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Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by soggybag » Mon May 11, 2020 12:02 am

I had been watching prices on these for the last few months and lately they have just gone straight up. You would see these in the low $400 and now they are all over $600 on Reverb.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by Voltcontrol » Mon May 11, 2020 12:13 am

A pure guess: People expecting more excitement around it because of the upcoming Subharmonicon launch?

Asking price for used ones seems to be around the $500 mark (EU).
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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by thetwlo » Mon May 11, 2020 12:21 am

used or new?
how are you analyzing this?
what is "expensive" to you?

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by Jumbuktu » Mon May 11, 2020 12:28 am

They are AUD1,500 here. That's about USD1,000. I would buy one at USD600.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by bemushroomed » Mon May 11, 2020 12:42 am

sounds really expensive.. translating from SEK; they're around $460 here (used). New ones are around $600... usually music gear is like 30% more expensive here than in the US, sometimes more.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by Risc_Terilia » Mon May 11, 2020 12:45 am

Hype about V2 firmware?

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by soggybag » Mon May 11, 2020 12:48 am

If they go for $650 new $600 used is expensive to me any.

Take a look at the historical price graph on Reverb. The chart shows the price from May last year. Used the selling price is around $440. Then in April this year the prices just go up.

This could be related to COVID-19. There seems to be only one used unit at the moment. Maybe things aren’t moving on the used market for the last month.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by lilskullymane » Mon May 11, 2020 1:10 am

not seeing any used ones for sale on reverb atm. that price graph though!

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by sko87pro » Mon May 11, 2020 1:58 am

A while ago I priced the parts that Mother has, like I was going to build it from scratch. I figured M32 was expensive, but in relative (modular) terms it’s cheaper than going for separates. Even, “good value”. Of course, separates give you many more functions and flexibility.

The cost came to $1,262 USD excluding case and power, ignoring tax and shipping, so it would be closer to $1,500 in reality. The rack is here, it’s quite a nice starter system:

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/1207209

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/m ... 207209.jpg

By contrast, Mother-32 gives you:

VCO
LFO
VCF (HP or LP)
AD envelope
VCA
VC mixer (unusual, nice feature)
Buffered mult
Noise source
Output stage (line out, ‘phones)
External input
Patch bay
Midi interface
Step sequencer with memories
Small keyboard
60hp case with rails
Power supply

It’s probably cheaper if you pick a semi-modular without the Moog brand! For the price, I’m happy with mine, a great intro to modular for me.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by Licudi » Mon May 11, 2020 2:34 am

The price of a new Mother-32 in the UK is about £520 - more or less the same as when it was released (£499) - but there's lots of secondhand units about, usually selling for between £350-400. They retain their value well given it's a five-years-old product.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by Parnelli » Mon May 11, 2020 6:57 am

Because it says MOOG on the front and it's worth it, that's why.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by PermafrostCat » Mon May 11, 2020 9:39 am

Tell me if I'm wrong, but Moog products had one or two price increases in the past year or two. The situation is worse outside of the US. In Canada for instance, the dollar value is lower than it were when the Mother-32 was released. I know it cost about 800$ canadian dollars a few years ago. It's now 950$. The Sub Phatty was 1000$, the Sub25 is now 1250$... This situation is similar in other countries. So, I guess it's a mix of sevral factors : small price increase, weak economy right now (trade war with china and now pandemic), brand value... People pay higher prices all around the world. It has to impact second hand market.

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Post by Dragonaut » Mon May 11, 2020 11:12 am

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by Dragonaut » Mon May 11, 2020 11:13 am

They stopped selling for the introductory price. You could get one of these new for 550 up until recently. Kind of a trend in music gear in general. I think I got mine a few years ago for 500 by talking down a Sweetwater rep during a sale.
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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by Bath House » Mon May 11, 2020 11:21 am

If you look, you’ll find this trend across almost all used gear on reverb and it’s clearly a result of Covid. A few theories, and it’s probably some combination of:

1. People got stimulus money and have been buying gear so the used supply is much smaller

2. Many people are unwilling to go ship things right now so I’ve seen some people pull their inventory. Again = smaller supply

4. People in unexpected financial straits are selling and trying to get maximum for what they have, plus many people who aren’t experienced sellers are suddenly finding themselves having to sell without knowing what pricing norms are = inflated prices

4. People are stuck at home and gear brings comfort so more are buying.

Lower supply + higher demand = higher prices
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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by soggybag » Mon May 11, 2020 12:37 pm

Bath House wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 11:21 am
If you look, you’ll find this trend across almost all used gear on reverb and it’s clearly a result of Covid. A few theories, and it’s probably some combination of:

1. People got stimulus money and have been buying gear so the used supply is much smaller

2. Many people are unwilling to go ship things right now so I’ve seen some people pull their inventory. Again = smaller supply

4. People in unexpected financial straits are selling and trying to get maximum for what they have, plus many people who aren’t experienced sellers are suddenly finding themselves having to sell without knowing what pricing norms are = inflated prices

4. People are stuck at home and gear brings comfort so more are buying.

Lower supply + higher demand = higher prices
I think you’re right. Anecdotally, I had a couple things on Reverb, and I’m hoping no buys them because I don’t want to go to the post office. Secondly, there is only one used Mother 32, the rest are all new, and last the price history graph just climbs after April.

