sute case modular in a granular style for a blind person

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sute case modular in a granular style for a blind person

Post by sound warrior » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:55 pm

Hey all i'm trey from the Uk I'm totally blind and I only have the use of one hand because of cerebral palsy.

I have decided to go the modular root for digital and granular synthesis because it would be more accessible and flexible than any current software option.

I would like a suitcase modular because its compact and can be carried around easily.

I was wondering if you all would please help me pick some good modules in the euro rack format, I have all reddy had the following recommendations.

osc's tiptop audio z3000 and mutable instruments braids, i would like 4 oscs.

filters inteligell korgazmatron or melico dule bord, agane i would like 2 filters.

sequencers the doepfa a-155/a-154 I'm also interested in the plog by intelijel
mixers the steady state fate mix mode and intelijel Mutamix.

VCA's the intelijel Linx and Make noise Optomix.

for env's i was recommended the doepfa quode ADSR.

I've also been looking in to the Make noise DPO and make noise maths, and the doepfa clock divider a-160/a-161.

what does every one think to that list? good for a blind person? Any other recommendations? Also what kind of suitcase should I get?

I hope you can help with the start of my modular jerny :) kind regards trey.

ps i would like to include the make noise phonigine and audio dammage grane shifter with another make noise delay thing (not the hacker phone) Also what midi to cv converter would you guys recommend?

thanks agane your help would be most welcome kind regards trey.

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Post by Ginko » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:23 pm

There are a lot of questions to answer here and I'm just about to go to bed so I will try to remember to log on and answer some of these tomorrow - I just wanted to say that I am in Newport South Wales, if you are anywhere nearby I would be happy to travel over to help you set the system up - I think you have a good selection of modules that generally will be fine - braids has some degree of visual feedback in the form of a digital display but I think it just tells you what oscillator type you have selected, so it probably isn't a big deal. There are a bunch of other digital oscillators that are also very popular including the Morphing Terrarium and Modcan Dualwave. I think you will be really into the Phonogene if you want to do granular style stuff. The intellijel Quadra may be an alternative to the Doepfer ADSR but you will get good results from either.

As for the case, Dan from Space Case ltd. custom made me a deep skiff recently, the build quality was great and I think the price was very decent. He can build you a skiff pretty much straight into a flightcase as well and also does a range of racks called the Space Case Babies which are very tasty folding setups for portability - if you talk to him he can custom build you something to suit your needs

Woops I ended up answering most of that!

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Post by felixer » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:26 am

hi trey, welcome!
you are mentioning quite a few modules. those are not going to fit in a 6U case ... how compact/portable do you want to be? do you really need midi?
but thumbs up on getting a modular! easily the most hands-on synth.
great that ginko is offering help :hug: setting up a case is always tricky. even with eyesight :lol:
re modules: start off with a few and don't fill up your case in one go. you will need small utilities to keep a system going. boring and unglamourous, but essential. you need to budget hp and some money for those ...

my fave digital osc is the e350 morphing terrarium. can be very clean/smooth but extremely glitchy too. just got a ataraxic translator and that is much simpler but fun too. very digital :twisted:
maybe take a look at the QUbit nebulae?
korgasmatron is already a dual filter. and very versatile. should keep you going for a while, methinks ...
a155/154 combo is great. a bit on the large side, but i can't think of any other that is so flexible yet straightforward to operate :tu:
grainshifter is beautiful. def get that one.
cv-wise i'd get some random generators like a149 or a118+a148. instead of math you could get the a171-2: only one channel so it's more compact.

lot's of choices. you'll just have to try things out to see if it clicks with you. very personal. maybe some shop or other wiggles around where you can get a feel for things? it will take some time to get a nice set together, but it's a great journey 8_)

have fun :tu:
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Post by robbert » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:44 am

Hi, I cannot answer what modules are suited for blind people. But my question is - out of interest not trying to say anything negativ etc. - how will you know what is an output and what is an input? Just by try and error or will you learn the layouts first and then remember what is what? If so I would recommend to start with few modules since not every module will be happy to have mixed up its outputs for inputs. And with the plan to start with four oscillators, two filter etc. you can accitently patch something wrong quite easily I guess. Happens to me, too.

