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xart
applause

Bert Vermeulen <bl.vermeulen@XXX.com> Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:32
Cc: fenix.modulair
Hi,

Here is a short update about the fenix XL.

I am working now at some prototypes of the Fenix GT. This is the
sequencer (XL1) and the synth (XL2) in one case.
In March I hope that I could finish these prototypes end of May but I
was too optimistic. The front panels has been arrived this week but
the screen-print of the front is not ok. Assembling and testing the 54
pcb will take also more time. I have in May also other obligations so
I could not spend enough time at the prototype.
The result is that making a decision to start a production will be
delayed. I want first build the prototypes and the unit must be test
by a number of people and rate the different modules, find issues and
improvements. Also I must investigate production capacity and parts
availability.

At http://dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL_QA.html I will post the answers of
the questions I got. The answers will be updated when needed

At http://dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL.html you can see the front panel,

If you have any questions, please mail me.

I will give you an update next month.

Bert

Rawk!
SynthBaron
eek!
citizen mori
O_O

my synton fenix is my dirtiest non buchla secret.
Reese P. Dubin
Its no secret at all that I adore my Fenix.

While it is a total cult item, it is completely underrated.

Bring em on.
2012
oeps seems the synth and seq will be on one panel now
mono-poly
That is just the panel for the 3 test systems.
I think the actual ones might be different.
Now they are about 1mtr in size.
science
Very cool. This is the first I had heard of the new Fenix.
Reptil
very exciting!
sascha.victoria
Synton Syrinx is the synth I've wanted most for quite some time. Too bad they're so damn rare!
Bricks
Admittedly I haven't done much homework on the Synton cult stuff other than a little reading. Anyone have any links to good sound clips? There are those weird vids on youtube...
Reptil
Bricks wrote:
Admittedly I haven't done much homework on the Synton cult stuff other than a little reading. Anyone have any links to good sound clips? There are those weird vids on youtube...


+1 on more examples. (some handson tweaking of different functions might be handy, with good sound quality, for those not in the know (me))
2012
mono-poly wrote:
That is just the panel for the 3 test systems.
I think the actual ones might be different.
Now they are about 1mtr in size.


ah,ok
Reptil
since the sequencer (looks good!) is banana it would be smart to get a banana synth to go with it, right? It would be my first step into bananaland
I'd say to Bert: Don't hold back please, include any freaky circuit that you can. (and I understand from users, you got a acouple in your pocket.
very exciting!
hihi It's peanut butter jelly time!
ix
love to know where the fenix stuff sits in serge / buchla / moog / roland / toneworld.....you know , why is it regarded so highly ? filter ? weirdness ?how does it sound ?

Reptil wrote:
since the sequencer (looks good!) is banana it would be smart to get a banana synth to go with it, right? It would be my first step into bananaland
I'd say to Bert: Don't hold back please, include any freaky circuit that you can. (and I understand from users, you got a acouple in your pocket.
very exciting!
hihi It's peanut butter jelly time!
mono-poly
I guess you can compare it best with modcan.
chrisso
ix wrote:
love to know where the fenix stuff sits in serge / buchla / moog / roland / toneworld.....you know , why is it regarded so highly ? filter ? weirdness ?how does it sound ?


The thing I can say is the Fenix does a ton of interesting things, and it sounds nice.
As for being so highly regarded that prices for used ones are way up there..... I think rarity and cult status are the major reason.
Yes, the Fenix is sort of Modcan-ish.
The filters sound different and they are good. You get three and they give you varied features. Same with the three oscillators.
The Fenix is packed with sounds..... all good.
It isn't weird like Serge or Buchla. I would put it on the same level as Modcan for build quality and sound.
If I did a soundfile demo for you, you'd say it was a great sounding synth, but also realise it isn't so different from other similar synths.
It was a bit of a bargain at the original asking price, but a bit over priced now..... well for the money I've heard them selling for lately.
Reptil
thanks!
ok... hmmm hmmm..... modcan eh?
less weird than Serge?
hmmmmmmm
mono-poly
The Fenix stuff is not designed with an west coast filisophy like most modcan stuff isn't.
If you want cool westcoast stuff get Wiard, Serge, Buchla.
All other stuff is more designed for substractive synthesis.
Reptil
mmmmm hmmm.....

ok, we'll see.... still 2 and something months to decide w00t
mono-poly
There might be a little change i can review it.
Reptil
yes please!
nanners Rockin' Banana! It's peanut butter jelly time!
mono-poly
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL.html

Pics off 2 off the 3 prototypes witch are gonna get build.
And witch will be used for testing.

Last Sunday i've seen the "missing knob" proto sequencer in real life.
It's an amazing thing and i am trying to get some stuff added by Bert.
wetterberg
those are the most insane systems around. Please do a bunch of videos/audio when/if you get close to them.
Reese P. Dubin
Oh fuck me.

Feeling Ill, must have both.

I like the look of the patchbay on the original much better, however it would never work with SO many more jacks on the new model.

Keep us updated please, Marc and Bert have been pretty quiet and I dont wanna bug them, and take time away from getting these done for me to buy.
mono-poly
wetterberg wrote:
those are the most insane systems around. Please do a bunch of videos/audio when/if you get close to them.


Will do.

Reese P. Dubin wrote:
Oh fuck me.

Feeling Ill, must have both.

I like the look of the patchbay on the original much better, however it would never work with SO many more jacks on the new model.

Keep us updated please, Marc and Bert have been pretty quiet and I dont wanna bug them, and take time away from getting these done for me to buy.


On the new ones the knobs feel really better.
This one will be done by Bert only i think.

And remember the 3 test systems will be sequencer and synth in one.

After that probbaly the synth and sequencer gonna be build as a single device and might differ from the 3 prototypes.

That's what i know and can tell so far.
Peake
hewly krep
citizen mori
i have a spare synton fenix with an encore expressionist and skb popup case which i am wanting to sell, if anyone is interested. a pm would get the chat going! i had not put it to buy and sell just yet as i've not gotten to finding the charger for my camera... it is devoid of electrons for proper use just now. it is certainly not cheap but they are really, really special devices.
LDT
Quote:
i have a spare synton fenix

Haha, not everyday you hear that sentence!
noisewhite
I hope the new fenix knobs aren't the ones on the proto, the old ones were nice, but I have the feeling they will be something like the proto's knobs.
sascha.victoria
Woa! That thing looks redic! Too bad that photo is so small and bad. Any more details Mono?
mono-poly
I can't tell much more as the info witch Bert posted on hiis site.
I've seen the comple prototype no.1 and it looks awesome.
I guess it's abot 38 inch in length.
mono-poly
noisewhite wrote:
I hope the new fenix knobs aren't the ones on the proto, the old ones were nice, but I have the feeling they will be something like the proto's knobs.


The knobs on the proto feel real good.
noisewhite
I wasn't referring to the pots, I remember Bert saying they where Taiwan Alpha, which are very nice, and feel great but I was referring to the knobs that go on the shafts of the pots. I just liked the test equipment look of the fenix 1 black knobs that’s all... I guess I could just replace them...
mono-poly
Ooow it might change, the picture is just the beta machine.
If they go in production they might be different.
mono-poly
There is a new picture from prototype no.1

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL.html

I might gonna check it out Tuesday.
SepticUnderground
marvelous!
Cthulhu

great design
mono-poly
I got a Fenix GT prototype here atm.
It's a Fenix XL1 and XL2 in one cabinet.
Still some bugs in there and a few things gonna change.
But it's a nice sounding system.
Reality Checkpoint
mono-poly wrote:
I got a Fenix GT prototype here atm.
It's a Fenix XL1 and XL2 in one cabinet.
Still some bugs in there and a few things gonna change.
But it's a nice sounding system.


I do not believe you as there are no pictures!
mono-poly
http://twitpic.com/wtmnj
Morley
mono-poly wrote:
http://twitpic.com/wtmnj


How are you finding it?
Really hope these go into production soon. Having sold some stuff, I really will need one!!
mono-poly
It sounds pretty nice and the sequencers are nice.
There's some errors in this one but it's already fun.
Somehow i think it sounds better as the first Fenix.

Once the testings are done Bert will do a very ltd run of the XL1 and XL2.
One is a sequencer and the other the synth.

I'll do some demo's in time.
Morley
Cool. I'm on their list, but who knows if they'll get around to doing enough...
mono-poly
http://www.sendspace.com/file/d74m9e
2 vco's a wavemultiplier and lpg
tj
yes! SlayerBadger!
mono-poly
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL.html

Another sample is added to the website.
tj
mono-poly wrote:
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL.html

Another sample is added to the website.

earlier there were 2 samples. now they're gone? hmmm.....
i didn't get to really hear them because i only had my phone. sad banana
mono-poly
They'lll be back soon i guess.
mono-poly
I got the url of sample2

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/Sound/Dennis-Fenix%2000-005.wav
mono-poly
Sample page is up:


http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL-Sample.html
science
Thanks! I'll have to check those out shortly...
mono-poly
I did program a self playing ambient noodle on the Fenix GT

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL-Sample.html

It's sample 5

w00t
jenamu6
??? dead link
mono-poly
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/Sound/Dennis-Fenix%20GT%20Ambient.mp3
jenamu6
Very nice, thanks Dennis. thumbs up
mono-poly
Thx Jean!
Morley
mono-poly wrote:
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/Sound/Dennis-Fenix%20GT%20Ambient.mp3


very cool!
jenamu6
Dennis, do you think it would be usefull to place myself on the list......cause I know I'm quite late.

I got the money......maybe I can find the patience.
mono-poly
Thx David

Jean it's not a bad idea to do smile
SynthBaron
mono-poly wrote:
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/Sound/Dennis-Fenix%20GT%20Ambient.mp3


MY ASS IS BLEEDING
SMS303
jenamu6 wrote:
Dennis, do you think it would be usefull to place myself on the list......cause I know I'm quite late.


Just do it Jean! SlayerBadger!

Me's on list too plus i can use a ride for pickup very usefull when their build nanners
mono-poly
http://www.sendspace.com/file/99p0s0 seriously, i just don't get it
SMS303
Suddenly .. within 1 week i fell in love twice...

First time was couple of days ago; she's so hot, cute and really organic sensual but don't have any cv or gate inputs...
but's she's so lovely and did i allready said She's really cute?!? love

Second time was just a few minutes ago while i listened the GT Dark demo ..... thumbs up

This babe won't make any sound without permission, does have many cv in-outputs but she won't be so warm and organic as the girl which makes my hart bouncy SlayerBadger!

Hopely i'm so lucky to get both babes; the organic and the electronic one grin
mono-poly
Thx w00t
jenamu6
Damn Dennis, those demo's(and of course Berts permission) have put me on the list.

Even arranged the finances.......so let's hope it will be Fenix time sooner or later. (anybody wants to buy a kidney Mr. Green )
mono-poly
Thx Jean!
ex_dead_teenager
this demo is siiiick if I weren't buying a 200e I'd want to get on that list too.
mono-poly
SlayerBadger! thx dude!
mono-poly
The sample is now on the official page to.
I just couldn't wait to share it.


http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL-Sample.html
doepferiano
absolutely wonderful demo...
applause
any digital effect at work here?
mono-poly
Only the ambient piece is used with delay and reverb.
For the rest it's 100% Fenix GT you hear all sounds and trigger/cv generation.
No external mixing used just the internal audiomixer trough a mono output.
xart
Do we have a "price range" on the units yet? I would guess well over 6k USD for the pair? hmmm.....
mono-poly
-What will be the prices?

I don't know the price, because i don't know what i will put in the unit. I don't want to make an expensive instrument but it will be a higher price as the fénix 1. (Was about 1500 euro)

The prototype of the synth has 103 potmeters, 9 switches and 230 banana sockets compared to the fenix 1 which have

63 potmeters, 3 switches and 158 banana sockets.

The prototype of the synth has 3 times the number of ic's compared to the Fenix 1.



-In the Q&A section on the site you said Fenix 1 cost 1500 EURO, and that Fenix 2/3/XL has 3 times the amount of components compared to the Fenix 1. Does this mean the Fenix 2/3/XL is going to cost 3 times the amount the Fenix 1 cost?
Which would make it's price about 4500 EURO, this is extremely expensive, I hope it is not going to cost this much.

The price of a product is not allways related to the number of components. The expensive parts like case, frontpanel, psu are needed only 1 time, testing is not 3 times the time. However some parts and also assembly cost are higher now.
If you looking to the fenix 1 prices in the market 4500 EURO looks to be a fair price, but i don't want to sell it for that high price.
The only thing i can tell it will by higher as 1500 and lower as 4500 euro.
mono-poly
It's still hard to tell because the modular design is not finished yet and we're still testing out stuff and try to update stuff.
xart
The estimated price seems fair and 'in the market'.

As a side note I was just pricing out some Modcan and the price was very close to STS...so much so that for basic modules (i.e. non digital) Serge may even be a better value. . .
Reptil
that Dark piece is really nice.

dance, smilies! DANCE! hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hmmm..... hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper hyper
mono-poly
Thx guys i'm doing my best to get some variations in the demos'
But yeah i am pretty proud on the last 2.
mono-poly
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL-Sample.html

And some stuff is added.
bwhittington
xart wrote:

As a side note I was just pricing out some Modcan and the price was very close to STS...so much so that for basic modules (i.e. non digital) Serge may even be a better value. . .


I totally agree with that. I thought Modcan was at least in the lower end of the ballpark with Buchla pricing, too, before B&A raised its prices. Given that Modcan has a 500 module wait list, it does seem to validate the pricing in the "high-end" tier.

Cheers,
Brian
mono-poly
There's a bunch of new samples.

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL-Sample.html

The end type will be different from the prototype.
citizen mori
mono-poly wrote:
There's a bunch of new samples.

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL-Sample.html

The end type will be different from the prototype.


the html has them as .aif, but the actual files are .mp3 (not that i would mind to have the uncompressed versions!)

really lush. my future will certainly see a new fenix and sequencer alongside my first fenix, syrinx and 221. love

my very first real analog synth was a synton fenix paired with an arp 1621.

thank you for the audio, mp!
mono-poly
The last part samples were not done by me.
I think Mark did those.
I did the Dennis ones.
citizen mori
mono-poly wrote:
The last part samples were not done by me.
I think Mark did those.
I did the Dennis ones.


you bankers are so very honest. oops
mono-poly
Lol i aint no banker.
citizen mori
mono-poly wrote:
Lol i aint no banker.


...aren't all dutch descended from bankers? hmmm..... my mistake again! oops
mono-poly
I think it might be a language problem somehow i got it wrong maybe.
I tought you ment i worked at a bank.

d'oh!
citizen mori
mono-poly wrote:
I think it might be a language problem somehow i got it wrong maybe.
I tought you ment i worked at a bank.

d'oh!


this is the most difficult time two men in fine hats have ever had getting along. i like you mono-poly. let's be friends. applause
mono-poly
Sure!

w00t
citizen mori
mono-poly wrote:
Sure!

w00t

w00t
science
we're not worthy

Thanks for the demos. I'm really looking forward to having the final product in front of me in the hopefully not too distant future Dead Banana
xart
>>>>start tranzmizzion<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

from: Bert Vermeulen

dateWed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:08 PM
subjectFenix Update

Hello,

It is already five months ago that I send an update. The reason is that I could not find enough time to work at the Fenix and therefore there was no news.
At this moment I can only give the status of the new Fenix.

The first prototypes are tested and the results is a new updated prototype. This prototype will be used for testing the improvements.
As results of the tests of some months ago i have make a new configuration for the sequencer (few changes) and for the synthesizer (more changes) and based at these configuration new designs of the pcb’s and the front panels.
Below you find the configurations. The changes are like instead a stereo chorus and phaser in the prototype, a mono delay and phaser. This give me more space at the frontpanel for some other modules. Some modules got more inputs or outputs and other less. I add extra modules like LFO’s and EGR. This configuration will be (For 90% the final configuration)

The future. I am going to test the updated prototype and some new pcb’s. Making a preliminary BOM list and contacting suppliers. Designing a case (it will be a metal case like the fenix 1 because the CE regulations). And building a new prototype based at the latest design for a final check. Starting with a writing a manual. If i have finished these things i can inform you when i will start with a production and what the price is.

If you have any questions please mail

Bert

Configuration

Synthesizer

3 VCO’s,
4 different VCF´s ( SVF, 24dB Lp, BPF, 12dB Lp).
3 EGR and 4 VCA’s and 5 LFO’s.
7 Mixers ( 3 audio mixers and 4 DC/Audio mixers).
1 Phaser and 1 Delay (BDD).
1 8 step analog sequencer with clock.
2 Waveshapers and 1 rectifier.
1 CPR, 1 S&H, 1 Gate delay, 1 Ringmodulator, 1 Slew limiter, 1 fixed +/- 5volt output.
1 Analog noise and 1 Digital noise.
1 Input module with trigger, gate and envelop out.
1 Stereo output module with dual panning and dual VCA.
1 6 Banana to 3,5 mm minijack connectors.

Sequencer

1 LFO board
3 Sequencer boards
1 CV expander boards (with potmeters)
3 gate expander 1 boards (with switches)
1 gate expander 2 boards (with switches)
1 Banana to 3,5 mm minijack connectors

LFO board has a LFO with divided outputs, delayed outputs, duplets and triplet’s outputs, attenuators, gate buffers, glide modules and a quantizer, midi sync input (you can choose the internal clock or the midi sync).

Sequencer board is a standalone 16 steps sequencer without LFO. This board is internal connected to the main LFO and the Run/Stop and Reset input. Each sequencer board but can be used as a standalone 16 step sequencer when using an externe clock. This board has control inputs (like clock, step length, mute, Run, CV to step). These inputs overrules the internal connected functions when used16 gate outputs and CV Outputs with a CV input. Internal is a skip function available controlled by the switch expander. The direction of the sequencer be set normal, random and left/right.

Expander boards are connected to a sequencer board. The expander board will run sync with the sequencer board. There are 3 types of expander boards.

A CV expander board. This add an extra 16 CV step sequencer (can also be set at 2 x 8 steps).
A gate expander 1 board with 16 switches and 2 gate outputs and 1 PW input. This board can be used to skip a step of the sequencer board)
A gate expander 2 board with 16 switches and 1 gate outputs and 1 PW input and 1 mute input.

>>>>>end tranzm!zz!on<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
jenamu6
Just got that email too...........I'm getting excited....even more.
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polyroy
Lovely, i've always been intruiged by the fenix. As mentioned in this thread by others, there's not to much info about it so I think i'm drawn to it's elusive ways. This new one just sounds absolutely immense from the spec, can't wait to be dissapointed when I see the price tag I can't afford....
sascha.victoria
I got that email too. Looks sweet from the specs. Hopefully the price won't be too outrageous.
Ulven
I need this.
Reese P. Dubin
Specs sound great.
Hope I still sit on the dough I have aside for it when it flys.
Hopefully I have actually been on the list for the last 8 years as I think I have, and have one of those sweet low numbers.
I hope they do not let ebay prices account for final pricing, while they down about 25% from a few years ago, still too much for me.

Bring it on
clusterchord
mono-poly wrote:
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/Sound/Dennis-Fenix%20GT%20Ambient.mp3


Dennis, this is just phenomenal. as synth sound, but also as ambient piece.

i totally went listening to this..


what reverb was this if i may ask, Quantec perhaps ? very spacious..


damn, you should bring that Fenix proto with you when you visit next week This is fun! Rockin' Banana!
kkonkkrete
Now this is the "XL" I'm interested in ....
mono-poly
clusterchord wrote:
mono-poly wrote:
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/Sound/Dennis-Fenix%20GT%20Ambient.mp3


Dennis, this is just phenomenal. as synth sound, but also as ambient piece.

i totally went listening to this..


what reverb was this if i may ask, Quantec perhaps ? very spacious..


damn, you should bring that Fenix proto with you when you visit next week This is fun! Rockin' Banana!


Yes it's the Quantec QRS reverb indeed.
Hehe no prototypes with me next week.
Still deceiiding if it will be the Serge or Wiard i should bring,
Reptil
citizen mori wrote:
mono-poly wrote:
Lol i aint no banker.


...aren't all dutch descended from bankers? .....


hahaha

-
nice one Bert!
Electronic Battle
from http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL_Specs.html

"... 1 CPR ..."

What is a CPR?
mono-poly
comperator
chamomileshark
Hmm..that sounds tempting.
wetterberg
Electronic Battle wrote:
from http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL_Specs.html

"... 1 CPR ..."