So COVID-19 is definitely affecting the used gear market.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by colossus » Mon May 11, 2020 12:47 pm

^ I’ve been making ample use of USPS pickup. It’s pretty great.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by Bbman » Mon May 11, 2020 12:54 pm

Hand made by people earning a living wage. It is not like anyone at Moog is making the fortunes of the "tech giants." Basic problem we seem to have is that we do not want to pay for something so that our neighbors can earn a living. Obviously, if everyone in the US bought one of these, the price could drop based on economies of scale. We just do not have enough people who want to make music.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by GuyaGuy » Mon May 11, 2020 1:11 pm

soggybag wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 12:02 am
I had been watching prices on these for the last few months and lately they have just gone straight up. You would see these in the low $400 and now they are all over $600 on Reverb.
They're all over $600 because they're new. The only used one is from a shop that often has slightly higher prices.

Recent eBay sales show sales have been $375-550.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by soggybag » Mon May 11, 2020 1:21 pm

Bbman wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 12:54 pm
Hand made by people earning a living wage. It is not like anyone at Moog is making the fortunes of the "tech giants." Basic problem we seem to have is that we do not want to pay for something so that our neighbors can earn a living. Obviously, if everyone in the US bought one of these, the price could drop based on economies of scale. We just do not have enough people who want to make music.
There’s definitely an imbalance. Things are cheap but wages low. In general people feel many things should cost little to nothing. We also have access to many cheap things so we feel wealthy but many things that should cost less are breaking us like rent and health care.

Magazines would be a great example. You’d have to pay for the content but you’d have some guarantee to a level of quality. These days everything is free on the internet but the quality and content are all over the map. You really have to search to find good things but no wants to pay for it so there’s no incentive to write quality.

Software is another. Everyone expects apps to be free but then they are saddled with ads and in app purchases, and other compromises so developers can make some money. In the old days you’d have to buy an application like Photoshop, and it was a few hundred bucks but you could use it, it was solid, no ads, and there were no strings attached. </mini-rant>

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by slaverevoltinaesthetics » Mon May 11, 2020 5:16 pm

Jumbuktu wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 12:28 am
They are AUD1,500 here. That's about USD1,000. I would buy one at USD600.
I live in Australia too. It looks like many of the Moog products have gone up in price here. A Grandmother is now retailing for AUD $2299 with a $1799 to $1949 sale price at some establishments. Late 2019 it was still retailing at $1349, but the the price was beginning to creep up and that was pre-COVID.

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Post by Faastwalker » Thu May 21, 2020 12:54 am

slaverevoltinaesthetics wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 5:16 pm
Jumbuktu wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 12:28 am
They are AUD1,500 here. That's about USD1,000. I would buy one at USD600.
I live in Australia too. It looks like many of the Moog products have gone up in price here. A Grandmother is now retailing for AUD $2299 with a $1799 to $1949 sale price at some establishments. Late 2019 it was still retailing at $1349, but the the price was beginning to creep up and that was pre-COVID.
I bought a DFAM new for $849 a few months back. They're now $1499!! The Subharmonicon will launch around the same price.

I believe it has a lot to do with the orange bastardo currently in the White house! :bang:

https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2018 ... says-moog/

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by nectarios » Thu May 21, 2020 2:14 am

Cause it says Moog on it. Its still made of cheap Chinese parts.
The Subharmonicon is 835€!
If its worth it, or not, is up to anyone's taste.

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Re: Why is the Mother 32 so expensive?

Post by Parnelli » Thu May 21, 2020 6:25 am

I purchased both of my little Mothers new on sale for 500 us bucks each, which was 100 bucks of retail then. I see they jumped in price by 50 bucks last year, simple supply and demand? How many are they selling I wonder? It's a brilliant idea from a well established synth pioneer that's very flexable.

Hand built? I've been in industrial electronics for over 40 years, my experience and education command a rate of 30 to 40 bucks an hour income in a normal economy, but we aren't in a normal economy, we're in uncharted territory and flying by the seat of our pants.

And I'm laid off, along with tens of millions of others.

Hey... that 1200 dollar check from the government will still almost get you 2...

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