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Post by tojpeters » Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:59 pm

Here is another thought on replacing the SSG on panel 3 with mixing. First column is linked to second but can be switched to be independent,but not VC. Second is a VC mixer,switch makes it respond inversely to CV.

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Post by PraxisCat » Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:55 am

tojpeters wrote:Here is another thought on replacing the SSG on panel 3 with mixing. First column is linked to second but can be switched to be independent,but not VC. Second is a VC mixer,switch makes it respond inversely to CV.

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I am not really sure the mixer is missing from panel 3, there is already one there. It's more of an omission on panel 1. You don't need a ton of mixers, and I think the one on panel 3 is enough for that panel. So adding more and taking away the SSG does not make much sense. Its the lack of a mixer that kind of throws off the complete voice idea for some people with panel 1. I will be honest..I don't see it as necessary. I rather the additional mixing options not be added to panel 3 at the cost of something so useful as an SSG. I know the SSG may sound duplicative with the noise from the first panel, but I rather have an SSG, than what's on the first panel. That noise panel is most useful for things involving the SWAMP. It seems really duplicative with panel 1 when paired with the swamp. A single column mixer could go where the noise is on panel 1, and it would make panel 1 close to perfect, and reduce unnecessary duplication. The SSG could stick around then, because it's an interesting thing paired with the burst generator and the midi. At least from my perspective as a synthesist.
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Post by En_Annan » Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:59 am

I need to think about this, about what to eventually remove in favour of a mixer. In any case, the ssg has to remain!!

I'm thinking it's probably better to make another panel, with more wave shapers, mixers, possibly a cgs lpg and such. Res eq maybe. Serge filter? Hmm...

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Post by PraxisCat » Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:05 am

En_Annan wrote:I need to think about this, about what to eventually remove in favour of a mixer. In any case, the ssg has to remain!!

I'm thinking it's probably better to make another panel, with more wave shapers, mixers, possibly a cgs lpg and such. Res eq maybe. Serge filter? Hmm...

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LPG is already on panel 3, serge VCFQ on panel 1. There is a great deal covered on all three of these panels. It's jam packed.
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Post by En_Annan » Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:25 am

Yeah. But I was thinking of serge 73/cgs77-filter. ...and with more wave shapers/mults, you'd want more lpgs! !
Anyway, I'm all pro a fourth panel (with an extra dusg, too), leaving these panels as they are. I find it really hard to alter anything on them.
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Post by En_Annan » Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:33 am

As for mixers, I think it's much depending on what you intend to do with the synth.

On a three panel system I have, made mostly for drone/soundscapes, there are 5 mixers, + two inputs on a few modules. This same system has 7 filters.... my point being that I may come from a different angle.

If you all say it's enough with mixers on these panels, I'm def not to start changing anything!

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Post by tojpeters » Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:46 pm

Lots of love for the SSG,I guess it stays. I think maybe replace the send&receive with a 3 channel mixer that will handle audio or CV and maybe give it 2x gain also. Thoughts?

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Post by tojpeters » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:16 pm

Anybody hate this?

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Post by En_Annan » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:15 pm

Keep panel 1 as it was. No changes needed. It was perfect as it was! My opinion

As for the send return, I was to suggest that you could delete it. Now you did anyway. I think I prefer this one. Yep. Go for it!!


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Post by Vsyevolod » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:18 pm

It's always a tough call to replace a sexy module with a humdrum one like a mixer... yet essential to have the huevos to do so.

These two panels are looking more complete to my eye.

And yes, there's a lot of love for the SSG, rightfully so.

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Post by PraxisCat » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:15 am

I am cool with the panel 1 either way, I kind of agree the new third panel looks great with the mixer and processor. Don't change Panel 3 now. It's PERFECT. The send and receive striked me as something I would have never used, while this looks much more functional as a whole.

Whatever design you go with regards to panel 1, I think it would be great, whether it's the VCA or the Mixer. Whatever you decide to go with I think will work. Especially with the change to panel 3.

The SSG gets lots of love because it does get a great deal of use, it's kind of like the DUSG in some respects. Much loved because of it's many uses.

I will be cool with no matter how this turns out though. I am in no matter what.
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Post by ear ear » Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:25 am

I don't know if this is intentional, but you've got 'processer' on panel one and 'processor' on panel two.
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Post by tojpeters » Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:50 am

Good eye,spelling corrected.

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Post by jamb » Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:39 am

cool, interested to see how this progresses

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Post by En_Annan » Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:56 am

The gate on panel 1 has to be there, otherwise we're out of vcas.

I suggest we stick with panel 1 as it is in the first post, and then replace the send/return on panel 3 with a mixer. That way, everything is covered I think.

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Post by oldenjon » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:23 am

The new layouts look great! especially with the inclusion of SSG.
En_Annan wrote:The gate on panel 1 has to be there, otherwise we're out of vcas.

I suggest we stick with panel 1 as it is in the first post, and then replace the send/return on panel 3 with a mixer. That way, everything is covered I think.

I tend to agree about keeping the VCA.
My suggestion is this:
Keep the mixer on panel 1
Drop the mixer from panel 2 and replace it with a VCA.
For a small system 1 dedicated mixer is probably sufficient.
Don't forget, the stereo mixer is a mixer too!
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Post by tojpeters » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:02 pm

The DCSM can be thought of as 2 VCAs, plus the 2 LPG/VCAs on panel 3

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Post by oldenjon » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:06 pm

tojpeters wrote:The DCSM can be thought of as 2 VCAs
Yeah just noticed the Aux inputs are missing from your DCSM
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Post by tojpeters » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:10 pm

That makes room for the VC pan depth jack.
One could also use the space for AM jack.

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Post by tojpeters » Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:08 pm

A quick solo mod demo- not musical,just proof of concept.


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Post by tojpeters » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:28 pm

Artwork has been submitted, i'll start taking money once I get a quote back.
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Post by lintfresh » Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:20 pm

Really cool stuff Jon.
I'd jump on all three if I could afford it.

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Post by En_Annan » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:22 am

tojpeters wrote:Artwork has been submitted, i'll start taking money once I get a quote back.
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Wise decision!

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Post by PraxisCat » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:30 pm

tojpeters wrote:Artwork has been submitted, i'll start taking money once I get a quote back.
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Awesome. If need be PM me on the book of faces. I do want these, just not the best at keeping track of MW.
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Post by lcf » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:59 pm

tojpeters wrote:Anybody hate this?

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Sorry, is it the final version? :hide:

EDIT : I'm still in for panel #1
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