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Post by Summa » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:00 am

I'm just guessing now but, as a blind person you can read Braille? Just stick them to the various jacks on the faceplate and you should be all right! I do a lot of shows live and lighting is sometimes an issue, it might even be in total darkness, but by setting up a range of controllers like Make Noise PressurePoints or joysticks you could easily control the modular. There's also an very interesting controller for the modular made by Italian manufacturer sound machines called Brain Interface that might be of interest for a person in your situation, I'd love to try out one of those one day!

here's a link to that module:

http://www.sound-machines.it/index.php/ ... interface/

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Post by Summa » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:02 am

Oh by the way, a friend of mine did a workshop on modulars for a bunch of kids in ages 6-15 that was all blind, I'll show him this thread as he might have some things to add to this.

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Post by VanEck » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:17 am

While Braids is a good oscillator, not sure I would recommend it to someone who is blind as it is all menu based.

I would assume that modules that have everything right up front for you feel out and wiggle would be more gratifying, such as the Piston Honda mkII, or Atlantis, or Rubicon... even the AFG if you can acquire one; big knobs, easy to tweak.
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Post by robbert » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:33 am

BTW, I am not completly sure you will achive the "granular style" in the modular world you might get from the software world out there.

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Post by euromorcego » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:50 am

interesting! I have seen at least one guy who removed all markings on his modules to be able to patch by by ear only, and not be distracted by what the manufacturer says one should do.
I'd personally prefer marking input/outputs (maybe hex vs knurled nuts), but it might not even be needed.

That said, I would not start with 4 osc at once. It is usually recommended to start with a a few modules and then find out what you feel is lacking in the setup and what suits your working style best.

I also don't know what 'granular style' really is, but one oscillator, a source of randomness (wogglebug?), maybe an echo/sampler, plus filter, VCA, and utilities should get you started ...

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Post by arnoux » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:53 am

Hi Trey!

I'd add just an idea, it would be useful for you to swap the knobs to get a sort of "touch coding" in every module:

- rubber ones for say CV attenuators
- plastic feel for cut off frequency on a filter and frequency on an oscillator

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Post by Ginko » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:07 am

Just want to say that I was teaching a blind student to use Pro Tools software recently so he could do spatial audio mixes using a digital desk, if he could do that then operating a modular synth will be peanuts :P

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Post by Nuuj » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:29 am

While I'm sure it would be rough for any of us sighted folks to wiggle while blind folded, I really don't think it would be that hard for the blind to wiggle with just a little guidance and some additional tactile references.

I'd recommend one or More Audio Damage Grainshifts.
Actually I think the whole Audio Damage line would be good choices in this case.

To the original poster, do you want to process sounds from outside the modular?
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Post by Nuuj » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:33 am

VanEck wrote:While Braids is a good oscillator, not sure I would recommend it to someone who is blind as it is all menu based.

I would assume that modules that have everything right up front for you feel out and wiggle would be more gratifying, such as the Piston Honda mkII, or Atlantis, or Rubicon... even the AFG if you can acquire one; big knobs, easy to tweak.
Unless you want to get into the more obtuse advance settings, Braids is actually really simple as an Osc.
You don't need to see the display to know which model you are in.
You can count from either end of the list, and with some experience one will soon be able to recognize each mode by ear.
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Post by Cat-A-Tonic » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:53 am

I think a Hinton SwitchMix would be good for you.

You can set up the routings,
and then switch through them at the touch of a button.