What is a CPR?
It's for when they tell you the price hihi
wavecircle
wetterberg wrote:
Electronic Battle wrote:
from http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL_Specs.html

"... 1 CPR ..."

What is a CPR?
It's for when they tell you the price hihi


hihi

Bert seems like a good guy, he wants to sell it to users not collecters. Hopefully that will happen and at a good price. What a system though.
fluxivity
wow, this is an exciting development. What a way to start my week.
mono-poly
The first beta units are getting their upgrades now.
These will be tested the coming period.
After that i guess production could get started.
xart
Order up! thumbs up

date Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:02 PM
subject Fenix Update
Hello

Finally we can give you some more info concerning Fenix II and Fenix III.
First the price; There are still some uncertainties concerning the prices of some parts. A Go-NoGo will be taken soon and also the final price will be available in December at least for the first orders. For now we have a preliminary price for Fenix III (sequencer) 1950 euro and Fenix II (synthesizer) 2950 euro. (excl. shipping)
There is a lot of interest for these units but that’s before there was a price tag. Everybody on the list gets this mail and can decide to order a unit by fill in an order form. We cannot promise that everybody on the list will be able to buy a fenix but I expect that not everybody will order a unit so there is a good change that, if you want, you can get a Fenix
If you are still interested please mail me. There is a form attach to this mail or mail me the information as you can find in below in this mail.
We decided that there will be a prepayment however you can choose for a prepayment or not. People who do a prepayment will be placed at the front of the list. Also if you longer at the list, it will be taken into account.
Prepayment details will be communicated later (December). It will be probably 1000 euro per unit payable in December.
The first units we will ship in Q1 2011. How many we can produce in one month is unknown. After producing the first units we can give an estimate delivery schedule. Optional there will be available
· Spare parts kits ( potmeters, knobs, IC’s eo) (free for the prepayment orders)
· Banana cord set
· Wooden side panels
Prices will be available end December.


Please use the attach form. If that isn't possible you can use the "form" below
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mono-poly
My test unit is almost done to smile
The prices seem really reasonable!
richard
looks like an very interesting machine and with those specs, I wouldn't say too expensive at all

I'd love to have a play on one one day
mono-poly
wavecircle wrote:
The original fenix was about £900! That was in 1997 though.

This new one does look better.


Nowadays you'll get 2 or 3 vco's for 900 ukp.
So it is cheap imo.
Live is a lot more expensive since 1997.
wavecircle
I don't know if its cheap but reasonable maybe. We really need to know all the specs though, what each VCO VCF etc.... has to offer.
mono-poly
I can't tell anything about that.
Apart that it will have 3 vco's and 4 vcf's and lots of other goodies smile
ndkent
Anyone find out the height when racked? My math on the prototype measurement says shy of 11U using the height given.

For what it's worth the original Fenix was shy of 9 U.
thetwlo
would love to see a clear photo or illustration of the front panels so we can at least see the capabilities/functions.
mono-poly
I can not post any pictures guys.
But the size will be about the same as the old one.
And there is not a final layout yes and if it comes Bert wil publish it not me.
I'm just doing tests and samples.
jenamu6
mmm quiting my eurcrack habit for this....... seriously, i just don't get it

I seriously thinking about selling all my euro instead my M5 to finance both the sequencer and the XL
wavecircle
jenamu6 wrote:
mmm quiting my eurcrack habit for this....... seriously, i just don't get it

I seriously thinking about selling all my euro instead my M5 to finance both the sequencer and the XL


I know what you mean. If I was to buy the fenix i'd want the sequencer too. I'd have to sell all the euro stuff to fund it so I really need to know exactly what the new fenix does before selling everything and buying it.

Catch 22.
mono-poly
I might get my own prototype next week.
It willl be somewhat different from the production model.
And it will have some bugs which will be solved once the final ones are in production.
So more audio will be avaible soon smile
jenamu6
Please PM me when it's there Dennis......I would love to touch and hear the thing for real.

Beers on me then thumbs up
mono-poly
Ok will do Jean
jenamu6
Wow the fenix will arise.

SMS303
jenamu6 wrote:
Please PM me when it's there Dennis......I would love to touch and hear the thing for real.
Beers on me then thumbs up

mono-poly wrote:
Ok will do Jean

May/can i invite myself for this small gathering? smile

The Fenix update from Bert is almost the best news i've heard for whole 2010!

Probarly within a few months i can raise enough money for the sequencer too....
This will depend on how fast and high the insurance company will compensate my life capital insurance for all those absurdic charged costs past 19yrs.... confused

Within life you have to make decisions and there are lot of choices...
So i have decide and choose for the Fenix II oops
mono-poly
Shoot me a pm Casper.
I got some time this week between Tuesday and Friday.
mono-poly
Got the GT again.
I can call it my GT now smile
citizen mori
love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love
mono-poly
Will do some recordings later this week.
Maybe a little Fenix EP.

w00t
SMS303
mono-poly wrote:
Shoot me a pm Casper.
I got some time this week between Tuesday and Friday.

very late reaction my side. I'll come with Jean in a weekend. When you both have time smile

mono-poly wrote:
Got the GT again.
I can call it my GT now smile

congratz Mono thumbs up
can't wait touch and listen to this beauty spinning
mono-poly
Ok shoot a pm and we'll arange a date.
And bring some beer.

Guinness ftw! w00t
Nelson Baboon
Goddamn that thing is gorgeous. I have lusted after a fenix for years - and the new version exudes Nelson Baboon lust gravity.

Thank god I'll have some Serge coming in to calm me down a bit.

Fuck do I want one of these.
chamomileshark
that really does look good.
Electronic Battle
I'm pleased to be on the list and my excitement mounts. One thing I haven't properly grasped yet is the sheer size of the Fénix II (synth) and Fénix III (matching sequencer).

They should look quite daunting side-by-side on a desk!
jenamu6
Yesterday we had a lot of fun with MonoPoly and his Fenix XL.

Very good sounding machine, with a great sequencer.
I'm in love......
SMS303
Hell yeah!!! Thanks Mono thumbs up

The Fenix is an incredible modular MONSTER!
The sequencer is really impresive too....
There are lot of options and even after that, there are more possibillities possible hyper

damn... it's lot of money but both machines are a real must have SlayerBadger!
mono-poly
8_)
Reese P. Dubin
GLAD to finally see some real specs. Much more radical layout than #1.
GLAD production is held up for a bit. Scrape up more dough to make this less painful.
Hope to see a similar render of the sequencer sometime.
xart
mono-poly wrote:
8_)


Mono - what is this? is it a slanted rack inside a 19" rack mount frame?
ndkent
I'm forgetting too what the frame is for exactly. I remember Bert sending a graphic before. I know it's in a box and slanted back. What exactly is the goal there? As well as what would the *disadvantage* of just ears on the unit?
wavehead
audio/video??? i really want to hear one of these things in action.
mono-poly
I think it had to show that the front panel stands at an angle.
Like the protoype does here.

Flip your monitor please.

w00t
ndkent
mono-poly wrote:
I think it had to show that the front panel stands at an angle.
w00t


>19" Special 11HE mounting housing, extra including the 19" ears 55 euro

So it's to preserve the angle within a rack.
mono-poly


From another topic.

Acetone Rythmace and the Fenix XL.
rezzn8r
^^
SlayerBadger!
xart
What group are you in? hyper
mono-poly
lol
xart
5.
wavecircle
Some of the demos of this and the original Fenix sound amazing. Well worth selling my Eurorack for it. I just hope Bert lets me buy one.

Any one heard anything about production?
A Dingleberry Monstrosity
Nelson Baboon wrote:
Goddamn that thing is gorgeous. I have lusted after a fenix for years - and the new version exudes Nelson Baboon lust gravity.

Thank god I'll have some Serge coming in to calm me down a bit.

Fuck do I want one of these.


you should buy one, then sell it then buy it again...

...then sell it again.


....then buy it again.
vassili
xart wrote:
What group are you in? hyper


6 spinning
xart
vassili wrote:

6 spinning


thumbs up
vassili
xart wrote:
vassili wrote:

6 spinning


thumbs up


too many years of waiting... nuts
mono-poly
wavecircle wrote:
Some of the demos of this and the original Fenix sound amazing. Well worth selling my Eurorack for it. I just hope Bert lets me buy one.

Any one heard anything about production?


Thx for liking the demo's.
This is gonna be the year when they are getting build and released.
Morley
Group 8

Sounds ok to me...I guess!
jenamu6
Group 9......
mono-poly
I'll try and post some more demo's.
Can't guarantee when it wil happen./
But this thing is really awesome and unique imo.
vassili
mono-poly wrote:
I'll try and post some more demo's.
Can't guarantee when it wil happen./
But this thing is really awesome and unique imo.


please post more demo's,that will help me to wait! thumbs up
wavecircle
Hey Mono-poly, would this be compatible with other Banana systems? The specs are great as it is but I also like digital modules like the ones Modcan offer. Would they work together?
Morley
wavecircle wrote:
Hey Mono-poly, would this be compatible with other Banana systems? The specs are great as it is but I also like digital modules like the ones Modcan offer. Would they work together?


I am sure Mono Poly won't mind me answering for him..
YES!
mono-poly
Yeah it all works with modcan and serge and others.
vassili
mono-poly wrote:
Yeah it all works with modcan and serge and others.


i don't think it could work with Buchla!?! seriously, i just don't get it
mono-poly
Nope bucla is to "weird" doesnt't work well with most other stuff
revtor
so.. is there an estimated cost?
skkatter
revtor wrote:
so.. is there an estimated cost?

Prices are up on their website: http://dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL_Specs.html
thetwlo
11!
Reese P. Dubin
Looks like I am 12th in line. If they are doing the PCB fab offsite in Asia someplace, I feel like it wont take tooooo long to produce these.

At first I sat and compared the new guy against my original, trying to figure out a way to not want/need it. Didnt work. Lots of similar functionality, but damn they know how to make amazing circuits. Might actually have to sell a few things to make this less painful.
mono-poly
the numbers are from batches being produced.
Malekko
6!
Blue Meanie
Group 7!! Guinness ftw! Not sure how many are in a group, maybe 3?

The Fenix II has to be the sickest synth to come out in the past 25 years (trumping the Fenix I of course)! Its an amazing bang for the buck! If you think about that the serge animal is the same price and the Fenix just kills it in features! I mean 4 filters... come on! This thing just decimates anything I ever seen!!

I have been researching synths for many years and this one I have been holding out for. I can't wait for this beast!!! hyper

In fact I'm designing a custom analog sequencer for this guy, because now its going to be all about control!!!
wavecircle
Group 12!

Fenix II & III.

Exciting! Bye bye Eurorack.
mono-poly
Is anyone getting the sequencer to?
That sequencing system is amazing to.

Did you guys got any detailed info yet from Bert?
About filters etc?
wavecircle
Hey Dennis.

The last info I had was that there are 4 filters, State Variable, 24dB LP, BP and 12dB LP.
mono-poly
Blue Meanie wrote:
The Fenix II has to be the sickest synth to come out in the past 25 years (trumping the Fenix I of course)! Its an amazing bang for the buck! If you think about that the serge animal is the same price and the Fenix just kills it in features! I mean 4 filters... come on! This thing just decimates anything I ever seen!!


Amen to that!
Malekko
mono-poly wrote:
Is anyone getting the sequencer to?
That sequencing system is amazing to.

Did you guys got any detailed info yet from Bert?
About filters etc?


I'm getting them both...it seems like a more complete instrument with the two...and kind of silly not to get both.
I don't fully understand the enclosure options...what i want is the picture...the two units mounted side by side with wood ends...
Morley
mono-poly wrote:
Is anyone getting the sequencer to?
That sequencing system is amazing to.

Did you guys got any detailed info yet from Bert?
About filters etc?


Getting both
Despite being broke, I had to Dead Banana
I need a serious sequencer as when my Buchla and 2500 went I lost 6 sequencers!
This one looks like it will fill that gap nicely!
Question is, do I selll loads of small things to scrape near to it or shift my VCS3 hmmm.....
mono-poly
I dunno about the enclosures Josh.

David i'd never get rid of the EMS.
That thing is really not replaceable and yeah those sequencers can be the heart of all kind of stuff.
They are great for doing drum paterns to.
Morley
mono-poly wrote:
I dunno about the enclosures Josh.

David i'd never get rid of the EMS.
That thing is really not replaceable and yeah those sequencers can be the heart of all kind of stuff.
They are great for doing drum paterns to.


I probably won't sell it. I don't use it as much as my other stuff, but as you say, unique..just a lot of money sitting there.

re the sequencer, your video really got me interested again so I looked at the details and it's a fair price considering what it does...just another chunk to find though!
jenamu6
I'm on the list for both as well, but I'll gladly pay David 5000,- for the VCS nanners


Like Josh said......the Fenix XL + Sequencer = an instrument.
Blue Meanie
Malekko wrote:

I'm getting them both...it seems like a more complete instrument with the two...and kind of silly not to get both.


I wish I could afford both! Sequencers are easy to design and synthesizers aren't, so I have to take the DIY route..., you are right though.
Morley
jenamu6 wrote:
I'm on the list for both as well, but I'll gladly pay David 5000,- for the VCS nanners


Like Josh said......the Fenix XL + Sequencer = an instrument.


But I want hihi
SMS303
i have ordered 2 synths + 1 sequencer and have been placed into group 3... we're not worthy

hopely the first synth & sequencer are ready may/june this year and the second next year may.... w00t
Audio Resistance
Hmmm, it seems the sequencer is all spoken for unless someone backs out. I am adding my name to the list but the whole idea is to get the thing as a combo.

My thoughts would be to sell a large part of my Serge setup ( keep the Animal and other choice bits) but if I can not get the sequencer that really puts a damper on things.
mermott
Maybe this thread could be moved to Buchla, EMS, Serge, Wiard &... Synton ?
It seems to me that it is of interest to many people who are into banana systems.
vassili
mermott wrote:
Maybe this thread could be moved to Buchla, EMS, Serge, Wiard &... Synton ?
It seems to me that it is of interest to many people who are into banana systems.


I think that too thumbs up
Seracs
Synton has only released about....150 music systems in the past 12 years, no?
Blue Meanie
vassili wrote:
mermott wrote:
Maybe this thread could be moved to Buchla, EMS, Serge, Wiard &... Synton ?
It seems to me that it is of interest to many people who are into banana systems.


I think that too thumbs up



Agreed!
vassili
Seracs wrote:
Synton has only released about....150 music systems in the past 12 years, no?


If you talk about the Fenix 1 production, there's only 75 specimens on our planet!
Blue Meanie
My only concern at this point is will the euro/US dollar exchange rate be going down again anytime soon!?
theglyph
Blue Meanie wrote:
My only concern at this point is will the euro/US dollar exchange rate be going down again anytime soon!?


I don't think so but I have to say that roughly $8000 for a Fenix II & III is a pretty good price what you get!
Morley
I can't see the Euro shooting up compared to the dollar.
wavecircle
Has any one been sent confirmation of the Fenix II yet? Bert sent me a print of the Fenix III final layout but nothing on the II yet.
vassili
not yet too!
i think Bert must be very busy!
wavecircle
Quote:
Hello,

I promise in may last update the screen-print of the Fenix II. You
can find this in the attached file. I have also added some drawings of
the case with the sizes.
The production will start when the last components will arrive. This
should be in a couple of weeks.

When there any news I will send an update.



Bert


Just got this from bert with Fenix II screenprint. Guinness ftw! It's peanut butter jelly time!

I don't know what some of it does but it looks sick, triple band pass filter with CV for each peak, all kinds of outputs on the oscs, such a complete system. I can't wait.
mono-poly
The triple bandpass is awesome specialy with the 3 phase lfo!
wavecircle
Ah, a 3 phase LFO,

I was wondering why LFO5 had 3 identical outputs. Are they are fixed phase or is that adjustable? I'm guessing Ps2 and Ps3 is the phase position.

Why do the CV mixers 1,2 and 4 only have one input and one output? Surely that is more of an attenuator?
mono-poly
ps2 and ps3 are adjustable manual and over cv.
wavecircle
Have any of these been made yet?

I keep getting the shakes for a Serge Animoo and sequencer panel. Hurry up Fenix, I am modularless at the moment.

cry
SMS303
wavecircle wrote:
Have any of these been made yet?

Not yet....
Last update from Bert said he's waiting for some components...
This should take 8-10 weeks...

Or the components are allready there and he started without updating us hyper hihi

I'm in group 3 and hope both models are deliverable end may/june applause
Electronic Battle
Does anyone know (mono-poly?) how many are being made of the synthesisers and sequencers? I'm in group six.
Morley
Electronic Battle wrote:
Does anyone know (mono-poly?) how many are being made of the synthesisers and sequencers? I'm in group six.


I'm in group 8. No idea how many per group though! Not many..3 or 5 or so?
Sequencers, I think it's not many at all.. I heard 10

BUT I have no real idea! Just things I recall hearing.
mono-poly
75 synths and a few sequencers
SMS303
Morley wrote:
Sequencers, I think it's not many at all.. I heard 10

mono-poly wrote:
75 synths and a few sequencers

wow only 10 or nearby ...
i was expecting/thinking of 20-30 sequencers ...
wavecircle
mono-poly wrote:
75 synths and a few sequencers


Woop!

applause applause applause It's peanut butter jelly time!

I am down for a sequencer, I really can not wait. I might pass out by the summer.
Reese P. Dubin
Looks like I am smack in the middle, group 12.
If only I checed my email more often.

Any guesses on what SSM and SSaw mean on osc3?
wavecircle
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270703010821

xart
wavecircle wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270703010821



I have been looking at this all week thinking what I could sell.... thumbs up

The FENIX 1 had a great sound...I wish I still had one...
The problem with the fenix 1 (why I sold one after about 2 years) was that it was built like shit and I had to have mine fixed 3x (BUT build great for a $2000 synth 10 years ago!)

I *HOPE* m&b do a better job with securing the PCB's this time and DO NOT glue them down to the metal case like the fenix 1. d'oh!

I don't know if the boxes built "later in the run" were built better.....but the early ones were no where near serge/modcan quality....

But the sound and layout are an A++++
ndkent
Never a problem with my original other than the white paint coming off the pointer on my favorite knobs. Flew it back to the U.S. in the overhead, gigged a bunch of times though not regularly. Off memory mine is like US 24 or something that was confusing. I think it was in the middle batch in the last week of 1998. It had the revised filter.

I definitely think the knob to jack layout on the new one is a big compromise though I guess the reward is more features.. The original had mirroring of the jacks that I really appreciate and I can't think of another modular that achieved the jacks away from the knobs so efficiently yet easy to follow.
xart
Lightner in CA and MMM in Chicago have serviced a bunch of them for the same problems (mine had the same issue 3x but I also moved it around all the time)....

synthfool talks in detail about the issues here:

http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2006/10/synton-fenix-modular.html


thumbs up
xart
ndkent wrote:
I can't think of another modular that achieved the jacks away from the knobs so efficiently yet easy to follow.


Agree! I really like the arp style 'classic' flow chart grafix on the fenix 1....I wish the fenix 2 was the same...its the first thing I looked for!
wavecircle
ndkent wrote:

I definitely think the knob to jack layout on the new one is a big compromise though I guess the reward is more features.. The original had mirroring of the jacks that I really appreciate and I can't think of another modular that achieved the jacks away from the knobs so efficiently yet easy to follow.


Hmm, I see what you mean. I would rather have the extra functionality personally. These things are instruments and I am sure after a few weeks all the patching locations will become 2nd nature.

I do hope this one is far more solid mechanically. I did hear things about the original, wobbly knobs and PCBs etc...
mono-poly
I like the feel of the prototype fenix i got a lot.
Nice feeling on the knobs.
modularland
pics and audio plz :-)

mono-poly wrote:
I like the feel of the prototype fenix i got a lot.
Nice feeling on the knobs.
mono-poly
Lol i did al the Dennis samples on the dutchsynth website.
Might do some more at some point but i got other prioritys now.
Morley
My issue with the Fenix 1 was layout. A bit fiddly in that respect but it's a great sounding machine with a LOAD of features. I thought it was well built.
$9999 is just silly though, but hey, maybe someone will pay it.
ndkent
Morley wrote:
My issue with the Fenix 1 was layout. A bit fiddly in that respect but it's a great sounding machine with a LOAD of features. I thought it was well built.
$9999 is just silly though, but hey, maybe someone will pay it.


