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need help to find some modulation for my system

Post by noisefield » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:19 pm

hi !
winter is coming and christmas too ...
so i want to find i little gift for my modular : )
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here is my current set up

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as you can see my system lacks of modulations and i want take one module but don't really know which to choose

another thing, i don't have an big budget

i want modulation to make noise drone things
for basic sounds my system is ok for some melodies ( may be lack an lfo )
for the time to make drone i frequently use my rs60 with fast settings to make audio rate modulations in the cv in of my vco, filter, vca and really like this

i hesitate between the pittsburgh bender, the make noise functions , doepfer a 143 1 ...
i'm sure there are a lot of things but don't know all

thanks for your help

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Post by Hainbach » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:22 pm

I love the way Maths plays with my R-modules. You can really dial in the sweet spots. So I'd take a Function if I where you, but I do more rhythm orientated patches.

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Post by thermionicjunky » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:45 pm

Take a look at Chaotica from Elby Designs or the Makenoise Wogglebug.

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Post by noisefield » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:47 pm

ok
will i arrive to have long cycle with the function alone ( as the only modulation with no modules plug in the function ) ?

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Post by noisefield » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:09 pm

yes i like a lot the wogglebug but want a more classic modulation before take it ( i will take it one day )
i'm interested by the chaotica too but don't really find a lot of demos
do you know where can i find it ?

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Post by mkndr » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:44 am

I have to say - the Wogglebug really opened my eyes to randomness in a way that Maths didn't. Not to say Maths isn't absolutely worth it - it is. But the Wogglebug can actually rewire your assumptions about modulation. I'm sure any source of randomness does the same, but that was my experience.

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Post by mkndr » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:45 am

(erm - just to be clear, Maths doesn't do random, but having aperiodic cycles can create the appearance of randomness)

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Post by noisefield » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:04 pm

i really like wogglebug and chaotica but it's a little pricy for the time and maybe i will take a more classical modulation but don't know which ...
really need help

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Post by peripatitis » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:07 pm

Many choices out there.
you could probably start cheap by adding a noise source like the doepfer a118 which includes a s&h as well.
Also something like the bubblesound ulfo that has long cycles and many outputs could help for longer structures.

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Post by wejhead » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:42 pm

I think the Pittsburgh bender is a great option for what you want to do at a super reasonable price. Wogglebug too though.

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Post by noisefield » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:19 pm

is the chaotica kit is easy to build ?
the problem is that i like chaotica and woggle but have to choose
i like the bender and the function
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Post by Dcramer » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:57 pm

Bender is a great inexpensive option! As you have a uTriatt you could also go with some very inexpensive LFOs and mix their CVs for cool wobbles. I use stuff like Dalek, Vulcan, and Cyclotron for this kinda thing. :party:

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Post by dj_bluefalcon » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:58 pm

I tend to like envelopes for modulations. They aren't bipolar, which is a sort of tradeoff, but I feel like cycling envelopes give a shifting timbre some breath, some sort of organic natural feeling. I personally don't like the periodicity of an LFO all the time, unless it's too slow to be perceived as an LFO, or if the waveform is consistently shifting.

I say go for a Maths, if you can spring it. Then you get two cycling envelopes with mult-ed outs, attenuators and offsets, and a few trigger outputs. I was sort of an avid anti-Maths hater, but didn't fully understand its potential until I got one, and it quickly found its way to the heart of the majority of my patches. I got it with an Invy and a mults, and had just about all the modulation sources I needed for a 6U system.

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Post by donpuzo » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:24 pm

For the chaotica, maybe this page helps:
http://home.comcast.net/~ijfritz/Chaos/ ... aotica.htm

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Post by beyourdog » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:43 pm

You lack a second Envelop and an LFO...

Get a Maths... :twisted: :mad: :hmm: :yay: :roll: :eek: :omg: :tu:

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Post by ferran » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:39 am

You need the obvious Maths 8_)

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Post by noisefield » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:09 pm

thanks really !
now the choice is between function, maths bender, chaotica, wogglebug ...
really help :hihi:

to be more serious i really like the idea of having some chaos in my system to make noise drones
the question is will i really lack "classic" modulations
for classic sounds the metasonix r60 seem to have a built in lfo to control the pitch of the oscillator but i have never test it and i can control the vca and the envelope with the rs60

modular world is difficult :bang:

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Post by thermionicjunky » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:27 pm

Chaotica can easily be setup for calm, periodic modulation. In single-eye/tame mode, the non-linearity can be turned down and gain and damping can be balanced to produce a 3-phase LFO with a reset function. Eventually, you will want a comparator + sample&hold in order to get the most out of it. The TGTSH is ideal, but Maths and Function could be useful as well.

Your system could use all of the mentioned modules, so you could really just add them one by one in whichever order is convenient.

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Post by noisefield » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:24 pm

the more time passes, the more i like the chaotica but it's really expensive in module format
maybe i will take it in kit but don't have a lot of electronic material juste an iron solder and a voltmeter and i'm far to be an expert

effectively i can have all but i prefer limit my system and really have a deep use of it so i have to make choices

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Post by en c rmato » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:30 pm

+1 for bubblesound ulfo.It is nice having a complex lfo that goes quite musical in audio range!
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Post by noisefield » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:46 pm

so i have to add ulfo on the list :bang:

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Post by thermionicjunky » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:54 pm

noisefield wrote:the more time passes, the more i like the chaotica but it's really expensive in module format
maybe i will take it in kit but don't have a lot of electronic material juste an iron solder and a voltmeter and i'm far to be an expert
You don't need much more than that, particularly with the Euro kit. The module requires no calibration.

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Post by noisefield » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:56 pm

ok thanks maybe i will try that it seems to be a good option
if i take this i will certainly bye a doepfer noise and randon generator to complete the system

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Post by kwaidan » Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:15 pm

If you're in France, check out the eowave dual lfo for 66 euros (79 w/ VAT).

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