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Post by Nuuj » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:53 am

I would think a Soundmachines LP1lightplane would be a great controller module for a one handed blind person.

http://www.sound-machines.it/?page_id=45

As would the Intellijel Planar:

http://www.intellijel.com/eurorack-modules/planar/
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Post by Nuuj » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:01 am

sound warrior, you would probably get better more accurate module recommendations, if you provided some examples of music that you are hoping to sound similar to.
https://rnuuja.bandcamp.com/album/this- ... oepuss-phd
https://soundcloud.com/r-nuuja
http://www.facebook.com/are.nuuja
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Post by StoneLaw » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:59 am

I was thinking the same thing about braids, about it being a slightly visual module but it might not be a big deal at all either. I would think modules with less menus and no menu diving would be the best ie clock dividers over pamela's workout.

I might suggest (as is suggested for anyone starting a new modular) to start slowly. Don't buy all of your modules at once, as many modules are capable of doing many things so you might end up with overlap, and also because what you think you want before you start the modular will end up different from what you get and what you actually need. It's hard to picture all of the possibilities but once you start wiggling you'll discover "I could really use a module that does this function," or "I wish I could do this". etc.

I knew a guy who was blind who could just power his way around Digital Performer using shortcuts... like way faster than I can use protools and I run protools for a living. I'm sure most blind people are far more capable at anything than I am without my glasses.

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Post by sound warrior » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:11 pm

hey all, thanks for the recommendations, ide like to make techno or grime with a different but musical sound pallet.

please could some one pm me links to the digital oscs that where recommended?

also i was recommended an east wick case, I know the standard practise is to buy some modules then add more but as i couldn't fit them my self i think it would be better to buy all the once i want.

The mane stumbling block for me is the seq i'm looking for a 16 step one with onboard quontizer and swing.

Do people think the motropoluss would be a good option?

thanks for all your help!! you've all been grate!!

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Post by sloth713 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:24 pm

sound warrior wrote:The mane stumbling block for me is the seq i'm looking for a 16 step one with onboard quontizer and swing.
The Doepfer Darktime can do all of that, has a great tactile feel, seamlessly integrates into a eurorack system and can control midi gear too. Though it is a stand alone sequencer instead of a module, I prefer that actually. Each step has a knob and two switches to control it so you could put a rubber cap on one switch to tell which switch is which.

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Post by sound warrior » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:47 pm

cool what's the situation with the dark times pattern memory I thought it didn't have one? and how important is the led based menu system for operating the dark time?

Also can you input notes from a midi keyborred then select the step they are to go on with the dark time?

kind regards trey.

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Post by sloth713 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:02 pm

The Darktime does not have pattern memory, to me that is appealing because I like to start from a clean slate each time. The menu system is very simple and at most only require you to hold a button and turn a knob. The only thing I could think of where the LEDs are kind of helpful is setting the clock divisions but honestly I think you would figure out how to adjust it by ear quickly.

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Post by sloth713 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:19 pm

Also another thing to consider with a sequencer is if a knob or slider interface would work better for you. The Darktime's pots have knobs while the Metropolis uses sliders.

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Post by sound warrior » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:21 pm

what does the matropoless use sliders for?? and how good do you think it would be for a blind person??

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Post by sloth713 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:41 pm

There Metropolis has sliders potentiometers for pitch control instead of the more common knob potentiometers. Some people love sliders, I don't mind them but I prefer knobs, it is all a personal work flow thing. Though for a blind person sliders might be nice, that way you could feel where the slider is relative to the minimum and maximum positions with out having to change its value. If you like knobs you could always just put tactile makers on the knob tops to tell their position. Once again it is mostly a workflow thing so think about whether knobs or sliders would work best with your workflow and personal wiggling style.

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Post by morphic » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:55 pm

a fully expanded Turing machine could be cool as a random sequencer with the slider section also ...
+1 on the lightplane

maybe try to get to one of the modular meets in the country if one is local to you and someone cant take you along I'm sure all the wigglers there would be more than happy to help you with your choices

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