Regarding the layout, they seemed to be trying to pack in as much as possible as well as have the jacks separate from the knobs. I think they were quite successful, maybe even the most successful considering other modulars with the knobs and jacks separate need far more reading and hunting for the jack (Digisound, Technosaurus, blue large format Wiard).

Unfortunately what I see on the new one is less ideal than the Fenix I though there are more features. I liked the way the first one replicated the knob layout sensibly with jacks and diagrams exactly below it

As for the $9999 Ebay guy and others like him, I'm surprised no one looks at his other prices, I'd say his markup over a more "realistic" price on that one is actually lower percent-wise that his other stuff with often sillier prices. Not that I defend his price but an initial really high price on something genuinely rare probably leads to eventually selling it for less than that but still far more than they would have gotten for a more "realistic" price. Then again on common stuff I don't see a point on some random high price. Maybe snagging rich buyers?
mono-poly
Reese P. Dubin wrote:
Looks like I am smack in the middle, group 12.
If only I checed my email more often.

Any guesses on what SSM and SSaw mean on osc3?



SSM = subsawtooth modulation
SSaw = subsawtooth
mono-poly
Electronic Battle
It's all looking very good. I have the "FenixIII.pdf" and so I see the Fenix III has got quantise capability - does anyone know if the two quantizers are semitone or whole tone or major or what scales? How about the 8 step seq built into Fenix II?

And - what happened to the demo "VCO1+Wavemultiplier1" mentioned at
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL-Sample.html but the link is dead ... would like to hear that, that's for certain.

Getting exciting now ...

edit: somewhat answering my own question, the two quantisers are semitone scale. The AHDSR is voltage controlled.

Better and better ...
Electronic Battle
And another question : what is Z-Sync?

Looking at the Fenix II (synthesiser) front panel PDF (Fenix 2d_tekst.pdf), I see that VCOs 1 & 3 have "Sync" as a connection, whereas VCO2 has "Sync" and "Z-Sync".
jenamu6
Pfff did my prepayment yesterday................now the waiting for the two lovely instruments begins.
mono-poly
Z-sync is like a regular sync input only the sawtooth and square are reset back to ground,
mono-poly
And i might do some demo's the coming days.
Morley
Have to prepay tomorrow...damn!
wavecircle
Why do you have to prepay?
mono-poly
Because they are already near sold out even before production started.
wavecircle
Shit,

I was on the list in group 12, Bert hasn't sent me anything to say I have to pay.
SMS303
wavecircle wrote:
Shit,
I was on the list in group 12, Bert hasn't sent me anything to say I have to pay.

As far i understand does every group got his own prepay date.
Electronic Battle
I'm in group six and my prepayment date was (from memory) the end of February so yes, I think the date is proportional to the number of the group you're in. Group 12 (I think) is the last of the groups so if we could find out the prepayment date for group 1, we could guess when the final prepayment date will be.

And to emphasise Mono-Poly's comment, I think the list of buyers is now longer than the list of instruments (75 FIIs and 10 FIIIs); the prepayment would be to help fund the outlay for the production work I would imagine.
Blue Meanie
Just sent my prepayment! SlayerBadger! Yeah I am in group 7 and my date was before 3/25. Totally worth it! This will be my first true modular, aside from my MS-10. What a step up!

Now I just need to finish my sequencer, if anyone is interested it will be a 2-3 channel 16 step sequencer with sliders. Also will have memory and cv ins and the ability to link patterns to create sequences of at least 1024 steps per channel.
BIT6
Hi everybody!

I'm in group 7, prepayment date 25/3. I'm trying to contact Bert since 15/3 to the address bl.ver....., but no reply!

Can somebody help, please?

Thanx.
mono-poly
Adress seems right imo.
mono-poly


Muting sequencers
mono-poly
Here's some better audio.


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12541415/Fenix%20Teezer.wav
Morley
Very nice.
Do you a large picture of the synth and sequencer???
mono-poly
Bert told me not to post detailed pictures online.
But.... there aint much detail in it wink


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12541415/xxl.JPG
wavecircle
The final version is slightly different from the prototype isnt it?

additional gate and cv sequencer etc...
mono-poly
Yes there are some differences.
Vco's and some filters are the same.
There's a change in the phaser ans chorus.
And there's more vca's and i think more envelope generators and lfo's.
But i'm not sure about that.
Morley
mono-poly wrote:
Bert told me not to post detailed pictures online.
But.... there aint much detail in it wink


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12541415/xxl.JPG


Ok. No problem..
I presume until there is a production unit out there, they want it under wraps kind of.
Thx all the same!
m0rb1d
what a beautiful, relatively affordable machine!
skkatter
I wonder how many of the 75 are going to people on this forum? (I'm in group 5)
mono-poly
m0rb1d wrote:
what a beautiful, relatively affordable machine!


Yeah it's really afordable if you see how much stuff you get on both systems.
I am so happy with my proto unit synth but the sequencer is amazing to.
Electronic Battle
I've been on the waiting list since (something like) mid-2009. I've paid my 50% up front for the FII and the FIII (synthesiser and sequencer pair) and a set of leads and a spare parts kit. I can hardly wait, acknowledging that it'll be a few months yet.

I wonder - when will the first production units for people in group 1 actually ship?

I can hardly wait for some mor details e.g. actual photographs of the front panels.

Before they arrive, I need to sort out a decent MIDI-CV with at least 4 channels. I'd get the Encore but they aren't around any more.
Electronic Battle
Also, don't forget to keep checking

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL_QA.html

For example: new info says the ADSR time constants are manually adjustable from <1ms to >50s, with CV extending this still further.
doepferiano
me gruppo quattro..... grin
the moment is coming...
Morley
doepferiano wrote:
me gruppo quattro..... grin
the moment is coming...


I've heard that group 4 has been delayed until AFTER group 8 nanners
hihi
skkatter
Morley wrote:
I've heard that group 4 has been delayed until AFTER group 8

I heard group 8 has been turned sideways so it's now group infinity.
Morley
skkatter wrote:
Morley wrote:
I've heard that group 4 has been delayed until AFTER group 8

I heard group 8 has been turned sideways so it's now group infinity.


These Dutch guys really are crazy!
doepferiano
skkatter wrote:
Morley wrote:
I've heard that group 4 has been delayed until AFTER group 8

I heard group 8 has been turned sideways so it's now group infinity.

hihi hihi hihi
renzo
group 12 here......prepayment ---> done SlayerBadger!
wavecircle
Yikes!

I wish there was some sort of time frame for construction and delivery.
Electronic Battle
regarding timeframe: whilst the Fenix website says "The first production models will be shipped Q1 2011" we also know there have been some delays with PCBs being manufactured according to an email update or two. One update, for example, said "Delivery Fenix, The delivery planning for the first fenix is in Q1 2011. The last fenix could be delivered 1 year later, but that depend how fast we can produce".

With no knowledge I can only imagine that the first units must be ready to ship very soon but yes, an actual update would be exciting to see.
jenamu6
Yeah I would love an update too.....
SMS303
Quote:
9 april Bert wrote:
The PCB will be assemble per type ( Fenix II has 7 types and Fenix IIIhas also 7 different types of PCB's) Some are ready and other must be assembled.FenixIII is for 50% ready assembled. But i have to wait for the thefrontpanels and complete sets.

smile
hellohihowareyou
Wow, where did you get that info, sms303? I didn't get any update emails.
waah
jenamu6
Neither did I?
vassili
SMS303 wrote:
Quote:
9 april Bert wrote:
The PCB will be assemble per type ( Fenix II has 7 types and Fenix IIIhas also 7 different types of PCB's) Some are ready and other must be assembled.FenixIII is for 50% ready assembled. But i have to wait for the thefrontpanels and complete sets.

smile


you asked him personally?
SMS303
vassili wrote:
SMS303 wrote:
Quote:
9 april Bert wrote:
The PCB will be assemble per type ( Fenix II has 7 types and Fenix IIIhas also 7 different types of PCB's) Some are ready and other must be assembled.FenixIII is for 50% ready assembled. But i have to wait for the thefrontpanels and complete sets.

smile

you asked him personally?

nope he sent a mail...
probarly he sent it out to the first groups only, im in 3 for both smile
jenamu6
I just emailed him to ask for an update.
vassili
SMS303 wrote:
vassili wrote:
SMS303 wrote:
Quote:
9 april Bert wrote:
The PCB will be assemble per type ( Fenix II has 7 types and Fenix IIIhas also 7 different types of PCB's) Some are ready and other must be assembled.FenixIII is for 50% ready assembled. But i have to wait for the thefrontpanels and complete sets.

smile

you asked him personally?

nope he sent a mail...
probarly he sent it out to the first groups only, im in 3 for both smile

im in 6 for both 8_)
lorenzovektor
This looks like such a fun toy
Nelson Baboon
Just out of curiosity - I have no $ for any kind of prepayment at all. Will it be possible to still order one come the winter? (sorry if I haven't kept up on all of this)
wavecircle
Nelson Baboon wrote:
Just out of curiosity - I have no $ for any kind of prepayment at all. Will it be possible to still order one come the winter? (sorry if I haven't kept up on all of this)


I haven't paid a deposit either but I am still reserved for a synth and sequencer. If you do prepayment you get the spare parts for free as far as I am aware.
jenamu6
OK mini update from Bert:


Jean
Ik ben nu bezig met de testen van de eerste productie printen, helaas
zijn dit de sequencer printen. Het assembleer bedrijf assembleerd per
type print en om een apparaat te kunnen maken heb ik ze allemaal
nodig. Er is mij beloofd dat volgende week een complete serie wordt
geleverd. De kasten zijn al 4 weken klaar alleen de fronten waren de
verkeerde kleur geanodiseerd en komen als het goed is volgende week
binnen. Al met al een vertraging van ruim 5 weken.
Ik wil een update rondsturen als alles binnen was.

Bert

Translated by me:
Jean
At the moment I'm testing the first production PCB's, these are the sequencer pcb's.
The assembling company works in batches of the same PCB's........but to make the fenix I need all the different PCB's. The company ensured me that I'll get the other PCB's next week.
The enclosures are ready (have been for 4 weeks now)......but the frontplates where anodized in the wrong color......the good ones will come in next week.
So......a delay of 5 weeks.
I want to send a real update when all parts are in.

Bert.
vassili
jenamu6 wrote:
OK mini update from Bert:


Jean
Ik ben nu bezig met de testen van de eerste productie printen, helaas
zijn dit de sequencer printen. Het assembleer bedrijf assembleerd per
type print en om een apparaat te kunnen maken heb ik ze allemaal
nodig. Er is mij beloofd dat volgende week een complete serie wordt
geleverd. De kasten zijn al 4 weken klaar alleen de fronten waren de
verkeerde kleur geanodiseerd en komen als het goed is volgende week
binnen. Al met al een vertraging van ruim 5 weken.
Ik wil een update rondsturen als alles binnen was.

Bert

Translated by me:
Jean
At the moment I'm testing the first production PCB's, these are the sequencer pcb's.
The assembling company works in batches of the same PCB's........but to make the fenix I need all the different PCB's. The company ensured me that I'll get the other PCB's next week.
The enclosures are ready (have been for 4 weeks now)......but the frontplates where anodized in the wrong color......the good ones will come in next week.
So......a delay of 5 weeks.
I want to send a real update when all parts are in.

Bert.



Thanks a lot for the translating! thumbs up
Electronic Battle
Nothing exciting, but a bit of info which some people (DIY enthusiasts) may find useful.

Information from Bert:
---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------
Black is input ( CV and Audio)
Green is Audio Out ( DC decoupled) VCO and VCF out
Blue is Out ( AC and DC) LFO, ADSR etc.
Yellow is special out ( Sum Gate)

Fonts are Arial
Font size is different but text at banana sockets is 3mm heigh &
1,5mm width and thickness 13% of width

Module name at banana sockets is 3mm high & 2 mm width and thickness
20% of width

white text on black anodised aluminium.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------

I asked because i'm going to build one of these in a 1U panel to match the FII/FIII (c/o DIY subforum ):

http://www.clsound.com/clsd/Quantizer.html
m0rb1d
i wonder what the wrong color was...
xart
>>>>start tranzm!zz!on<<<<<<<<<

Bert Vermeulen to fenix.modular, fenix.modulair, bcc: me
show details 4:33 PM (14 minutes ago)
Hello,

Its allready a long time ago i send an update.
The production is running and the first sequencers (Fenix III) are shipped.
I got a lot of delay in producing the frontpanels en the assembling the PCB's.
The frontpanels were made grey instead of black, this was the first
delay of almost 6 weeks.
The PCB are assembled per type (the seq has 6 types of pcb's and the
synth has also 6 different types). I can start when the set is
complete
I have received a smal serie of the sequencer pcb's so i could
produce some sequencers.

There are synth PCB assembled but not all types, I need all type
before i can assembling. I hope to receive soon the first complete
sets

I understand that this delay means a delay of your ordered Fenix. I am
sorry for this.

When the first Synth are ready i will mail a next update and put som
photo's with it..

Bert


>>>>end tranzm!zz!on<<<<<
thumbs up
Reese P. Dubin
Jesus I would gladly pay my balance now and take a grey one. I could give a shit about that stuff man, and woul dbe more than happy to have one unlike the others.

Been watching the exchange rates fluctuate a ittle lately and want to pay when its in my best interest. Sorry, but I am hoping the current Icelandic volcano screws the euro for a few days!!!
hellohihowareyou
Resse P. Dubin: Why not just buy the amount of euro's you'll need when the price is low? You'll be set for when your payment is due.
razz
skkatter
hellohihowareyou wrote:
Resse P. Dubin: Why not just buy the amount of euro's you'll need when the price is low? You'll be set for when your payment is due.

Not really, because he'd have to get the Euro in cash, unless he had a specific American bank account that held Euro, which would be pretty rare.

You should just ask Bert if you can pay the final balance straight away, he probably wouldn't object to getting full payment in advance.
Electronic Battle
A month on and no news; I know Bert was planning to update his website about 3 weeks ago but I suppose he's been busy building IIs and IIIs.

Has anyone on this forum received a FII or FIII yet or do you have a delivery date soon? I can hardly wait to see some photographs and hear some sounds.
jenamu6
.......no news waah
Reese P. Dubin
This is an exercise in discipline for me. I tend to NEVER put money up front then wait... But its been fine so far. From my continued experience with the original Fenix, I know that it will be a truly peerless instrument, worth the wait in every way.

so please Bert, HURRY UP
vassili
I received a message today from Bert,he told me that he worked now on the last units for group 2 and he hope to work faster after group 3!
vassili
new pictures from dutchsynth.nl hyper !!!!!!!!


love love love love love love love
Morley
fabulous!
mono-poly
w00t
wavecircle
Man, it is pretty.

Almost starting to regret the Wiard purchase.... Almost.

I thought these were going to be another year?
vassili
someone post a little video too!







the pressure rises!
vav
screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo
mono-poly
Ooow that's dutch producer "Kubus"
He does verry cool hip hop stuff with analogue synths.
Reese P. Dubin
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

so cool to see a real one in the wild
rasseru
now thats a synth made for real men lol
SunSpots
Great, another small run amazing modular i cant buy. Just add it to the list of modulars i cant have.

Ss
Electronic Battle
A small update from Bert: I emailed him earlier today to see how he was doing and he said I could post the info in his reply here.

1) I asked "Have you sent any FII or FIII units to people in group 1 yet?"

And Bert said
"Progress is still too slow, I am delivering now the units of group 3 and i have started the production of group 4"

2) I asked"How do you see the timescales now for people in later groups?"

And Bert said
"I hope to get an estimate planning end of August. Maybe group 6 beginning of September"

3) I asked "Have you had any problems or found any interesting new things with the instruments?"

And Bert said
"The only real problem i found are it cost much more time to assemble and test and i found an ic which in some cases became unstable. I have replaced this and it is now fine".

Best wishes all
vassili
Electronic Battle wrote:
A small update from Bert: I emailed him earlier today to see how he was doing and he said I could post the info in his reply here.

1) I asked "Have you sent any FII or FIII units to people in group 1 yet?"

And Bert said
"Progress is still too slow, I am delivering now the units of group 3 and i have started the production of group 4"

2) I asked"How do you see the timescales now for people in later groups?"

And Bert said
"I hope to get an estimate planning end of August. Maybe group 6 beginning of September"

3) I asked "Have you had any problems or found any interesting new things with the instruments?"

And Bert said
"The only real problem i found are it cost much more time to assemble and test and i found an ic which in some cases became unstable. I have replaced this and it is now fine".

Best wishes all



Thanks!
Electronic Battle
what this thread really needs at the moment is a review from someone in receipt of their FII or FIII ... anyone in groups one or two or three, in that case.
skkatter
I'm in group 5 for the II+III. I'll review the be-jesus out of it when I get it and post constant photos and videos to this thread until you all want to kill me.
vassili
Reese P. Dubin
Holy smokes the first one cant do that!!
SMS303
Within 2 weeks Jena will have his Fenix II + III set ...
Electronic Battle
I hope someone can do a demo of the 3VCOs being phase locked to one another and varying the sync depth - what with the included phaser and some reverb, it should sound pretty impressive.

In fact, I expect the demos that someone knocks up in five minutes will be better than my hours of best endeavour. Nothing new there then!
hellohihowareyou
Skkatter: holding you to that. I'm in a later group and would really like to see the F3 in action.

w00t
Electronic Battle
Either I'm very slow (probably) or there's some new info on Bert's website. I expect it's been there for ages but I haven't noticed until just now:

"LFO board has a LFO with divided outputs, delayed outputs, duplets and
triplet’s outputs, attenuators, gate buffers, glide modules, quantizer, gate to
S-trigger and a midi sync input (you can choose the internal clock or the
midi sync)".

So MIDI sync is present - great! My Doepfer MAQ16/3 will play along with the FIII nicely. God knows how to make it all work.
hellohihowareyou
That info about the LFO board is old news, but still awesome.

What is new on the webpage is a second pic of the F2 and F3 side by side. The pic is located on the Fenix 2+3 hompage part sorta uhhh.. that website is impossible to describe.

IT'S HERE:
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL.html

I believe it is the bottom picture that is new.
vassili
hellohihowareyou wrote:
That info about the LFO board is old news, but still awesome.

What is new on the webpage is a second pic of the F2 and F3 side by side. The pic is located on the Fenix 2+3 hompage part sorta uhhh.. that website is impossible to describe.

IT'S HERE:
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL.html

I believe it is the bottom picture that is new.
Guinness ftw!
hellohihowareyou
It makes me very happy to know that I'm not the only one obsessively searching for details in anticipation for their F2+F3.

I've memorized the front panels of each and have to say....

Fucking hell the Fenix 3 sequencer is far and away the most comprehensive analogue sequencer ever.

To the rest of you waiting also...
Guinness ftw!
vassili
hellohihowareyou wrote:
It makes me very happy to know that I'm not the only one obsessively searching for details in anticipation for their F2+F3.

I've memorized the front panels of each and have to say....

Fucking hell the Fenix 3 sequencer is far and away the most comprehensive analogue sequencer ever.

To the rest of you waiting also...
Guinness ftw!


this sequencer is going to be the central brain of my analog setup and certainly all my studio! 8_)
doepferiano
shhhhhh crossing fingerssss :P
jenamu6
Gotta share this with someone who cares....

I'm gonna pick up my set (synth+seq) tomorrow......will post videos soon.
Hanz
Very cool, congratulations!
xart
jenamu6 wrote:
Gotta share this with someone who cares....

I'm gonna pick up my set (synth+seq) tomorrow......will post videos soon.



Yeah we care! Your in Group 9 (I just checked!!!!) ....how did you get bumped up to the front of the line? hmmm.....

angry

We expect a FULL review....and you also must be ready to pop the hood and let us know what is inside! thumbs up

I can't wait for your review!

thumbs up
Electronic Battle
Can't you go there now, and then come back and post videos all night long so that when I get up I'll have something to stare at whilst I wait for my II & III?

hyper
jenamu6
xart wrote:

Yeah we care! Your in Group 9 (I just checked!!!!) ....how did you get bumped up to the front of the line? hmmm.....


angry

We expect a FULL review....and you also must be ready to pop the hood and let us know what is inside! thumbs up

I can't wait for your review!

thumbs up


I switched places......

