual outs are handy. off memory I thought it had 2 outs not ins. for a comb stereo effect

can anyone send me that schematic? thanks
Well, not "really" two different INput for sure but different sockets. I think that's what theboddy was talking about.

Also from Egres :
There are three equalized outputs, two which mix the alternate filter bands, and one which is a mix of all filter bands. The upper "COMB" outputlet passes the outputs of frequency bands at 61 Hz, 218 Hz, 777 Hz, 2.8Khz, and 11 Khz. The lower "COMB" output mixes the other bands (29,115,411,1.5K,5.2K).
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