Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by autopoiesis » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:30 am

the new v1.8 firmware is live now: http://www.industrialmusicelectronics.com/products/21

and also v1.7 (same fix) for the Donut: http://www.industrialmusicelectronics.com/products/22

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by droningspaghettimonster » Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:09 am

:love:

edit: a little hype post while waiting for finishing work. and truly excited about these enchantments!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pickit3-Progra ... 2749.l2649

here is reasonably priced and fast delivery pickit3 within europe, confirmed to work. :hyper:

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by abozzelli » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:09 pm

updated and lag issue is gone :sb:

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by abozzelli » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:53 am

abozzelli wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:09 pm
updated and lag issue is gone :sb:
I may have spoken too soon. It’s me or the lag it’s still there?

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Post by jwise » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:38 pm

abozzelli wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:53 am
I may have spoken too soon. It’s me or the lag it’s still there?
Two of us prior to Scott releasing this firmware update measured 0.003s latency. One against the Dixie and me against the Synthtech E370.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by droningspaghettimonster » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:53 am

i passed on 1.7 due to supposed lag issues, but can definitely notice difference with hdmk3. the fm enchantments are great, freeing up vcas is always welcome. interested to see what's coming for bionic lester mk3 since the lunch firmware has been relatively stable. i've reported some strange low click sounds when morphing into distortion on low harmonic content but never received reply.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by jwise » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:34 am

abozzelli wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:53 am
abozzelli wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:09 pm
updated and lag issue is gone :sb:
I may have spoken too soon. It’s me or the lag it’s still there?
So what's your final verdict? Are you seeing something that should be brought to the developer's attention?

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Post by autopoiesis » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:08 am

as mentioned, the pitch lag now is about 3 milliseconds compared to an analog oscillator. I can now say with full confidence that I don't hear any delayed pitch shifting artifacts when I send it through a vca with a zero-attack envelope, even compared to my Dixie. ymmv I guess.

for what it's worth, the pitch lag was always there, not exacerbated by v1.7. it was about 6 milliseconds before.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by abozzelli » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:10 pm

jwise wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:34 am
abozzelli wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:53 am
abozzelli wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:09 pm
updated and lag issue is gone :sb:
I may have spoken too soon. It’s me or the lag it’s still there?
So what's your final verdict? Are you seeing something that should be brought to the developer's attention?
I think the problem is still there (or maybe something wrong on my side). This is a simple 2 step sequence, first step with a C2 note, second step with a C7 note (phone quality, sorry), Maths/Moddemix as simple env/vca:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppxr00io7oqv2 ... 6.MOV?dl=0

When C2 is triggered you can hear the step starting with a C7 frequency, like there's a lag between the note start and the Piston Honda updating his pitch.
I thought it can be a Stillson Hammer bug, sending gate/cv at slightly different times, but using another OSC (maths second channel as osc) everything works as expected.
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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by Nightly Closures » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:42 pm

I can’t remember what they call it, but have you tried to change how the CV reacts on the Stillson Hammer (Shift and CV or something like that)?

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by abozzelli » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:33 am

Nightly Closures wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:42 pm
I can’t remember what they call it, but have you tried to change how the CV reacts on the Stillson Hammer (Shift and CV or something like that)?
I’ve tried both mode without success. In the video shift+cv is enabled.

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Post by droningspaghettimonster » Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:38 am

so, has anyone else noticed that PHmk3 doesn't respond to negative CV on the frequency CV input jack after the 1.8 firmware update? even tough the setting is "frequency" instead of "fm" the module does not accept negative cv anymore.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by droningspaghettimonster » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:58 pm

guess everyone has been lost in dynamic fm patching since the update. :hihi: really miss those big thru zero fm sweeps in my drones through, one of my favorite feature is lost until this is fixed. anyone else noticed this before/reported to scott?
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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by autopoiesis » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:47 pm

yeah, you're right spaghetti.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by droningspaghettimonster » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:59 pm

I'll send Scott a line

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Post by droningspaghettimonster » Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:56 am

can anyone confirm weather or not that the bug with PHmk3 not accepting negative CV on the frequency CV input was introduced in 1.7 or 1.8? I can live with the pitch lag a little longer if I downgrade to 1.7, otherwise I guess I'm back to 1.6 until this is ironed out. is installing old firmware just like installing a new one? I'm always kinda scared of messing things up...

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by jwise » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:08 am

droningspaghettimonster wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:56 am
is installing old firmware just like installing a new one? I'm always kinda scared of messing things up...
Yes, you can install old versions without worry.

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Post by droningspaghettimonster » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:28 am

thanks, good to know. fixes for PH/HD are incoming!

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Post by scragz » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:40 am

I don't think old versions are listed on the site unfortunately.

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Post by droningspaghettimonster » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:55 am

I've got 1.6 and 1.7, send me pm if you want me to share them with you. Scott is aware of this rather unfortunate bug (and another one in HDmk3 which makes the external fm input inactive under certain circumstances (which can be fixed in the meantime by manually rebooting the module or turn unison on and off)) and told me fixes are up soon. :party:

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by bisquick » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:08 pm

I find that the PH3 seems to remember my settings without saving them explicitly. Is this actually the case?

Also - is there a way to make the PH3 power up w/a specific preset? I couldn't find it (found a behavior like this in the Kermit).

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Post by jwise » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:04 pm

bisquick wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:08 pm
Also - is there a way to make the PH3 power up w/a specific preset? I couldn't find it (found a behavior like this in the Kermit).
Press and hold the Encoder then press Link. The option is like the third one down.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by bisquick » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:13 am

jwise wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:04 pm
bisquick wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:08 pm
Also - is there a way to make the PH3 power up w/a specific preset? I couldn't find it (found a behavior like this in the Kermit).
Press and hold the Encoder then press Link. The option is like the third one down.
thx!!

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by soggybag » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:36 pm

Is there a way to control the amount FM with a CV?

OSC B is normalized to the FM input, and it sounds good to turn the FM attenuator. It works if I send OSC B through a VCA. It would need and tidy if I could get it to all work on the module.

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Re: Piston Honda MKIII dual morphing wavetable oscillator

Post by Leverkusen » Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:39 am

WIth the latest firmware update you can set the CV input to FM amount in the settings menue.

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