Sure I'll open it up......may even set fire to it.

nanners nanners nanners nanners nanners nanners nanners
jenamu6
It's here.......and it's awesome.
mono-poly
Congrats
Reptil
nice! applause
hellohihowareyou
Pics/vids or it didn't happen
wavecircle
vassili wrote:
new pictures from dutchsynth.nl hyper !!!!!!!!


love love love love love love love


Has anyone else spotted the printing error on the sequencer?

The additional gate track is marked as C4 but I am fairly sure this should be A4.
jenamu6
Ok here's 2 pictures of my new favorite instrument.




It really feels as a really well handcrafted instrument.

All pots are secured to the frontpanel and feel great.
The number of modules and functions are overwhelming.........and it sounds gorgeous.

I'm having a tough time to figure out the sequencer.........but it's a fun time.
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SMS303
jenamu6 wrote:
xart wrote:

Your in Group 9 (I just checked!!!!) ....how did you get bumped up to the front of the line? hmmm.....

I switched places......

You can blame me .. (hides)
I was in group 3, now group 9...

Nice pictures Jean...
Just as i did aspect it was the long wait worth razz
See you soon when i'll come over to play with the beast! SlayerBadger!
hellohihowareyou
videoooooooooossssssss
thetwlo
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40518

group eleven sucks!!! the waiting...
Electronic Battle
[quote="wavecircle"]
vassili wrote:
new pictures from dutchsynth.nl hyper !!!!!!!!

Has anyone else spotted the printing error on the sequencer?

The additional gate track is marked as C4 but I am fairly sure this should be A4.


When I look at the FIII, I see there is a row of gate switches already labelled as A4 - the bottom row is A3 and then A4 is immediately above it.

The top row , labelled as C4, seems to follow on from A3/A4/B3/(C4). I suppose if anything I would think the top row should say B4 rather than C4.

I would welcome further discussion though - it is quite a complex sequencer to say the least! My Korg SQ-10 is going to be somewhat swamped ...
doepferiano
the eagle has landed
or better
the fenixes have landed
wink
falafelbiels
Where are you going to sit down now Jean?
skkatter
doepferiano wrote:
the eagle has landed
or better
the fenixes have landed
;)

Were you in group four? Because according to the classic Hindu-Arabic numerical system popularly used in the western world, that means my group is next.
Electronic Battle
@ doepferiano - please can you do a demo - one or more VCOs with sync depth varying from 0 to hard ... just one sustained low note, so I can hear what it sounds like with hard/soft sync between 2 or 3 oscillators.

I'm in group 6 and becoming steadily more excited!

Thanks for *any* demo you get chance to do, actually - also thanks to Jennamu6 for his earlier work.
Morley
skkatter wrote:
doepferiano wrote:
the eagle has landed
or better
the fenixes have landed
wink

Were you in group four? Because according to the classic Hindu-Arabic numerical system popularly used in the western world, that means my group is next.


I'm pretty sure you are right, although I am hoping in the Dutch method, group 8 comes before 5

If this isn't the case, then wanna swap for ?

razz
skkatter
Morley wrote:

I'm pretty sure you are right, although I am hoping in the Dutch method, group 8 comes before 5

If this isn;t the case, then wanna swap for :75: ?

We already discussed this. I'm going to stay in group five, and then also buy out group eight completely, thus leaving you with no Fenixes at all.

What's the plural of Fenix? Fenii?
SMS303
skkatter wrote:
Morley wrote:

I'm pretty sure you are right, although I am hoping in the Dutch method, group 8 comes before 5
If this isn;t the case, then wanna swap for ?

We already discussed this. I'm going to stay in group five, and then also buy out group eight completely, thus leaving you with no Fenixes at all.

What's the plural of Fenix? Fenii?

Veni vidi vici hihi
Morley
skkatter wrote:
Morley wrote:

I'm pretty sure you are right, although I am hoping in the Dutch method, group 8 comes before 5

If this isn;t the case, then wanna swap for ?

We already discussed this. I'm going to stay in group five, and then also buy out group eight completely, thus leaving you with no Fenixes at all.

What's the plural of Fenix? Fenii?


Damn..I blew it!
Plural is "Funii"
doepferiano
yes: I WAS group 4
and yes I'll do some demo ASA I'll have sometime for me
(can you believe me? I have no space to put the 2 side by side: I have to sell a couple of doepfers)

very nice the SSqr... nanners nanners nanners

3vcos
Hey, Hey... there are others in group 4. 8_)

doepferiano wrote:
yes: I WAS group 4
and yes I'll do some demo ASA I'll have sometime for me
(can you believe me? I have no space to put the 2 side by side: I have to sell a couple of doepfers)

very nice the SSqr... nanners nanners nanners

Morley
3vcos wrote:
Hey, Hey... there are others in group 4. 8_)


You didn't get the message that all groups up to 8 were commandeered
by this dude

doepferiano
I forgot to say that the 2 guys were welcomed by the BIG/small bro:



the knobs and the material of the new ones is long way superior!
3vcos
I wonder how many Fenix 1 users are getting 2s and 3s?


doepferiano wrote:
I forgot to say that the 2 guys were welcomed by the BIG/small bro:



the knobs and the material of the new ones is long way superior!
Electronic Battle
UPDATE:

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL.html

Group 5 is now in production

At the bottom of the page are some links (Youtube and this forum, but also a Dutch forum too).
jenamu6
Yeah....love the links smile


Gotta make me another movie soon.
Electronic Battle
jenamu6 wrote:


Gotta make me another movie soon.


And (fingers crossed) a demo of one or more VCOs with sync depth varying from 0 to hard ... just one sustained low note, so I can hear what it sounds like with hard/soft sync between 2 or 3 oscillators...
sunnypedaal
took me some time to find this topic, thanks for the links on the fenix site

i'm in group 17........
please don't torture me no more with these nice pictures and sounds of yours fenixes oops
jenamu6
OK......a noodle.....so no hands, no edits no ext. FX.

Just the fenix II&III

[s]http://soundcloud.com/jenamu6/fenix-noodle[/s]
Morley
Cool. Thanks for that!
doepferiano
jenamu6 wrote:
OK......a noodle.....so no hands, no edits no ext. FX.

Just the fenix II&III

[s]http://soundcloud.com/jenamu6/fenix-noodle[/s]


thanks for the demo!

is the bouncing sound on the left channel created with the inner delay ?

help
jenamu6
Yep that's the onboard delay.

No good for really long delays, but excellent for weird fx and bouncing sounds.

@Electronic Battle

Could you please explain exactly what you would like to have demoed......cause I tried syncing up 1 vco with the other and started twisting the soft/hard sync pot.....didn't excite me that much.
chrisso
Wow, they always do great (and useful) stuff.
That little delay sounds fab!
doepferiano
I think I have a problem with my delay, IS SUPER SHORT !

in the meantime some FENIX glamour pr0n (with muffwiggler on top!):

Electronic Battle
jenamu6 wrote:

@Electronic Battle Could you please explain exactly what you would like to have demoed......cause I tried syncing up 1 vco with the other and started twisting the soft/hard sync pot.....didn't excite me that much.


Hello - that demo was excellent by the way! I hope I can learn to do similar work.

This MP3 http://www.colinfraser.com/spectrum/SpectrumSync.mp3 demonstrates what should happen when one VCO (master) has a slave synced to it and that sync is varied from off to soft to hard to fully hard (oo-er). The demo starts with a single VCO with slow and deep FM, then a second constant-pitch VCO which is the slaved VCO with the original swept VCO as the master, then soft sync of the two, then finally hard sync.

I'm hoping that you should get similar, very deep phasing-type tones generated. I only have one synth (Korg MonoPoly) with sync on it, and that is hard sync only, so to have a modular with variable sync (I am hoping) should enable similar effects as per the MP3. By the way, the MP3 is of the E&MM Spectrum synthesiser which was in kit form back in the 1980s - a 3VCO monosynth which was very nice.
jenamu6
@doepferiano

The delay is supershort, cause it uses a 2048 bbd.

You can get longer delays if you patch the -5v into the delay time.


@Electronic Battle
Will try something like that soon.
doepferiano
jenamu6 wrote:
@doepferiano

The delay is supershort, cause it uses a 2048 bbd.

You can get longer delays if you patch the -5v into the delay time.


thanks for the trick

a curiosity:
on the manual is written "2096" stages bbd... maybe Bert was undecided between a 4096 and a 2048 grin grin

the clock is between 1700 and 13000 Hz
does it mean that at minimum clock we get 1233 msecs delay ?
skkatter
Anybody know what BBD chip was used in the Fenix II?
doepferiano
skkatter wrote:
Anybody know what BBD chip was used in the Fenix II?


a 3208
jenamu6
doepferiano wrote:
jenamu6 wrote:
@doepferiano

The delay is supershort, cause it uses a 2048 bbd.

You can get longer delays if you patch the -5v into the delay time.


thanks for the trick

a curiosity:
on the manual is written "2096" stages bbd... maybe Bert was undecided between a 4096 and a 2048 grin grin

the clock is between 1700 and 13000 Hz
does it mean that at minimum clock we get 1233 msecs delay ?

I messed up the numbers smile
Don't know how long the delay can be.
Electronic Battle
a number of people wrote:


The delay is supershort
the clock is between 1700 and 13000 Hz
does it mean that at minimum clock we get 1233 msecs delay?
Don't know how long the delay can be.


The datasheet for the MN3208 says the clock is 10kHz to 100kHz which will correspond to delays as long as 102.4ms and as short as 10.24ms.
sunnypedaal
nice flangersounds, i presume
jenamu6
@Electronic Battle

I made a new demo trying to capture what you asked......
VCO 1 synced to VCO2.....VCO3 doing acid bubbles.

At 1:30 I start wiggling the hard/soft knob.
Nothing like a track or something.....

korg emx through filter1 of Fenix II
Sequencing FenixIII done live
sync sound is on 1 channel and without reverb so harsh.
All sounds from the fenix II in 1 take.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/jenamu6/fenix-sync-demo[/s]
Electronic Battle
At 1:30 and following - yes, that's the sort of tone!

Thanks very much - plenty to experiment with, Jean.


Best wishes and thanks for taking the trouble to look into this for me.
doepferiano
the fénix is GOD. we're not worthy
hellohihowareyou
Any Fenix 2+3 folks in the lower numbers want to swap places with someone in the mid-teens? I'll make it worth your while... 8_)

Hey, it worked for someone else around here...
hellohihowareyou
Still waiting for the arrival....

Almost there...

fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... Trampoline Trampoline Rasta-nana
thetwlo
hellohihowareyou wrote:
Still waiting for the arrival....

Almost there...

fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... fap fap fap... Trampoline Trampoline Rasta-nana


assume the 11 is next year.
Electronic Battle
Roll on group 6! All I have to do then is find the remaining money ... oh dear ...

cry

I keep checking the website but it still says group 5 is in production at the moment.
jenamu6
OK.....here's another demo of the FenixII&III.

Korg EMX drums trhu the Fenix filter.....Fenix sequencer is midi synced with the emx.

All sounds from the fenix......no fx.

[/video]
hellohihowareyou
Electronic Battle wrote:
Roll on group 6! All I have to do then is find the remaining money ... oh dear ...


You could swap places with me and then you'd have more time to get the money together. Think about how great it would be to have that terrible stress lifted from your shoulders! I would do that JUST FOR YOU! Hug


As far as the website, I don't think Bert updates very often. Just as well. I'd rather he was building Fenix's!
Electronic Battle
Now *that* is generous ... hihi

Actually, I might have to look into something like this - admittedly a slightly remote likelihood, but certainly an option. We've just found a huge crack on one of our house external walls - presumably subsidence , and presumably on account of the very dry weather we've had this past few months.

Insurance *should* cover it ... should ... but if it doesn't, we're in trouble. And it's a grand for the excess anyway.

sad banana
SMS303
Electronic Battle wrote:
Insurance *should* cover it ....

almost same here....
those f#cking insurancecompanies...
i have a capital life insurance for a period of 30 years and have paid allready 15yrs
they take your money with a smile and lot of promises..
i paid eur.50 monthly but those suckers only invest eur.30 and eat eur20 for fees...
they have to compensate all eaten fees over those past 15yrs
but if they have to pay they'll take much time as they will... very frustrating

i have to wait until end november, when i'm not satisfied about their compensation i have to sue them zombie Dead Banana

that's why i swapped places with Jean after i told Bert about the situation...
xart
Electronic Battle wrote:
I keep checking the website but it still says group 5 is in production at the moment.


GROUP 5 will be shipping in about 3 weeks. thumbs up
hellohihowareyou
He's been working on group 5 for 4 weeks or so already. This is going to take a much longer time than expected. Last time I spoke with him he said it was going slowly but that he had a system down and things were going to start picking up.

Originally I was under the impression that the boards were not hand-soldered but I guess I was wrong..
skkatter
I'm in group 5 and my II+III combination from heaven was delivered to my apartment today. Unfortunately I'm on holidays in another country at the moment so won't be able to play with it until Sunday!
mono-poly
Great news Skatter.
The boards are not being solderd by Bert.
But wiring these up and calibrating them eats a lot of time.
Bert does got a regular job!
doepferiano
mono-poly wrote:

But wiring these up and calibrating them eats a lot of time.


I know because he had to redo my phaser, delay, audio in, audio out board!
Electronic Battle
Yet another thing I haven't been able to work out (and by the way, let me say thanks to hellohihowareyou for explaining aspects of the FIII sequencer to me) is what the various VCO inputs mean:

4mm sockets marked
Zsync (on VCO3)
FM-a and FM-b (or is it FM-1 and FM-2): one or both on all VCOs
other wording I can't read

Can anyone clarify what the lettering is and what it does?
hellohihowareyou
I don't have answers for all of your questions, but wondering if you're having a hard time looking at the lettering because you don't have the front panel diagram which is very clear. If you don't, PM me your address and I'll email it to you. thumbs up

I would assume that FM a and b are the same as FM 1 and 2.
3vcos
I just got my Fenix 2 a couple days ago. If I remember later I can answer your questions as all the I/O and functions are explained in the manual
doepferiano
FM-A is for audio signals in input
FM-D is for direct current signals (IIRC)


Z-sync I have to re read the manual... smile
Electronic Battle
@hellohihowareyou - of course! The big PDFs of the FII and FIII...stupid of me to forget. Now I see clearly but don't know what they all do.

I hadn't appreciated that there would be a manual. I wonder if there is a PDF of it available, does anybody know? It would be nice to "learn" the instrument prior to its arrival.
3vcos
Correct about FM-a and FM-d

Cant remember z sync right now.

The vcos all have some very interesting features built in.

vco1 has a wave multiplier similar to the cyndustries wave mult. 3 phase shifted waves each modulated by their own lfo for example.

doepferiano wrote:
FM-A is for audio signals in input
FM-D is for direct current signals (IIRC)


Z-sync I have to re read the manual... smile
doepferiano
doepferiano wrote:

Z-sync I have to re read the manual... smile


Z-sync stands for Zero Sync.
The master will reset the slave vco when traversing the 0 volts point

this means nice phase delay effects. vco at same frequency should delay the phase 90 deg
Electronic Battle
can someone talk about something to do with the FII and FIII please ...

(actually @ 3vcos and @ skkater - you've just had your FII and / or FIII arrive - was it well packed, is the instruction manual comprehensive, have you done any MP3s/video clips yet?)
skkatter
I'm on holidays in the Irish countryside, those Fenix boxes are sitting unopened in my apartment in Berlin! I get back tomorrow though.
skkatter
[s]http://soundcloud.com/splitradix/bandpassy-wassy/s-lrDOf[/s]
vassili
skkatter wrote:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/splitradix/bandpassy-wassy/s-lrDOf[/s]



thumbs up
Electronic Battle
Nice - very nice in fact.

My patience needs to be topped up again - can hardly wait!
skkatter
doepferiano
applause
skkatter wrote:
vassili
amazing! sound gorgeous!


How did you synchronize your mpc with the Fenix?
skkatter
Kenton Pro Solo and a Make Noise Format Jumbler to get from 3.5mm to banana.
Electronic Battle
@skkatter - the filtering sounds very good indeed. It'll take ages to get to grips with all of it.

How are you getting on with the sequencer? What's VCO stability like on the FII? I wonder if the filters all self-oscillate and if they track at a volt/oct too.
m0rb1d
beautiful vocal-ish sounds, that filter is nuts!
Dead Banana
skkatter
Electronic Battle wrote:
How are you getting on with the sequencer? What's VCO stability like on the FII? I wonder if the filters all self-oscillate and if they track at a volt/oct too.

I'm still trying learning how to use the sequencer, there are a lot of options there so it can get pretty complicated. Also I noticed there's a miss-print on the sequencer in one section which confused me for a while until I figured out it was a mistake. (the section that says "Gate C4" near the bottom right of mine should say "Gate A4"). Do other people's sequencer have this miss-print also? Does it make mine even more of a collectors item? ;)

VCF1 and VCF2 self oscillate and they track fine over at least five octaves. VCF3 and VCF4 don't self oscillate as they don't have resonance controls. VCF3 is the formant filter I used in the last video and VCF4 is, according to the manual: "a low pass gate like the one found in the Buchla Music Easel".
doepferiano
>>Do other people's sequencer have this miss-print also?
YEP
I have the same error...

>>Does it make mine even more of a collectors item? wink
NOPE... grin

VCF3 is great, I'd like to control it perfectly to have vowels using FIII...
mono-poly
VCF3 with LFO3 is really killer indeed.
Love those modules a lot.
3vcos
skkatter wrote:
Electronic Battle wrote:
o.

VCF1 and VCF2 self oscillate and they track fine over at least five octaves. VCF3 and VCF4 don't self oscillate as they don't have resonance controls. VCF3 is the formant filter I used in the last video and VCF4 is, according to the manual: "a low pass gate like the one found in the Buchla Music Easel".


VCF3 has beautiful resonance if you patch it back into itself. It will certainly self oscillate as well. VCF 4 gets much closer to a buchla type lpg when you patch some feedback/resonance too the signal.
aumgn
skkatter wrote:
[/quote]

jesus wept
Electronic Battle
Can the BBD handle the 10V (I think) peak signal that the VCO signal output generates?

Such that, for example, you could use the BBD to create delays which are LFO controlled in length, and then take the BBD signal output into the sync input of the same/other VCO (self sync-modulation for want of a better term) ?

(Perhaps there is some attenuation and gain available to do this without ruining the signal-to-noise ratio, assuming that the BBD itself would get overdriven otherwise when fed with a "hot" VCO signal).
mono-poly
Electronic Battle Yes it handles all signals it's marked black the input like most inputs on the Fenix II wink
skkatter
Anybody else notice that the sequencer lags a bit when clocked via midi clock? If I send a clock signal direct to the clock inputs it's perfectly in time, but when synced to midi clock its a bit behind the master.
mono-poly
The prototype

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12541415/FNX.JPG
doepferiano
All HAIL the prototype we're not worthy we're not worthy

mono-poly wrote:
The prototype

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12541415/FNX.JPG
m0rb1d
my god.
SunSpots
ugggh... still totally jealous that I can't have one of the sequencers, and likely will never have the synth. Dead Banana
hellohihowareyou
What does everyone think of the banana cables that Bert sells? I ordered 2 sets and am wondering how I will like them compared to my pile of pomonas.
jenamu6
The cables are quite nice and flexible.
hellohihowareyou
Thanks for the feedback. Any idea what brand of cables and jacks are used?
doepferiano
jenamu6 wrote:
The cables are quite nice and flexible.


yes, very flexible,
but one black failed: one of the plug detached an remained in a sad banana
luckily was easy to extract... It's peanut butter jelly time!
doepferiano
Question to the users:

Is the gate delay eating gates?

with some input and some speed works, sometimes not.

My guess is that is smearing the edge of pulse... or not ?

thanks

at
Electronic Battle
Tonight's message from Bert:

"Hi,
I preparing your Fénix. The unit will be ready in
about 3 three weeks from now.
Please check the info below, I need this for the shipment".

applause It's peanut butter jelly time! w00t etc.
renzo
Electronic Battle wrote:
Tonight's message from Bert:

"Hi,
I preparing your Fénix. The unit will be ready in
about 3 three weeks from now.
Please check the info below, I need this for the shipment".

applause It's peanut butter jelly time! w00t etc.


lucky ---> YOU smile
hellohihowareyou
Congratulations, EB!

GO, BERT, GO!
Electronic Battle
and another thing:

Please can someone with an FII or FIII tell me about the knobs on the FII and FIII - what shaft size are the pots that they fit onto?

Is it 6.3mm (1/4") splined, or grub-screw, or ?
Reese P. Dubin
Electronic Battle wrote:
Tonight's message from Bert:

"Hi,
I preparing your Fénix. The unit will be ready in
about 3 three weeks from now.
Please check the info below, I need this for the shipment".

applause It's peanut butter jelly time! w00t etc.


WhAt group are you in?

I am beginning to get itchy.
Electronic Battle
I'm in group six, and I'm buying the FII and FIII.
doepferiano
Electronic Battle wrote:
and another thing:

Please can someone with an FII or FIII tell me about the knobs on the FII and FIII - what shaft size are the pots that they fit onto?

Is it 6.3mm (1/4") splined, or grub-screw, or ?


can you check from this image ?
Electronic Battle
Aha! Perfect picture, thanks. That's either 1/4" (6.3mm) splined or 6mm splined , so that the knobs just push on.

Why did you take the Fenix apart - curiosity or modifications or for answering my question? It looks a good quality board layout and manufacture, that's for certain.
analogmodular
If you are in the United States - be ready with a check for a $368.10 ($184.05 for the Fenix and $184.05 sequencer) UPS will not give you your package unless you have the money to pay the "brokerage fees."

Can we get a tea party emoticon?
thetwlo
analogmodular wrote:
If you are in the United States - be ready with a check for a $368.10 ($184.05 for the Fenix and $184.05 sequencer) UPS will not give you your package unless you have the money to pay the "brokerage fees."


how much was shipping? also, how was it shipped? If it's shipped UPS Red or Blue I don't think they charge the brokerage fees, they will still collect the customs of course which is what, around 5%?
Might be worth upgrading the shipping to two-day to avoid those fees? just guessing-no idea.
thanks!
thetwlo
ignore---oops! double post.
analogmodular
They ship UPS Express Saver incl insurance (2-3 day to the United States from Holland) Shipping is around $429 TOTAL for both units.

I do not know about taxes yet. . . .I'm sure we will get hit later in the year like usual with a suprize synth tax.....I got a letter from the government, the other day / I opened and read it, it said THAT WE ARE suckers . . . . thumbs up UPS tax letters can come years later after the tax man does a audit. . .
thetwlo
analogmodular wrote:
They ship UPS Express Saver incl insurance (2-3 day to the United States from Holland) Shipping is around $429 TOTAL for both units.


thanks! good to know what to expect. A bit confused looking at their info(maybe i'm missing something) looks like there should be "no charge" for brokerage services with Express Saver, are you certain that's not the customs tax you were charged?
UPS Customs Fees
doepferiano
Electronic Battle wrote:
Why did you take the Fenix apart

curiosity... smile
jenamu6
Anybody having some user tips they might wanna share?

Especially for the sequencer.

My tip: -5v gives you much deeper range for LFO's, slews and the Delay
Electronic Battle
doepferiano wrote:
Electronic Battle wrote:
Why did you take the Fenix apart

curiosity... smile


applause Good man! applause

You and I (and I suspect many other Wigglers) are cast from the same mould.

Everything I have ends up being taken apart to see what makes it work.

Sometimes, it gets put back together again.

Sometimes, it still works ...
richard
just putting you guys on my list of people not to buy used gear from hihi
analogmodular
skkatter wrote:
Anybody else notice that the sequencer lags a bit when clocked via midi clock? If I send a clock signal direct to the clock inputs it's perfectly in time, but when synced to midi clock its a bit behind the master.



Any update on this? Have you found a way around this?
Reese P. Dubin
doepferiano wrote:
Electronic Battle wrote:
Why did you take the Fenix apart

curiosity... smile


The busted off pot on the far right of the board may provide some answers.
analogmodular
jenamu6 wrote:
Anybody having some user tips they might wanna share?

Especially for the sequencer.

My tip: -5v gives you much deeper range for LFO's, slews and the Delay



Working my way thru the sequencer now, complex! (and fun!)

I am having a disconnect between the sequencer, manual and what is going on when I use it. (It may be a language issue on my end) SUM outputs are commonly known as "GATE" outputs correct? Why do you have to use a buffer when connecting to things? I seem to get the same results if I connect a gate (SUM - YELLOW JACK) out to a ADSR if I use a buffer or not? hmmm..... On the sequencer is the "buffer" just another name for BOOLAIN LOGIC? in modular synth speak? It seem to be doing the same thing?

To further confuse my BUFFER issue, take a look at page 33 of the manual. The patching example shows a SUM (gate) #7 going into the AND BUFFER and nothing going into the IN BUFFER..... hmmm.....

This will not work - my understanding in practice is that you ALWAYS need something going into the IN BUFFER and the AND (both high) to trigger.... Lets say the manual is wrong - and I think it is...and you go out of SUM#7 into the IN BUFFER then to an ADSR..... why use the BUFFER? I get the same results if I go from SUM #7 (OR ANY SUM/GATE out - directly into the ADSR hmmm..... What am I missing?
analogmodular
analogmodular
analogmodular
hmmm.....

Electronic Battle
PAGE UPDATE: http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL.html

"production is now running for group 6"

a new drone sample and a new link (I think)
Electronic Battle
Bert's just emailed me - my units will be sent to me next week! Standard UPS shipping, including insurance.

Time to plan the next bank job ...
Morley
group 8. He said by the end of the year..
vassili



w00t
MN3005
w00t FOR SURE!!
skkatter
Interesting to see the sequencer on the right guys. I'm a sequencer on the left guy.

One other question, do your serial numbers also have your initials in them?
vassili
skkatter wrote:


do your serial numbers also have your initials in them?



Yes!
doepferiano
seq to the left too... (with my initials in the SN... razz)
Reese P. Dubin
Looks like an original Aarnio ball chair in the background, no?
vassili
Reese P. Dubin wrote:
Looks like an original Aarnio ball chair in the background, no?


yes it is!
m0rb1d
vassili wrote:
skkatter wrote:


do your serial numbers also have your initials in them?



Yes!

awesome, amazing picture as well! looks quite cozy thumbs up
vassili
m0rb1d wrote:
vassili wrote:
skkatter wrote:


do your serial numbers also have your initials in them?



Yes!

awesome, amazing picture as well! looks quite cozy thumbs up



Thanks!
kultbox
If you will be in Chicago for the LZX 2011 Analogue Video Synthesizer Workshop November 5 - we will be doing a hands on DEMO of the FENIX II and III in the evening after the workshop. If you are not registered for the workshop but want to stop in for the FENIX demo drop us a PM. thumbs up
kultbox
Morley
Can't wait!!!!!!!! It's peanut butter jelly time! Dead Banana
doepferiano
kultbox wrote:


you are going to sell that SAM 16... grin
kultbox
doepferiano wrote:

you are going to sell that SAM 16... grin



Funny you should say that.... The SAM is very "playable" and has the "split sequence" thing that I love... As you know you can split sequences in one of the FENIX III sequencers to do cool things like the SAM.
dkcg
I just saw a used original Fenix for sale at a new store in LA near my house. Beautiful condition, very clean (at least on the outside). It looked like the previous owner took care of it. So if any of you can't wait, PM me and I'll point you in their direction (I have no affiliation, but the synth looks lonely in the store and thought a wiggler might take interest). Pricey tho...$7000. Being sold on consignment at a new vintage instrument store in my neck of the woods.
vav
kultbox wrote:


I'm coming over sunday. Do you want Pina Colada or Jamaican Me Happy?
skkatter
doepferiano wrote:
you are going to sell that SAM 16... :D

I've also got a SAM 16, it's different to the Fenix sequencer. The Fenix's (Fenix'?) pots aren't physically quantised, if you want to quantise the CV to regular notes you can patch it through the quantise section.

However it's still a lot easier and faster to create musical sequences with the SAM 16 as the top row is always locked to semitones. So in my opinion it's useful having both of them.
Electronic Battle
"This message was sent to you at the request of VERMEULEN to notify you that the electronic shipment information below has been transmitted to UPS".

Number of Packages: 2
UPS Service: STANDARD
UPS carbon neutral: YES
Weight: 40,0 KGS

Fenix II and Fenix III on their way!
Electronic Battle
The FII and FIII got collected by UPS from Bert on Monday, and arrived here in England about an hour ago.

They both came very very well packed, people might be glad to hear: Fenix inside a plastic bag, then wrapped in some bubble wrap, fitted inside a cardboard box, which was clad on its outer faces with plywood, then sandwiched by polystyrene beads into a final larger cardboard box. Best packing I have ever seen, upon reflection.

Both units are now unpacked and show no damage. Both are switched on and I'm warming up the FII, waiting for the red LED "eye" of the Fenix bird to turn green. Whilst I wait:

1) Units are clearly very robustly made and they look, to my eye at least, elegant.

2) Knob spacings, controls etc. seem sufficiently compact so as not to be huge units (they're not exactly small units either) but with enough room to get hold of the controls without accidentally nudging other neighbouring ones.

LED is now green (approx 10 - 15 minutes) so i'm off to see if I can make it work! I will attempt a bit more feedback but please bear in mind I am yet to work out a decent way of recording audio to MP3, I haven't any video capability and I haven't owned a Fenix before so it will take a bit of learning!
Morley
We expect a full multi tracked demo by tea time sir!
Come on!

Rockin' Banana!

Seriously, thanks for the info. Nice to know you are pleased with the build. My opinion is that Bert (and Marc) build (built) great units.
skkatter
I never realised that LED turning green signified anything. I never noticed the sound changing much after it being on for ten minutes.
Morley
The sound shouldn't really change but it should be more stable, no?
Electronic Battle
Here's a shot of the type of 4mm banana plug used, by the way:

bananas!
Electronic Battle
useful tip number 472: in order to avoid tears of frustration, remember to connect the FII to the FIII using the rear banana socket.

The Fenix PSUs are double insulated - no earth pin on the mains connector - so to reference the sequencer output voltages to the synthesiser, you need to earth them. I spent an hour today getting steadily more furious with myself because i couldn't get a tune out of the FIII.Even the quantiser didn't work - proof that I was incompetent or Bert had had a bad day or UPS had violently shaken the instrument!

Then I remembered the rear panel black 4mm socket and all was well.
kultbox
skkatter wrote:
I never realised that LED turning green signified anything. I never noticed the sound changing much after it being on for ten minutes.



Wait - I am not in front of the machine now - but red/green light I thought was for " analog or midi" clock mode. flick the switch and watch it change color! thumbs up
kultbox
Electronic Battle wrote:
Here's a shot of the type of 4mm banana plug used, by the way:

bananas!



Interesting fact - they fit Serge jacks well but are loose in Modcan jacks. hmmm.....
Electronic Battle
@kultbox - yes, I hadn't spotted that either! So we have:

FII ... red LED changing to green means VCOs warmed up

FIII ... red LED = MIDI clock, green = internal clock

Blimey, the FIII is a complicated sequencer. I struggle enough with a MAQ16/3 and now this one!

The FII manual has an error which I spotted. There are 2 mono outputs and no stereo output on the production FII units. He's just sent me a corrected FII manual.

The FII is great - I am confused as anything!
Electronic Battle
http://soundcloud.com/electronic_battle/fii-and-fiii-fii-test-with

I've managed to bodge up a method of recording (badly hence the background noise and probable saturation of various stages) my first efforts.

It's a lot of fun but I have bitten off more than I can chew for the time being. i'm used to MS-10s and 20s and other old Korgs.
kultbox
Working my way thru the Fenix III tonight trying to understand the do's and dont's w/ interfacing other gear. Still trying to understand the logic behind the "Buffer" modules - when to use them and when you don't need to use them. The reason for the confusion on my end is the line in the manual that reads " It is advisable to use a buffer module if you connect this bus to normal gate sources or inputs"- Yet none of the examples shown in the Fenix III manual show using the buffer modules between yellow GATE/SUM outs and inputs. seriously, i just don't get it To further confuse me I am getting different voltage outputs from the GATES in the FENIX II and III - what is the purpose of this - I don't yet understand. hmmm.....

If you plan to use the sequencer with other systems like serge - I just did some readings that will be helpful:

Fenix III: YELLOW GATE OUTPUTS = 13.69V Dead Banana

GATE OUT TO BUFFER 1 IN = BLUE OUT 7.97V YELLOW OUT 7.47V

GATE OUT TO BUFFER 2 IN = BLUE 9.87V YELLOW OUT 9.72V

GTATE OUT TO BUFFER 3 IN = BLUE OUT 9.87V YELLOW OUT 9.71V

FENIX II:

YELLOW GATE OUT 6.13V
YELLOW GATE OUT TO BUFFER IN = BLUE OUT = 6.13V

So its the same voltage out from the blue and yellow sequencer jacks in the fenix II but not the fenix III? why? hmmm.....

In "real world use" I am getting the results I want and everything is working as expected (less the logic error on page 33 of the manual I think and the fact that the panel on the fenix III GATE C4 should be A4)
Electronic Battle
Quote:
Yet none of the examples shown in the Fenix III manual show using the buffer modules between yellow GATE/SUM outs and inputs


I wish I could help - it is a very complex machine. My suggestion is to email Bert; he's very helpful and he might spot that there is a mistake in the manual (possibly).
Electronic Battle
A bit more info on the FII and FIII, more specifically the cable sets that you can order (I did).

One of the cable sets contains a pair of long blue leads (part number ML100S), whereby one end is a 4mm plug but the other end is unterminated. This is intentional : Bert did it so that users could put their own ends on (say a 1/4" plug or something).

He's also included a couple of 3.5mm leads - plug on one end, unterminated on the other end.

From my point of view, it is nice to have a modern modular. All of the other gear I have (well, apart from the Doepfer MAQ16/3) is getting on for at least 30 years old. Still very usable, but prone to a bit of drift or noise where I don't want it to be. The FII seems rocks solid.
Electronic Battle
Please excuse my enthusiasm , but I'm very impressed how a 3VCO machine can sound like a *lot* more than just 3 VCOs ... using the waveshaper, and also cross-sync between VCOs, gets some very impressive harmonies.

I'm yet to dive into the filters - haven't needed them yet. Haven't even connected a keyboard yet (I haven't got round to modifying my MonoPoly to give me 4 x cVs and 4 x gates, boards are done but not populated yet).

What does a low pass gate do? I'll try it later, once I have got beyond the initial experiments with the shaper and, in a moment or three, the wave multiplier.
kultbox
Electronic Battle wrote:

What does a low pass gate do? I'll try it later, once I have got beyond the initial experiments with the shaper and, in a moment or three, the wave multiplier.


VCA + LOW PASS FILTER (for that Buchla bongo sound) The manual says it is a copy of the Buchla weasel lowpass gate -

http://www.synthfool.com/docs/Buchla/PaMtEO.pdf

http://rubidium.dyndns.org/~magnus/synths/companies/buchla/Buchla_2920 C_200.jpg

doepfer has a good manual on how to best use it=

http://www.doepfer.de/a100_man/a1012_man.pdf


I have not yet found the "sweet spot" with it yet......I need to experiment more with the a/r adsr envelopes on how best to trigger it....my results have not been very bongo-ish yet.

Shang Yang’s warning about ancient modular synth texts: ‘Anyone who studies ancient texts without a teacher, trying to discover what they mean merely by the use of his own intelligence, will not to his dying day make out either the words or their general meaning.’

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Electronic Battle
A track which has the FII driving a Korg MS-10 and MS-20. Still a poor quality recording, mainly because I don't know how to work my mixer properly and I have some sort of audio "whine" that I can't shift. This one is done by placing the mic of my VC-10 vocoder right next to the speaker, and connecting the mic to an Alesis iO|2 USB interface. Sounds OK, sort of. Until towards the end, when it gets worse because I had the bright idea of moving the mic away fro the speaker a bit.

http://soundcloud.com/electronic_battle/piece-of-cake
kultbox
kultbox wrote:
Working my way thru the Fenix III tonight trying to understand the do's and dont's w/ interfacing other gear. Still trying to understand the logic behind the "Buffer" modules - when to use them and when you don't need to use them. The reason for the confusion on my end is the line in the manual that reads " It is advisable to use a buffer module if you connect this bus to normal gate sources or inputs"- Yet none of the examples shown in the Fenix III manual show using the buffer modules between yellow GATE/SUM outs and inputs. seriously, i just don't get it To further confuse me I am getting different voltage outputs from the GATES in the FENIX II and III - what is the purpose of this - I don't yet understand. hmmm.....

If you plan to use the sequencer with other systems like serge - I just did some readings that will be helpful:

Fenix III: YELLOW GATE OUTPUTS = 13.69V Dead Banana

GATE OUT TO BUFFER 1 IN = BLUE OUT 7.97V YELLOW OUT 7.47V

GATE OUT TO BUFFER 2 IN = BLUE 9.87V YELLOW OUT 9.72V

GTATE OUT TO BUFFER 3 IN = BLUE OUT 9.87V YELLOW OUT 9.71V

FENIX II:

YELLOW GATE OUT 6.13V
YELLOW GATE OUT TO BUFFER IN = BLUE OUT = 6.13V

So its the same voltage out from the blue and yellow sequencer jacks in the fenix II but not the fenix III? why? hmmm.....

In "real world use" I am getting the results I want and everything is working as expected (less the logic error on page 33 of the manual I think and the fact that the panel on the fenix III GATE C4 should be A4)



Ok....I got all of this sorted out with a quick conversation with Bert (thumbs up


from Bert:


The buffers has several functions
The yellow outputs are special output. At some inputs they act like a OR port.

The original purpose is to convert these special outputs int normaly buffered output. But not using a buffer can give sometimes supprising or unexpecting effects..

Try to connect without a buffer some gate outputs to an other clock in and try the same with a buffer. See patch 9.4. I have add an extra drawing.

Other function is to see what the gate is doing ( Led)
I have add also some extra features to some buffers but the basic function is stil convert it

The gate outputs must be > 5 volt For the fenix is the value not important The Yellow gate outputs are high because i redesign this module because i was not satisfied, But the consequence was that the output was higher as the other outputs.

Why the FII differs from FIII. That has to do with the design. The buffer of the FII ( from the seq) differs also. This buffer is an anlaog buffer and follow the input signal ( not the and input) the busser at FIII is only low or high.



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kultbox
analogmodular wrote:


I am having a disconnect between the sequencer, manual and what is going on when I use it. (It may be a language issue on my end) SUM outputs are commonly known as "GATE" outputs correct? Why do you have to use a buffer when connecting to things? I seem to get the same results if I connect a gate (SUM - YELLOW JACK) out to a ADSR if I use a buffer or not?



In most cases you will get the same result when you use a buffer or not but in the case you connect a yellow out to a input which hase an internal function in that case it will react differently. Fi the clock input. If you add an external clock ( blue output) the internal clock is disconnected. But if you use a signal from a yellow output the clock to the seq will be the internal clock OR the gate signal.

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kultbox
analogmodular wrote:

To further confuse my BUFFER issue, take a look at page 33 of the manual. The patching example shows a SUM (gate) #7 going into the AND BUFFER and nothing going into the IN BUFFER..... hmmm.....


That is wrong. Corrected that in the new manual.
kultbox
analogmodular wrote:


This will not work - my understanding in practice is that you ALWAYS need something going into the IN BUFFER and the AND (both high) to trigger.... Lets say the manual is wrong - and I think it is...and you go out of SUM#7 into the IN BUFFER then to an ADSR..... why use the BUFFER? I get the same results if I go from SUM #7 (OR ANY SUM/GATE out - directly into the ADSR hmmm..... What am I missing?


In this case there is no need to use a buffer except you can see the gate (led) thats why Bert used the buffer. But you can use the and input to start stop the gate signal but Bert did not put this in the example..
kultbox
Bert added this to the manual today to clear up the dopey buffer questions...... thumbs up
kultbox
analogmodular wrote:


To further confuse my BUFFER issue, take a look at page 33 of the manual. The patching example shows a SUM (gate) #7 going into the AND BUFFER and nothing going into the IN BUFFER.....

This will not work - my understanding in practice is that you ALWAYS need something going into the IN BUFFER and the AND (both high) to trigger.... Lets say the manual is wrong - and I think it is...and you go out of SUM#7 into the IN BUFFER then to an ADSR..... why use the BUFFER? I get the same results if I go from SUM #7 (OR ANY SUM/GATE out - directly into the ADSR What am I missing?


Bert fixed this manual error today.... thumbs up

skkatter
Somebody tell Bert to change all instances of the word "weather" in the manual to "whether". Thanks!
skkatter
Electronic Battle wrote:
I'm yet to dive into the filters

That's like buying a new Lamborghini and saying "Yeah, it's great so far, I haven't needed to go past second gear yet though."
Electronic Battle
Quote:
... weather" in the manual to "whether"...


I'm hoping to work with Bert to tidy up one or two bits of the manual (which is a pretty good document as it stands) so that things like that get corrected. There are one or two accidentally repeated sentences here and there and a few other minor aspects to sort out.

Quote:
Yeah, it's great so far, I haven't needed to go past second gear yet though


True hihi - but more apt, perhaps, to say it's like buying a new Lamborghini and then finding out what the controls are, what the gearbox is like, what the dashboard is telling me, how to adjust the mirrors etc!

I've now played with the filters a bit though; I think the formant is a lot like the PS-3100's resonators but with the added benfit of VC per resonator, something that I always thought would be a nice modification on the PS-3100.
Pozor
So you guys expect a Dutch synthbuilder not only to create the best synth ever but to write a flawless manual as well?
Better start brushing up your Spanish and Mandarin dudes.
Electronic Battle
Another quick demo - still hopeless recording quality I am sorry to say.

It sounds better live, honest ...

http://soundcloud.com/electronic_battle/291011-1

Background info:
Fenix FII, with LFO 5 driving three VCAs with phase-offset waveforms, such that the three VCOs fade in/out cyclically; audio to phaser via delay, both of which are driven from other LFOs. Background sequence is Korg MS-10 driven from a MAQ16/3.
hellohihowareyou
For everyone's information, I've already talked to Bert about revising the manual and am most of the way through editing both the F2 and F3. I'm not trying to make them perfect as I believe that would only be possible with a complete rewrite, but I am sorting out the grammatical errors, mistakes, misspellings, etc.

If you have any thoughts, PM me.
jenamu6
Well I for one would like a total rewrite of the sequencer manual.....with better examples and explanation.
hellohihowareyou
I'm considering an eventual rewrite, but for not, I only have time for a general clean-up.
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kultbox
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Electronic Battle
no new products to be seen from Malekko for the next few months then ...

lol
mono-poly
We should start a Fenix XL band w00t
Morley
mono-poly wrote:
We should start a Fenix XL band w00t


Hopefully I can join by the end of the year w00t
Electronic Battle
Quote:
... Fenix XL band


Damn ... "band" seems to imply you'd need talent of some sort to play along with others ... that's me ruled out then. hihi

It would be good to have some MIDI-CV interaces, one each, with an ethernet port and an IP address. Collaborative long-range playing!
doepferiano
I'm out of the band too .. grin
skkatter
mono-poly wrote:
We should start a Fenix XL band

We could Dennis, but none of us own Fenix XLs apart from you!

The rest of us could start a Fenix II+III band maybe. ;)
skkatter
Just in case anybody's not on the list and is interested in paying an extra 3000+ dollars for a Fenix II: http://muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45790
jenamu6
Anybody had any luck with the buffers of the sequencer yet?

I tried using the switch buffer, to get 32 steps.......but didn't work for me.
Electronic Battle
I don't yet know how to do that - if you could describe your patching, I could try to replicate it if you like.

Which manual edition are you working from? Perhaps Bert has updated and corrected any errors.
jenamu6
From my head, it's buffer 2.

You have 2 ins, 1 select and Out.

So patch row A into in1, row B into in2.......now you should be able to switch between 1 and 2 with a trigger/gate to SELECT.

Doesn't work for me hmmm..... seriously, i just don't get it
jenamu6
Oh.....I wanna say this is the most complete standalone modular synth....in one package.... ever made.

And it sounds sooooooooooooo GOOD. applause applause applause applause applause
Electronic Battle
yeah but no but yeah but ... SHUTUP (Little Britain quote, a reflection of what was going through my mind a moment ago as I tried to grapple with the FIII complexity)

Right then ... I couldn't get it to work either BUT I did have success in proving that buffer2 does work.

Failed: I took CVout from chA and I took CVout from chB. I put chA's CVout into buffer2 "InA" and I put chB's CVout into buffer2 "InB".
I used the +5V socket on the FIII to inject that level into buffer2 "select". Nothing happened - no LED on buffer2.

Success: instead of chA and chB CVouts, I took a nice obvious square wave from LFO2 and another nice obvious square wave LFO3. I set one to a fast rate and one to a slow rate. The LED indicator on buffer2 was observed to flash at a rate dependent on the settings of the LFO rates as a function of +5V being injected into the select inout of buffer2. The signal coming from buffer2 was observed to match the selected input.

This proves that the select input is working and one input (A or B) is thus connected to the output of Buffer2.

So I hope that helps - I will do more experimenting. I echo your sentiments - these really are quite extraordinary machines. I am out of my depth and overwhelmed!

Edit: I note that the buffer2 output automatically changes even when there's no select input present - perhaps some aspect of the gate switch settings elsewhere in the machine (which I don't understand).
jenamu6
The manual says it can be used to switch and make 32 steps patterns.........I tried and tried......but no way i can get it to work.
Even tried all possible combinations.....cause I thought it was miss wired or something.

Im totally in love with the synth......I am less impressed with the sequencer....could be my own shortcommings though
Electronic Battle
I now know that buffer2 is functional; I believe that buffer2 is perhaps normalled-through internally (maybe) to some other control line. I now need to somehow find where the internal control signals is derived from (assuming there is one and I haven't misunderstood).

I've not read the FIII manual yet so I may well be barking up the wrong tree.

edit: some sort of internal control enables the select line on buffer2 periodically. Once that has been tracked down (Mono-Poly probably knows this off the top of his head!) we might be on to something.

Might ...
Electronic Battle
B1 amplitude, if set above approx 10, causes buffer2 to switch momentarily.

So if you set (say) the first 8 of the B1 knobs to ten and the second set of 8 to zero, ...

erm, hang on a minute. It's gone mental. I've no idea what it (or I) is doing.

However, there does seem to be connectivity between buffer2 and the rest of the FIII.

Reading the manual might take a while, but ...
Electronic Battle
I've spoken to Bert and confirmed that the buffer2 is working correctly, but I too am unable to get inA and inB to switch after 16 steps (which would enable a 32 step sequence).

Another problem I am seeing - the two quantisers are not properly independent.
If I tune a sequence on channel A and quantise it through quantiser 1, it sounds in tune.
If I then disconnect channel A, then tune a sequence on channel B (or use channel A again) and this time quantise it through quantiser 2, it also sounds in tune.
If I then connect both , then one is detuned by the other by an amount of a semitone. Both quantisers are affected; instead of the quantiser output remaining close to 0V (within a few mV of zero) it rises to 77mV and hence gets round up to a semitone (83mV step for a semitone scale quantisation process)

I have done some detailed measurements and sent the results to Bert.

Has anyone else had this problem?
Electronic Battle
Hello All

I'm still getting to grips with the sequencer (slowly) and the FII itself. I'm working with Bert to look at the quantisers and he's helping me understand how to get the best out of them. Has anyone repeated my tests in order to add information?

Also, playing with VCF2 - I can't hear any difference between the LPF outputs LP12/LP18/LP24. It's probably my inexperience of the sound that different filter rolloffs give, but to my ears, there isn't any difference. I've listened to saws and pulses, over-driven or not, lots of Q or not much. The only difference I can detect is with white noise and then the 12dB/oct might sound slightly - very slightly - different from the LP18/LP24 outputs. Maybe. If I persuade myself. And really will myself to hear a difference.

Am I doing something wrong?
hellohihowareyou
Did you ever bring the issue with the quantiser up to Bert? You should mention the VCF issue too. I would love to know what's going on with these and whether this is a design problem.
Electronic Battle
Hello

Yes, Bert's taking a look at the quantisers. He's got one on the bench to do some measurements on. There's an easy way round it - just retune the VCOs when the quantisers are connected (to get rid of the offset interaction), and *then* dial in your sequence. Also, part of the setting up is that the "zero" position on the FIII sequence pitch knob doesn't necessarily clamp to 0V. This means that, if you set all knobs to their mechanical lower end stop, you won't get the base VCO note per step - it'll have a semitone variation. Again, it's not a huge problem. You just set them all to zero and then retune all up or some down a semitone until they are all at your chosen base (root) note. Then off you go - it's an easy enough task really.

So I don't think it is a design problem - just artefacts therein. People oughtn't to feel concerned (I reckon).

I shan't ask him about the VCF just yet - partly because he's got his hands full making machines and looking at the quantiser matter, and partly because I am not certain that the problem isn't in my ears!

So I throw the question open for FII owners (or Fenix originals or people who know more than me aboout 12dB/oct roll-off vs 18 vs 24 and how different they should or shouldn't sound).

What should I do to hear the differences?
kultbox
Your good...
I guess filter 2 is a 24lopass and you are correct no big difference in the 12 or 18 that would make it really stand out. Send it some fm and mix the outputs to get interesting stuff going on...

If you read the AH archives many people had the same bitch about the original fenix. thumbs up
Blue Meanie
I agree there isn't much of a difference between VCF 2 outputs. Maybe that is why the Fenix 1 had a 5 pole instead of the 4 pole for the same reason? Then the people spoke and he changed it to a 4 pole to make it more Moog like.

Outside of that this is an amazing piece of gear!!! Well worth the wait!! w00t I have yet to try everything. Great work Bert!!! Guinness ftw!
Electronic Battle
kultbox wrote:
Send it some fm and mix the outputs to get interesting stuff going on...


Ah, yes; thanks- that shows some subtle differences. Not dramatic, but certainly there.

(I must admit that, listening to (say) a plain sawtooth or pulse waveform, I still can't hear any differences when I change cutoff, irrespective of resonance control settings).
Morley
I would imagine the difference in the filter outputs would be more noticeable when sweeping the filter (especially with resonance). The response should be different over the range.
jenamu6
I'm curious about how you found out buffer 2 is working......cause if you can't switch....it's clearly NOT working.

I'll contact Bert about this.
ndkent
jenamu6 wrote:
The manual says it can be used to switch and make 32 steps patterns.........I tried and tried......but no way i can get it to work.
Even tried all possible combinations.....cause I thought it was miss wired or something.

Im totally in love with the synth......I am less impressed with the sequencer....could be my own shortcommings though


I don't have mine yet, but isn't the standard technique for long sequences basically you run two 16 (for example) step sequences at the same time into a 2 in 1 out VC switch. Step one trig out or something along those lines is what makes the switch switch to the parallel sequence then back again on the next pass..
jenamu6
yep....and according to the manual.....you dhould do that with buffer 2
Blue Meanie
Hey question to current Fenix II owners, what color is the Clock-Out on the 8 step sequencer. Mine is yellow instead blue. The reason I asked is I messaged Bert and he said the manual is wrong. I have seen a few on here that are blue from what I can tell. Given that my D-out is black instead of green I am assuming it is just a mistake.

I also don't know why you would want to mix the clock-out with any of the gate outs of the sequencer this would be redundant. seriously, i just don't get it
Blue Meanie
Bert just wrote; "Hello

In the prototype the clock out was a normal output. I changed that
but i forgot to change the colour of the of the production models.
A sum output can used as a normal output without buffer except in the
case that the input has an internal switch function.
Fi the vca input of the output-module has a switch function. For these
type of input you must use a buffer.
The clock out should be able to trigger the EGR.
The clock of the sequencer is a LFO and the clock out is the output of
this LFO. The dutycycle is 50%. The gate out is high during the time
the sequencer is at that step.

If you have any question left please mail me."

Not sure if anyone knew this. Bert is also sending a green socket for the D-Out.
Electronic Battle
Hello all

Here's a few comments:

Quote:
... the difference in the filter outputs would be more noticeable when sweeping ...

I've tried it - not to my ears yet. I shall experiment further, thanks for the pointer. Let me say that this isn't a basic instrument ... ! That's my excuse for finding myself being a beginner, in spite of having my first synthesiser (MS-10) in 1982 (still got it).

Quote:
I'm curious about how you found out buffer 2 is working ...


Bert gave me a foolproof way, which was (my comment in italic):

Quote:
Re problem Buffer 2, please do the test below,

Connect Clk out to buffer 2 in1; Led must blink in tempo clock

It does! ... blink/blink/blink/blink/

Connect Out/4 to select; Led must blink in tempo clock & pause
(alternating)

It does! ... blink/blink/miss/miss/blink/blink/miss/miss/

Connect out triplet to buffer 2 in2; Led must blink in tempo clock
and Led must blink in tempo triplet. (alternating)

It does! ...long/long/short/short/short/short/short/short/long/long/ ...



And finally : my FII 8-step sequencer's clock output is a blue socket.
jenamu6
OK It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo It's motherfucking bacon yo

I found it ......thanks to Falafelbiels for shedding another light on it and a fresh way of thinking.

Buffer 2 works correct......as a switch too.......but it's a gate switch, you can't switch cv with it.

This morning I found out how to get 32 steps.....:

take step 1 form row 3(yellow) ---> divider 2 (this is a flipflop)
Take out from divider 2 ----->mute sequence 1
Take inv out from divider 2----->mute sequence 2

Take cv seq 1 and cv seq 2 into attu 2.....this functions as a mixer ----> this out put to quantizer------> cv VCO

Now you have 32 steps of CV.

To have 32 steps of gate also do this:
Take gate 1 out------> inp1 buffer2
Take gate 2out------> inp2 buffer2
divider 2(flipflop) out ------> Select buffer 2
Buffer 2 out ----->gate ADSR


The sequencer can do many things but you have to patch program it first.....otherwise it's just 3 simple rows.

Thanks Niels for the fresh view.
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falafelbiels
There you go! w00t
jenamu6
Happy happy......it's a weird sequencer.......it can do many many things....but you'll have to program it first.
kultbox
jenamu6 wrote:

This morning I found out how to get 32 steps.....:

take step 1 form row 3(yellow) ---> divider 2 (this is a flipflop)
Take out from divider 2 ----->mute sequence 1
Take inv out from divider 2----->mute sequence 2

Take cv seq 1 and cv seq 2 into attu 2.....this functions as a mixer ----> this out put to quantizer------> cv VCO

Now you have 32 steps of CV.



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Nice - don't forget to also take step 1 form row 2(yellow) ---> divider 2 (i guess its OK to stack the inputs from the gates into the divider on this thing? hmmm..... )

This thing is just too fun. Instant classic that will make your mind explode working out the patching puzzle + possibilities!
Morley
I am really eager to get mine...waiting is not my greatest attribute..
Electronic Battle
Morley wrote:
I am really eager to get mine...waiting is not my greatest attribute..


Ahh, but ... the fun of having it lasts a lot longer than most things ... I'm still struggling to grasp all of mine and it'll take ages before I have explored some of the simple bits and pieces. One or two quirks mean that things don't work quite the way I thought they would (no problem though) which keeps me on my toes! Can't think of specific examples really - oh yes, aspects of the yellow gates from the FIII is one.
skkatter
My Fenix video made it on to Bert's site (the Vimeo link): http://dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL.html

(this is a blatant brag)
jenamu6
OK.....maybe a super stupid question.....but is there a way to make the sequencer play certain notes longer than others, while staying in time?
falafelbiels
jenamu6 wrote:
OK.....maybe a super stupid question.....but is there a way to make the sequencer play certain notes longer than others, while staying in time?


I'll drop by again soon hihi
Electronic Battle
Quote:
I'll drop by again soon hihi


It'd be even nicer if I could persuade you to write something here - a hint or two perhaps ... ?
jenamu6
So.....nobody has a clue?
Morley
Not having mine yet I can't really tell you for the Fenix III although there are various ways to achieve what you want, all of which I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you if I did Dead Banana

Seriously, it must be possible on the F III. I'll look at the front panel and when time allows think how I would do it.
jenamu6
Please do so David.......Oh about the killing thing, if your still in Belgium, you scared me, that's very nearby.
Electronic Battle
I don't know either. But if you lengthen some gates and then "AND" them with the clock or each step gate, presumably each time the clock "ticks" then the next step occurs, cutting off the lengthened step that just happened.

I'm up to my neck in things at the moment but, as soon as I find some time, I will switch on the FIII and try it. Maybe this weekend.

Of course, if falafelbiels felt like typing up a note rather than dropping round to show you, Jenamu6, that'd be great!
jenamu6
That Falafelbiels guy is just boasting like a bad rapper. SlayerBadger!
skkatter
jenamu6 wrote:
OK.....maybe a super stupid question.....but is there a way to make the sequencer play certain notes longer than others, while staying in time?

Patch one of the Fenix III CV sequencer rows to the decay or sustain of one of the Fenix II envelopes.
Reese P. Dubin
Anyone know what group # is in current production?
Electronic Battle
It's changed! "The production is now running for group 7-8" according to http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL.html
Morley
I have been told I'll get mine early in January and I'm in group 8.

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falafelbiels
jenamu6 wrote:
That Falafelbiels guy is just boasting like a bad rapper. SlayerBadger!


I was, I don't have a clue. Maybe I can borrow your Fenix and figure it out in the comfort of my own home? I'd write about it...
thetwlo
so great! loving it! A great performance synth, nice to have the cables out of the way of the controls, like the Aries and Wiard 300, makes it a bit less intuitive but a greater advantage for performance. The III is the best seq I've ever seen!

xart
Today I had a use for the audio input module and decided to test it out.... thumbs up
After an hour trying to figure it out ......I think my module may be wired wrong. . . (or maybe I need to go back to modular school..) seriously, i just don't get it

When I input a synth/radio/ipod etc into the 1/4 input I get no audio (accept some what seems to be DC) out of the green audio output.
Shouldn't the GREEN "A" output mirror the 1/4 Input?

After playing around and doing some tests.....the BLUE GATE OUTPUT perfectly mirrors the 1/4 input.....could the GATE OUTPUT and GREEN AUDIO OUTPUT be wired wrong? - or is this user error on my end? hmmm.....
thetwlo
xart wrote:
.....could the GATE OUTPUT and GREEN AUDIO OUTPUT be wired wrong?


weird. possibly-- just did a quick test, and the green A-Out is the same audio as the input, and none of the blue jacks are passing that signal. Seems to function as expected on mine.
Malekko
xart wrote:
Today I had a use for the audio input module and decided to test it out.... thumbs up
After an hour trying to figure it out ......I think my module may be wired wrong. . . (or maybe I need to go back to modular school..) seriously, i just don't get it

When I input a synth/radio/ipod etc into the 1/4 input I get no audio (accept some what seems to be DC) out of the green audio output.
Shouldn't the GREEN "A" output mirror the 1/4 Input?

After playing around and doing some tests.....the BLUE GATE OUTPUT perfectly mirrors the 1/4 input.....could the GATE OUTPUT and GREEN AUDIO OUTPUT be wired wrong? - or is this user error on my end? hmmm.....


Just send it to me Robert, i'll give it a good home.
xart
Malekko wrote:


Just send it to me Robert, i'll give it a good home.


lol

Its going to take a lot more than this...

My assumptions are correct. . . .

I talked to Bert and it looks like my wires may be switched - I don't need to go back to modular school . . . thumbs up

Bert sent me over a service manual on how to take the unit apart for service. - If you are having an issue with your fenix - contact him and he will get you the manual. The FENIX team is wonderful and is very responsive to questions and concerns! thumbs up
aristotle
that is one nice synth.
m0rb1d
is one of these systems still obtainable from bert?
Morley
Drop him a mail.
Somehow I think you would have to be lucky, but who knows!
Morley
Got my bill nanners
a few weeks and mine will be here..
Fidgit
Morley wrote:
Got my bill nanners
a few weeks and mine will be here..


congrats! thumbs up
so what group is now in the making?
Morley
Mine are group 8 and then it says B1 on the II and III (batch 1/build 1?)
Fidgit
ok, tnx, interesting
hellohihowareyou
Looks like production time is running at approximately 5 weeks per group which means I will get mine... in July/August waah

Anyone want to swap places in line or sell me theirs while he's building mine? I'll make it worth your while.
jenamu6
hellohihowareyou wrote:
Looks like production time is running at approximately 5 weeks per group which means I will get mine... in July/August waah

Anyone want to swap places in line or sell me theirs while he's building mine? I'll make it worth your while.


Easy for me to say......but just wait it out, it'll be worth it.

If I can make the wait easier on you......send me some patches, I'll patch them for you and make a video. lol
Morley
Bert just said mine is ready next week...it's burning in... Dead Banana

One thing (and I'm not sure of this, it's just a thought) is that as many of the first batches included sequencers, the later batches may go quicker (if he is only building synths)
Hang in there.
doepferiano
latest batches have faster clocks...
It's peanut butter jelly time!
Morley
doepferiano wrote:
latest batches have faster clocks...
It's peanut butter jelly time!

And everything is a bit higher in pitch..
The earlier ones have a lower more "vintage" sound and are easier to use because they are slower.

Dead Banana
jenamu6
fuck you......faster clocks.

Mine is more vintage.
doepferiano
last batch in july 2016 will quantize in fifteenth as premium $1 more feature
Mr. Green
mono-poly
jenamu6 wrote:
fuck you......faster clocks.

Mine is more vintage.


Not true at all.
Morley
Sarcasm... oops
hellohihowareyou
Jenamu6: I've certainly drooled over the front panel schematics enough that I might just take you up on your offer. thumbs up

I have a sequencer coming with mine too which is in batch 14. Any idea how many sequencers he is making? He told me 12 a while back, but almost every picture I see on MW shows one of each. Then again, it doesn't get much more diehard than this crowd...
arat
Hi all.

I have a question about FENIX's sound.

I have an impression from belw video,
FENIX1 sounds little bit harder(overdrive?) than other normal synth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6EBMSAF52o&feature=related

Is this sound FENIX1 and 2 normal sound?
jenamu6
hellohihowareyou
Challenge me hihi thumbs up

arat
It can sound smooth or harsh.....what you want applause
arat
Thanks jenamu6

I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear.

I want to buy FENIX (if I found it).
So I'd like to make a comparison between FENIX1 and 2.
About basic sound(VCO,Filter..), FENIX2 is similar to FENIX1?
Morley
Here is something from their website

-Are the Modules the same as in the Fenix 1 ?

Only the VCA's, mixers and the ringmodulator are the same. Some modules like the VCO and VCF's has minor changes other has bigger changes and some modules are new (compare to fenix1).
Reese P. Dubin
I will have to wait until getting the new guy before I can decide to sell the original I guess.............................
arat
Morley:

Thanks for the infomation.
I'll review the website again.

Reese P. Dubin:

I wait for you to sell the original. love
thetwlo
loving it, but noticed it doesn't seem the Pulse/PWM goes to 0 or 100% (silent) on any of the VCOs which is one of my favorite sounds, as a source modulating the Pulse Width gradually breaking in/out of audible territory is great, especially with a few VCOs. Does the Fenix II not have full range for Pulse via the pot?

I also wish the VCOs had a low/high switch, so they could function as LFOs especially since there's no LFO with PWM included.
Morley
thetwlo wrote:


I also wish the VCOs had a low/high switch, so they could function as LFOs especially since there's no LFO with PWM included.


Waiting on mine so can't tell but can't you send a VCO -5v to slow it down to LFO speeds?
jenamu6
Yes you can
thetwlo
jenamu6 wrote:
Yes you can


daanke! true, not ideal, that should also work for getting the PWM to hit 0% or +5 for 100%

Was wondering if others are the same, does anyone's PWM go full range? 0-100% with the knob? Could just be the way trimpots are tuned--possibly tweakable.
Morley
UPS out for delivery
It's motherfucking bacon yo nanners It's peanut butter jelly time! w00t
jenamu6
applause applause
Morley
A quick 20 minute test. Damn..it's a mighty fine synth at the top end of the scale.. The variety of filters and VCO's is great and the sound is top notch. Honestly, the wait is more than worth it.
Will be doing some demoing later.
Sequencer I haven't checked yet..
Morley
I am loving this too much...
skkatter
Glad to see you've got it in the correct "sequencer to the left" configuration.
MechaSeb
Congratulations ! What a great pictures...

SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!
Morley
Just uploading something to sound cloud. 30 minutes I've had to play with it so just checking a few thing sour
[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenix2[/s]
jenamu6
Best money I ever spend on a synth......love it
vassili
skkatter wrote:
Glad to see you've got it in the correct "sequencer to the left" configuration.



the good place for the Fenix III is where you feel it right!
hellohihowareyou
Good stuff, Morley. Keep it coming, please!

You too, jenamu6! You've been slacking off lately... How about the FIII controlling some serge?
Time Machines
I just sent the final payment for a Fenix II. It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners It's peanut butter jelly time!

(I'm in group 10.)
Morley
Time Machines wrote:
I just sent the final payment for a Fenix II. It's peanut butter jelly time! nanners It's peanut butter jelly time!

(I'm in group 10.)


It's a treat. It's also a bargain!
Like jenamu6 said, it's hard to beat as a best buy. My best buy was a Buchla 200 in the nineties but apart from that, I'd agree with him.
It has over 35 modules or so, so each module is way less than €100 (not counting power supply, patch bays and casing, which is probably 500 euros on top!) and almost all the modules are different. All this would be irrelevant if it didn't sound good but it sounds seriously good. Like the Fenix I, IMHO it has a funky edge to it. Very cool, but it can go anywhere and is a joy to use. It's certainly my desert island synth now.
jenamu6
If I had known before.....I would have ordered 2 Fenixes(Feni?)
For this amount of money, you are getting a ridiculous amount of modules, that like David said, sound brilliant.
There's loads of features hidden inside it and the knobs seperated from the jacks is great move.

I will post some video again soon (having some pavlov withdrawal problems at the moment)
Serge is nomore in my studio,but I had some great results with the Bugbrand and the Fenix sequencer.
thetwlo
still amazed!!
BEDANKKKKKT!
Morley
another sequence. Testing the panning and output module along with the bandpass filters.
[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenix-ii-breakfast-sequence[/s]
Morley
and another
testing the delay
[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenix-2-delay[/s]
MechaSeb
The last one is just perfect ! Really diggin' ! Btw what's the maximum length of the delay ?
Morley
MechaSeb wrote:
The last one is just perfect ! Really diggin' ! Btw what's the maximum length of the delay ?


Very short! My example is with voltage control so it i lengthened. It's more for modulation fx rather than echo stuff although as you can hear, it is a cool echo effect.

This is what doepfer say about the 2048 chip

The main difference between the two types of BBDs is the delay time range. The maximum clock frequency mentioned in the data sheet of the 2048 stage BBD is 100kHz. This leads to a minimum delay time of about 10ms. But we found that the device is able to operate even a bit beyond this spec (up to ~ 150kHz) causing a minimum delay time of about 7ms. The maximum clock frequency mentioned in the data sheet of the 1024 stage BBD is 200kHz. This leads to a minimum delay time of about 2,5ms. Overclocking is not possible for the 1024 stage BBD.

The maximum (useful) delay time is hard to define. The output becomes more and more crunchy as the clock frequency goes down because the number of samples per second taken from the original signal decreases as the clock frequency is reduced. But this is only one aspect. Indeed several effects occur simultaneously:

kind of bit crunching because of the increasing time between samples taken from the audio signal
aliasing effect as the sample rate becomes less than twice the max. audio frequency
BBD losses: the BBDs are not specified for clock frequencies less than 10 kHz (this value is valid for both 1024 and 2048 stage BBDs). The BBDs can be treated like a chain of sample&hold units with very small capacitors (the capacitors are integrated on the BBD chip). Clock frequencies below 10kHz cause voltage losses as the holding times of the S&Hs are no longer sufficient to pass on the voltages to the succeeding stage without errors/losses.
Reese P. Dubin
Checks going out for group 10??

Grouper 12'er starting get the shakes...
skkatter
So I've heard loads of cool weird stuff with the Fenix II, but it can also sounds that fit into more of a classic techno / electro realm. Here's a thing I'm working on that features the Fenix doing minor chords in a techno setting: http://soundcloud.com/splitradix/sixteen-by-two/s-hBT28

Will probably take the link down whenever I finish the track.
Time Machines
Reese P. Dubin wrote:
Checks going out for group 10??

Yes. hyper And my synth probably goes out in the mail next week. screaming goo yo

I have been lusting after a Fenix ever since Coil were using them a lot some ten years ago. I can hardly believe I have been given the chance now to buy a FenixII. we're not worthy
Reese P. Dubin
Time Machines wrote:
Reese P. Dubin wrote:
Checks going out for group 10??

Yes. hyper And my synth probably goes out in the mail next week. screaming goo yo

I have been lusting after a Fenix ever since Coil were using them a lot some ten years ago. I can hardly believe I have been given the chance now to buy a FenixII. we're not worthy


Hahaha I got my original Fenix about a week or so after talking to Sleazy at mutek. I think there is no superior stand alone synth, until I get 2 I bet.

oh yeah
hellohihowareyou
Thanks for the demo's guys. Really enjoying them. Please keep'em coming!

Group 10 already, huh? Bert and co. must have hit the hyperdrive.
Time Machines
Reese P. Dubin wrote:

Hahaha I got my original Fenix about a week or so after talking to Sleazy at mutek.

Bert should pay Jhon and Peter a percentage for the increase of sales, wherever they are (or simply build Thighpaulsandra a Fenix II for free). hihi
Reese P. Dubin
I think Aphex ownership and having the comparator on the label of one Analord single helps too. Besides the obvious advantages of its downright awesomeness.
MechaSeb
Morley wrote:
Very short! My example is with voltage control so it i lengthened. It's more for modulation fx rather than echo stuff although as you can hear, it is a cool echo effect.

This is what doepfer say about the 2048 chip [...]


Glad to hear it's based on the same chip's family than the Serge Wilson Analog Delay (which is btw based on a Reticon 1024). Honestly i found some similarities in sound behavior on your last delay demo. This is why i asked. Definitely this synth is really full of wonderful resources ! love
Morley
Rather than filling this tread with individual posts, I have started a fenix demo thread here
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=693590

I posted it in the Buchla, EMS & Serge section as that is where it should be I think! I mean, bananas etc..and like serge it is a "shop" panel
If I'm wrong, tell me!
hellohihowareyou
Personally, I prefer having everything on this thread since there are very few Fenix users. I don't think any of the posts have ever been out of place. Guinness ftw!
vassili
Morley wrote:
Rather than filling this tread with individual posts, I have started a fenix demo thread here
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=693590

I posted it in the Buchla, EMS & Serge section as that is where it should be I think! I mean, bananas etc..and like serge it is a "shop" panel
If I'm wrong, tell me!


thumbs up
skkatter
hellohihowareyou wrote:
Personally, I prefer having everything on this thread since there are very few Fenix users. I don't think any of the posts have ever been out of place. :guinness:

I suggested ages ago moving Fenix talk to the EMS / Bananas / Buchla section as it fits in more, so as one of the very few Fenix owners I'm agreeing with David here. ;)
hellohihowareyou
Anyone willing to open it up and take some pictures of the inside for me? Interested in how the boards are arranged/attached to the front panel.
Reese P. Dubin
100 to 1 that it is long horizontal PCBs with board mounted pots. wire bundles falling off the back down to the jacks. I bet they have some sort of mechanical structure between boards this time as well. Power supply is probably mounted to the bottom of the box. That based on many hours looking around the inside of an old one.

The new model has about 2x the number of everything so I imagine its much more considered architecturally now. And thats great!

Getting damn anxious now.
xart




thumbs up


Electronic Battle
Nice - a fair amount of space for adding modifications ... not sure what those would be though! Maybe utilise the "spare" front bananas (black ones which feed rear 3.5mm sockets) for additional quantising or an ASR.
thetwlo
Electronic Battle wrote:
Nice - a fair amount of space for adding modifications ... not sure what those would be though! ....


hmmmm... a spring reverb tank might fit in there.
jenamu6
True work of art. thumbs up

Modding it is almost blasphemy
@xart
Are these pictures from Bert?....I've been at his house to pick my set up.......that table near the window looks familiar. applause
vassili
Quote:
Modding it is almost blasphemy






why try to change the most accomplished synthesizer! Nutter!
jenamu6
vassili wrote:
Quote:
Modding it is almost blasphemy




why try to change the most accomplished synthesizer! Nutter!


That's what I meant.
doepferiano
jenamu6 wrote:
vassili wrote:
Quote:
Modding it is almost blasphemy




why try to change the most accomplished synthesizer! Nutter!


That's what I meant.


yep, but a spring reverb! (with an hidden switch under the synth!)


at
xart
jenamu6 wrote:
....that table near the window looks familiar. applause



whistlin'

Did the hands give it away? hihi

Every wiggler knows that my hands are much smoother and softer . . .

(not that it is wrong for two grown men to be alone in a houseboat in amsterdam twiddling knobs and making squealing noises! ) thumbs up
jenamu6
I've seen no houseboat.....just a house smile
ndkent
re houseboat, you have Bert and Marc confused
xart
ndkent wrote:
re houseboat, you have Bert and Marc confused



oops
Morley
phaser, VCF4 (lpg?) duplets and triplets

[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenixphaseseq[/s][/s]
Reese P. Dubin
Is the front panel as thick as it looks or is the edge rolled back?
thetwlo
an attempt via bandcamp:
[bcalbum]3779319743[/bcalbum]
thetwlo
why use soundclown?
confusional
thetwlo wrote:
why use soundclown?


Because it's awesome and we love it! thumbs up
jenamu6
thetwlo wrote:
an attempt via bandcamp:
[bcalbum]3779319743[/bcalbum]


Fuck yeah! thumbs up
Morley
Indeed! Pretty wild applause
thetwlo
confusional wrote:
thetwlo wrote:
why use soundclown?


Because it's awesome and we love it! thumbs up


just kidding, they are different. I've just had, and have heard of too many issues. Plus the fees they charge.
MindMachine
Morley wrote:
phaser, VCF4 (lpg?) duplets and triplets

[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenixphaseseq[/s][/s]


Very tight David!!!! That little diddy says a lot! w00t

Congrats on the new beast. It deserves two of these Boat Boat

p.s. your 2500 and Buchla videos filled me w/ lust. Please do not too many Fenix demos. dizzy
Morley
Reese P. Dubin wrote:
Is the front panel as thick as it looks or is the edge rolled back?

Rolled back.
Solid synth btw. Feels built to last.
cat6batch
eek! The website says all units are sold...

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL_Specs.html

I didn't miss out on getting in line did I?
hellohihowareyou
cat6batch wrote:
eek! The website says all units are sold...

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL_Specs.html

I didn't miss out on getting in line did I?


They have a very long waiting list in case someone drops out, but yes, you missed the line by about 1.5 years. :(
cat6batch
I mean, if I pre-pay can I get one?
doepferiano
cat6batch wrote:
I mean, if I pre-pay can I get one?


don't know for the Fenix II and III but probably you'll enter in list for the FENIX IV thumbs up
Fidgit
cat6batch wrote:
I mean, if I pre-pay can I get one?


how about asking the one who can actually tell?! seriously, i just don't get it

bl.vermeulen - at - mail.com
xart
Like everything - they will start to pop up on the used market soon! thumbs up

Does anyone know if they have made any revisions to the current production units - like they did with the original fenix once they received user feedback? I am curious if they are going to change/update the FILTER 2 (all of the poles sound basically the same) and the LPG design kinda blows (but this could be my programming skillz) Dead Banana ...


Those fenix guys could use some constructive criticism in this thread. hihi
mono-poly
Honestly i hope Bert doesn't change stuff like he did in the first one.
Try to find love for the stuff you don't like they sure are good for certain stuff.
The LPG isn't your regular lpg because it doesn't use a vactrol.
Which means it should work much better with FM (vactrol lpg's suck at FM)
Reese P. Dubin
Have not even plugged it in yet. However

HOLY SHIT
Reese P. Dubin
plugged in

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Blue Meanie
Reese P. Dubin wrote:
plugged in

HOLY FUCKING SHIT


I know right?!?!?!
thetwlo
a small expansion box with 6(or even 3) of the same VCO's plus some additional ADs(4?) would be icing.
+Would be extra great if all oscillators had adjustable sync. So much fun!
The LPG is odd, and a couple other things but the quirks make it great also and unique.
The Wavemult may also be disappointing at first, I wonder if it has anything-functionally or technically in common with the plan b wave splicer, as that's the only thing that seems vaguely similar(that i know of). Spend time with it, it's amazing!
Congrats Reese! did you get the III (seq) also?

There is soooo much in this little box!!! I say best synth of it's kind ever, but not really sure what it compares to. It's not modular as in you can move modules, but so much more patchable than an ms-20/eml.

Fixed modular? configured modular?
We don't care.. FENIX!!!!
thetwlo
I wonder, if some Pressure Points + the III might resemble a TKB and beyond?
Reese P. Dubin
Could not afford the sequencer unfortunately.

I have been stuck just blasting these amazing VCOs thru a huge loud amp.
Havent even gotten into anything complex yet. Going to concentrate on this things innate abilities before I hook it up to any of my DIY rig or even its little mk1 brother.

I cant exactly compare it to anything exactly either. everything else I have played doesnt measure up so far. Gonna get the Roland Strings into that triple BP today...aw yeah.
mono-poly
thetwlo forget vacrtrol lpg's. See it more as a Sallen-Key (MS) kinda vcf.
Try some audiorate modulation with it and gate it.
thetwlo
mono-poly wrote:
thetwlo forget vacrtrol lpg's. See it more as a Sallen-Key (MS) kinda vcf.
Try some audiorate modulation with it and gate it.


++some feedback!! NICE.
thanks!
thetwlo
Fenix II+III + best synth ever! and i'm picking it over the 200e. but it's an OPINION, both are great. they are quite different as the 200e is kinda modular the Fenix just patchable. The Fenix is a traditional sounding synth while the 200e sounds more modern, with similar flexibility. I gotta say, I love the stackable cables! I wish the 200e were all banana.
The Fenix (and 200e) are both great because they reflect the intent of their creator. I think that's lost(for better or worse) with many module manufacturers. Overall I choose both Fenix +200e.
exwel
Still waiting i am in group 18
wavecircle
I got an email from Bert today, group 12 starts this month. nanners

Bye bye Euro, some nice stuff for sale soon.
hellohihowareyou
For all of you who have been reading my drooling, excited posts in this thread, as well as putting up with my constant pressuring to try to get demos out of you all, I'm pleased to say that my F2+F3 will be mailed next week.
Now the question is, will I have the discipline to make some demos?
After all the shit I've talked, I better.
jenamu6
You better yes.
folkroom
I am a bit confused about how the wave multiplier works...
I didnt understand so well from the user manual..
how do you use it in your patches? maybe someone could post some examples?
thanks
Reese P. Dubin
Have used the wave multiplier a bunch and still dont ExACTLY get it yet.
ndkent
it doesnt actually multiply in most scenarios. Basically you clock it with a wave and it replaces that wave with the a,b,c,d pot settings. The complexity is multiplied ;-) when a wave signal goes into the a/c and b/d inputs. Then further time and sync options are available after step D before it repeats.
jenamu6
I have mine for almost a year......but that multiplier????
xart
Interesting . . . I was messing with the multiplier this past weekend giving it one last before I pass on the FENIX . . . and kept thinking it was me. . .
Good to know thumbs up
doepferiano
there is one for sale on *bay...
jenamu6
doepferiano wrote:
there is one for sale on *bay...


My guess is that xart knows that smile
qu.one
I think I might sell a shit ton of euro for the one on eBay. Or maybe someone here wants to get rid of theirs for a full system.
faneflip
I've received mine this week!

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm2/faneflip/studio.png

this is my first patch and then I realised that the system works on volt/octave instead of HZ/volt

http://www.twitvid.com/7H6O5[/video

great synths but I'm not really into the filters (maybe because I love the ems and arp filter) allthough once you stack them it gives you amazing sounds.
m0rb1d
what a glorious setup!
thetwlo
Was messing around with the WaveMult, so this is simple, NO FILTERS.
This is the sound of ONLY LFO-5 with one phase into the delay and one into the phaser of the FII.
Modulation is from the WaveMult-- I think I mostly had a VCO and Noise going into it. (simple test no envelopes, or vcas)
[s]http://soundcloud.com/thetwlo/fenix-ii-lfo-5[/s]
MechaSeb
lovely textures ! thumbs up
Time Machines
jenamu6 wrote:
I have mine for almost a year......but that multiplier????

Bert explained to me that it is actually a simplified version of a more elaborate design, which was meant to do vocal formants. But he found it too complicated to handle so he stripped it down to what it is now.
Morley
I haven't used my Fenix that much due to other commitments but I have used the WM a bit like the ARP 2500 mix sequencer. Opening and closing steps for audio or modulation sources each with +- level control..
thetwlo
The Fenix II outs seem to be balanced, TRS jacks. Yes? I couldn't find any info in the manual, but was getting garbled noise and the jack kinda felt like a TRS, so I tried a TRS cable, and the odd noise went away. Was driving me nuts! I think this solves it--may not make a difference in your set-up but it went from dirty to clean here.
Hope that helps someone!
Morley
faneflip wrote:
I've received mine this week!

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm2/faneflip/studio.png

this is my first patch and then I realised that the system works on volt/octave instead of HZ/volt

http://www.twitvid.com/7H6O5[/video

great synths but I'm not really into the filters (maybe because I love the ems and arp filter) allthough once you stack them it gives you amazing sounds.


Don't forget that level is important when using the filters. Many synths drive them somewhat, whereas on a modular you have more control over that
I love Arp and vcs3 filters and the Fenix is as good in it's own way. Give it time.
Blue Meanie
thetwlo wrote:
The Fenix II outs seem to be balanced, TRS jacks. Yes?


The output jacks are indeed TRS, but they are wired as TS. The ring is floating.
xart
thetwlo wrote:
The Fenix II outs seem to be balanced, TRS jacks. Yes? I couldn't find any info in the manual, but was getting garbled noise and the jack kinda felt like a TRS, so I tried a TRS cable, and the odd noise went away. Was driving me nuts! I think this solves it--may not make a difference in your set-up but it went from dirty to clean here.
Hope that helps someone!


You may also want to open your Fenix up and make sure all of the "connections" are tight. All of the PSB's are wired with a pin/terminal connectors and they clip on but they are not as "secure" as euro or other modulars we are use to. I had static in what seemed like a dirty pot / loose connection in one of my outputs - and sure enough a connection was loose (obvious when I opened it up). thumbs up
ndkent
Time Machines wrote:
jenamu6 wrote:
I have mine for almost a year......but that multiplier????

Bert explained to me that it is actually a simplified version of a more elaborate design, which was meant to do vocal formants. But he found it too complicated to handle so he stripped it down to what it is now.


Doesnt quite make sense since I can't think of a way that would put out a formants. now the filter with the several bandpass outs, that surely is the beginning of a vocal filter though it lacks some features, mainly built in resonance controls to be as full featured a formant filter as it could possibly be. Not that I'm complaining too much , it's still a good bit of filter
MN3005
xart wrote:

You may also want to open your Fenix up and make sure all of the "connections" are tight. All of the PSB's are wired with a pin/terminal connectors and they clip on but they are not as "secure" as euro or other modulars we are use to. I had static in what seemed like a dirty pot / loose connection in one of my outputs - and sure enough a connection was loose (obvious when I opened it up). thumbs up


I noticed you've complained a few times about the QC of your FENIX, did you fix the incorrect wiring, and dirty pots etc before listing it? Hopefully the new owner isn't in for a surprise!
Morley
mucking around on the WaveMultiplier

Try this patch.

Take VCO 3
Send saw to in a/c
Send Tri to in b/d
send Sin to clock

and listen to the output of the WM. Fiddle with the knobs on the WM! try clk div up
Add an LFO (3 set to sawtooth for ex.) to CVt with tracking up
try Cvt with a VCO tuned to the original VCO.

It's an incredible machine. Like anything good, you need to get your head around the concept a bit and things SLOWLY fall into place. The again, these are things not much else can do. All the usual stuff is dead easy.
With flexibility you get complexity
QC? Top notch here.
xart
Dr. Synth Nerd wrote:

I noticed you've complained a few times about the QC of your FENIX, did you fix the incorrect wiring, and dirty pots etc before listing it? Hopefully the new owner isn't in for a surprise!


Thanks for keeping me honest, douche.


I think the new owner (on this forum) is VERY happy.
MN3005
xart wrote:
Dr. Synth Nerd wrote:

I noticed you've complained a few times about the QC of your FENIX, did you fix the incorrect wiring, and dirty pots etc before listing it? Hopefully the new owner isn't in for a surprise!


Thanks for keeping me honest, douche.


I think the new owner (on this forum) is VERY happy.


WHOA, little defensive? No need for name calling, i just asked a simple question, which you didn't answer BTW, but it's none of my business, just curious.
xart
Dr. Synth Nerd wrote:

WHOA, little defensive?.



Yes, very.

I want to make it perfectly clear that I do not sell junk to members of this community.
MN3005
xart wrote:
Dr. Synth Nerd wrote:

WHOA, little defensive?.



Yes, very.

I want to make it perfectly clear that I do not sell junk to members of this community.

Okay, then a simple "yes, i fixed them, or got them fixed" would have been just fine instead of calling someone a douche for asking. By being so defensive it suggests (at least to me) that you sold it un-repaired. But i'm glad you didn't, because that would be really douche-y thumbs up
Morley
Back to sounds
Somewhat classic now. Not exciting really..bread and butter..
3 VCO, Formant filter, decay only envelope, sequencer and lfo.
I love the lo pass part of the formant filter. Fabulous filter.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenix-td[/s]



Strange cross mod patch with delay and a sequence with a single VCO and LPF

[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenix-space-pong[/s]

And another patch

synced VCO's and VCF1 in BandPass mode. 1 lfo modulating another then modulating the filter and VCO pitches.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenix-sync[/s]
exwel
Morley wrote:
Back to sounds
Somewhat classic now. Not exciting really..bread and butter..
3 VCO, Formant filter, decay only envelope, sequencer and lfo.
I love the lo pass part of the formant filter. Fabulous filter.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenix-td[/s]



Strange cross mod patch with delay and a sequence with a single VCO and LPF

[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenix-space-pong[/s]

And another patch

synced VCO's and VCF1 in BandPass mode. 1 lfo modulating another then modulating the filter and VCO pitches.

[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenix-sync[/s]


great sounds thanx
love the second audio clip!!
sounds musical.
More sounds are always welcome thumbs up
still waitng for the fenix:(


i forget what the function CPR is on the fenix?

ps
Wow spoke to Bert and i have my fenix maybe next month It's motherfucking bacon yo
Reese P. Dubin
CPR is a simple comparator, which now has a threshold voltage manual offset (!)
thetwlo
thanks, all and xart I gotta open it up, thought it was a cable issue, but now think it's more a my set up issue. As i go into a DI to a mic input.
For whatever reason the trs cables solve it.
Of course it may be something loose inside.
this is the best synth, and the best SEQUENCER ever!!!
Morley, those examples are great, this thing can do it all.
thanks for sharing0
Morley
Mainframe!

[s]http://soundcloud.com/davidmorley/fenix-mainframe[/s]
Reese P. Dubin
Keep trying to quarantine this and concentrate on it solo. However that never works and it is getting wired up to everything else nearly always.

What about everyone else?
vozs
Is there a Fenix II manual somewhere?
sonofdirt
Hey guys looks like my number is up, Bert said my Fenix II is almost ready! When I got on the wait list 3? years ago I remember thinking 'you don't need to buy the Fenix III sequencer save your money' but shiiiiiit who was I kidding. So for those of you without a Fenix III what do you like for a sequencer? I currently use an encore expressionist for midi->cv but I'd like something more hands-on & inspiring.

Anybody sequence their modular w/ a machinedrum + cv converter? That's my plan so far.. This is fun!
Or silent way MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Reese P. Dubin
Well, start with the one that is built right in!

I also use a Klee, the M185, Binary Zone, MFOS.

I really regret not getting the sequencer now too. I would be broke as a joke but so what?

FINALLY discovered something I HATE about the FII

The LEDS are too damn bright, I have to sit off axis from them for comfort.

FUCK ultra brite LEDS for real! I might sand them down
exwel
sonofdirt wrote:
Hey guys looks like my number is up, Bert said my Fenix II is almost ready! When I got on the wait list 3? years ago I remember thinking 'you don't need to buy the Fenix III sequencer save your money' but shiiiiiit who was I kidding. So for those of you without a Fenix III what do you like for a sequencer? I currently use an encore expressionist for midi->cv but I'd like something more hands-on & inspiring.

Anybody sequence their modular w/ a machinedrum + cv converter? That's my plan so far.. This is fun!
Or silent way MY ASS IS BLEEDING


In what group your in?
also regreting to not get the sequencer:(
thetwlo
those not paying in Euro's, this is a great site:
https://www.currencyfair.com/ only about a half cent more,than xe.coms POSTED rates., your bank is 3-4 cents more. Sooo much better than Chase. The seq is even better than the II.
I think i'm in group 11. Paying now.
thetwlo
sonofdirt wrote:
Hey guys looks like my number is up, Bert said my Fenix II is almost ready! When I got on the wait list 3? years ago I remember thinking 'you don't need to buy the Fenix III sequencer

I don't know the III is about the greatest, i guess it lacks CV control of direction.
thetwlo
electronicmusician wrote:
http://prussianphoenix.bandcamp.com/album/light-sabre-rattling

w00t


very nice, how much is Fenix II? I think that's what i love about the Fenix, is that it's modular, but sounds more like the classic synths, of course it can get crazy thick and noisey as well. I think it's a timeless machine. (hope that was cheesy enough)
Morley
thetwlo wrote:
sonofdirt wrote:
Hey guys looks like my number is up, Bert said my Fenix II is almost ready! When I got on the wait list 3? years ago I remember thinking 'you don't need to buy the Fenix III sequencer

I don't know the III is about the greatest, i guess it lacks CV control of direction.

Perfect? No. The best around right now, a big YES from me. Incredible sequencer with a mind bending feature set.
thetwlo
Morley wrote:
thetwlo wrote:
sonofdirt wrote:
Hey guys looks like my number is up, Bert said my Fenix II is almost ready! When I got on the wait list 3? years ago I remember thinking 'you don't need to buy the Fenix III sequencer

I don't know the III is about the greatest, i guess it lacks CV control of direction.

Perfect? No. The best around right now, a big YES from me. Incredible sequencer with a mind bending feature set.

heh, it took awhile to come up with a negative.
meh, pretty great without that.
easily the best seq. around or ever.
Morley
thetwlo wrote:
Morley wrote:
thetwlo wrote:
sonofdirt wrote:
Hey guys looks like my number is up, Bert said my Fenix II is almost ready! When I got on the wait list 3? years ago I remember thinking 'you don't need to buy the Fenix III sequencer

I don't know the III is about the greatest, i guess it lacks CV control of direction.

Perfect? No. The best around right now, a big YES from me. Incredible sequencer with a mind bending feature set.

heh, it took awhile to come up with a negative.
meh, pretty great without that.
easily the best seq. around or ever.


w00t
Reese P. Dubin
Bert could make a bundle selling PCB kits for the sequencer. Like a BUNDLE

I do like using clocks in both directions on the CGS programmer/sequencer...does the TKB do that?
thetwlo
it is quite cool with pressure points, I haven't used a TKB.
thetwlo
has anyone connected the II and III together. sans the wood side(or rack) panels? Seems good if space is an issue... (I think i still need another inch anyway lol for my space)
Also, securing to walls? for 'quakes? I'm sure tv mounts work but, too many holes added to the case?
vassili
your Fénix 1 seems to have been a bad boy , you've slapped the head?
ndkent
Some size discoveries for those expecting one. The Fenix I was known to fit in an SKB Popup mixer case. The II and III are too deep so scratch that option.

Initially from diagrams and pictures I thought the Special Housing wasn't of much use to me. Then I realized something quite brilliant, its great to protect the knobs in transit. One can rest the whole unit in it's face and all the knobs are recessed. No dings on the beautiful wood cheeks either since they come off to put the special housing on. Be careful opening up though
well2thebone
electronicmusician wrote:
http://prussianphoenix.bandcamp.com/album/light-sabre-rattling

w00t



NICE!!!
MechaSeb
electronicmusician wrote:


Porn picture !!
May i ask what is the banana equipped blue gear on the back ?
thetwlo
MechaSeb wrote:
May i ask what is the banana equipped blue gear on the back ?


just guessing, but looks like one of those CES ed. lab analog computer things.
MechaSeb
thetwlo wrote:
MechaSeb wrote:
May i ask what is the banana equipped blue gear on the back ?


just guessing, but looks like one of those CES ed. lab analog computer things.


It looks like you're right. I didn't know this kind of stuff at all. Going to investigate a bit.
Anyway, that's pretty damn sexy w00t
thetwlo
they all get along.
Need to get more banana to mini converters to use the III with the euro.
exwel
exwel wrote:
sonofdirt wrote:
Hey guys looks like my number is up, Bert said my Fenix II is almost ready! When I got on the wait list 3? years ago I remember thinking 'you don't need to buy the Fenix III sequencer save your money' but shiiiiiit who was I kidding. So for those of you without a Fenix III what do you like for a sequencer? I currently use an encore expressionist for midi->cv but I'd like something more hands-on & inspiring.

Anybody sequence their modular w/ a machinedrum + cv converter? That's my plan so far.. This is fun!
Or silent way MY ASS IS BLEEDING


In what group your in?
also regreting to not get the sequencer:(


I was the first on the waiting list if a sequencer came free.
And i am lucky i am getting a Fenix II and a Fenix III begin of the next month:)
ndkent
thetwlo wrote:
MechaSeb wrote:
May i ask what is the banana equipped blue gear on the back ?


just guessing, but looks like one of those CES ed. lab analog computer things.


Not mine but it's definitely a CES Ed Lab, looks like a 651 which is a banana based Electronics trainer, you know, transistors, caps, etc. FWIW they did Logic trainers, 30+ year old memory/cpu type patchable trainers but not AFAIK analog computers.
Morley
exwel wrote:

I was the first on the waiting list if a sequencer came free.
And i am lucky i am getting a Fenix II and a Fenix III begin of the next month:)


You will be a happy camper!
exwel
Morley wrote:
exwel wrote:

I was the first on the waiting list if a sequencer came free.
And i am lucky i am getting a Fenix II and a Fenix III begin of the next month:)


You will be a happy camper!


I hope so also.

Also i hope there's a good manual for the sequencer...had once a sq10 but this one is a bit diffrent;)

Also curious what the diffrence will be with the osc's comparing with mu future hordijk system.
Morley
The manual is ok BUT it's a complex beast. You will need to invest some time to work out the extra stuff. I still haven't had time to delve deep.
David
thetwlo
exwel wrote:

I was the first on the waiting list if a sequencer came free.
And i am lucky i am getting a Fenix II and a Fenix III begin of the next month:)


The III is really special, it's just amazing, connect some Pressure Points to it! VC stage address is very cool, need a couple more Pressure Points.
exwel
Really looking forward to use the sequencer.
I quess it's a deep learning process.
MechaSeb
Just had a great moment this WE playing for the first time of my life the Fenix I. It sounds amazing and even if i didn't have the two versions to really compare i thought the sound was a bit more overdriving and that was just perfect to my hears. Also the first one has a definitely better interface imho.

Saying that... i still want a II one love
MechaSeb
Btw, the few times i had the occasion to play the Fenix (I or II, it doesn't changed so much at this point) i thought the Osc was sounding very good !! Pretty different than NTO/PCO & very "raw" & "vintage" (not as a 921a vintage meaning but something different than new productions). I really loved it !!

What do you think guys ?

(Have to precise that the condition of the test wasn't optimum... but sill i can't thanks enough my friends for having took time especially & letting me try his Fenix).
Reese P. Dubin
I still like the patchbay on the I better, but for the type of layout it would had to be as big as one of those MacBeth things.

The VCOs sound great and look amazing on the scope. FenixII is tracking around 7 octaves DEAD ON. I scaled my I VCOs the other day and only took them to about 4-5 because I wanted to get playing ASAP.

I have been using a split keyboard lately with 2 octaves on the I and 3 on the II. Just stupidly massive.
exwel
Saterday i pick the fenix's up at Bert place
I will post some pics when i have it in my studio. thumbs up
michaelvertex
While I haven't had the pleasure to try first Fenix I simply love my II, from classic to bonkers, this is definitely a keeper.

Has anyone tried patching their II to some sort of Serge panel(s)?
exwel
I am happy.





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michaelvertex
I wish I could've gotten a III, you are very fortunate! How many were actually made, maybe 20ish?

Who knows maybe a TKB could fill its place?
exwel
Of the sequencer there are arround 25 build and 60 fenix II
Correct me if iam wrong
exwel
ps i am totaly lost.

I use cubase and i want with my kenton pro 2000 to clock my fenix sequencer.
I really don't know how to get it worked.
Maybe someone can help me with some tips.
In the manual i can't find it.
so complex:)
Morley
Can't you just use Midi clock?
michaelvertex
I believe I can help, PM sent
michaelvertex
That should be the ticket, since I dont have the III, I totally spaced that it has a midi input

w00t
exwel
It has a midi input for clocking i guess.
I use the midi 24 output of the kenton to the midi in of the fenix.
Nothing happens also when i switch the button on the fenix to midi 8 or 4(only the green light will go red in the fenix logo.
thetwlo
of note:
the recent II's have a a midi jack, it's just to fill a space as the same cabinet is used for the III(seq)
Also, on the seq,(Fenix III) the "Gate C4" jacks, should be labeled "A4"
Morley
On the Kenton the 24 output is not midi sync, it's roland style sync..
Just use the Midi output. You have to also make sure that your sequencer is sending midi clock to that port.
You can also use a trigger out from the kenton clock out socket and send that to a rear jack on the III and then patch that from the front banana jack to the step input in the clock section..
Various options really.
ndkent
The III has a MIDI to clock built in. No MIDI notes in or out.

Regarding the Serge, I'm sure they would work though have not done too much cross patching.

Unofficially I think one of the motivations behind the original Fenix I is Marc had a TKB and wanted something he could carry to a gig
exwel
I connected (kenton clock out) to the sequencer clock on the fenix II
and that worked perfectly with cubase.
I want to do that offcourse on the fenix II but i can't get it to work.
I checked the manual chaptor 9.1 but i still don't get it to work.

Maybe it's possible that someone can explane it to me step by step or can take a picture of the patch on the fenix III.
Any help is welcome:)
exwel
Spoke to Bert,

Long story short the midi in cable in the sequencer was not connected.
Bert forgot:)
No it takes the cubase clock out applause


Here's a pic of the inside.
lockerz.com/s/229699782
Morley
Silly Bert!
exwel
Morley wrote:
Silly Bert!

Thought i was in super nOOb city lol
jenamu6
.....My Fenixes needed some new love...
I got a 808 303 combo on loan......and synced them up:

Morley
Excellent!
cat6batch
applause applause applause
SMS303
Got the synth earlier and the sequencer since yesterday....
WHAT A BEASTS AND KILLER COMBO!!!!!!

To be honest i'm a lil' afraid i won't understand or find all possible possibillities....
I patch and nice sounds are the results but i really don't have a clue what i'm doing lol
vassili
SMS303 wrote:
Got the synth earlier and the sequencer since yesterday....
WHAT A BEASTS AND KILLER COMBO!!!!!!

To be honest i'm a lil' afraid i won't understand or find all possible possibillities....
I patch and nice sounds are the results but i really don't have a clue what i'm doing lol


w00t


don't worry this synth is very intuitive,once you got all the modules in mind(take some times!) your patch-flow will be very fluid!

8_)
jenamu6
Or come over to my house Casper....I can explain bout 85% of the combo.
Reese P. Dubin
Whats everyone using the wave multiplier for at this point. It still stumps me. I began thinking in terms of audio, but only find it used as a modulator. And generally only in slow divisions.
SMS303
Thanks for the offer Jean! thumbs up
I keep it in mind for situations i really don't get what i've patched...

Some modules are new to me and i have to read the manual, what really isn't my favorite....
It's the sequencer, it's my first modular one, which overwhelm me...
Currently i use the 3 rows for cv for the 3 osc. and start patching and tweaking the knobs for results.....

Tonight is another Fenix investigastion/research night It's peanut butter jelly time!
Morley
The sequencer is a beast. I have had loads of vintage modulars with sequencers and the Fenix III is seriously complex, but not that hard to grasp the basics. I LOVE it but it needs time..
cat6batch
cry bumping with my new sig. Still on the waiting list too.
emdot_ambient
@jenamu6: That. Is. Fucking. Brilliant. thumbs up It's motherfucking bacon yo
pelican
man, how did I miss this? d'oh! I had one of the originals. Gonna go cry for a few years until one comes up for sale
cat6batch
Get in line smile

They do pop up now and then, just keep an eye out and a wad of cash in hand.
pelican
yes, I regret it everyday, but sometimes things happen in life that are out of your control. I will have another one someday whether it is the 1, 2, or 4 haha.
Time Machines
ndkent wrote:
Time Machines wrote:
jenamu6 wrote:
I have mine for almost a year......but that multiplier????

Bert explained to me that it is actually a simplified version of a more elaborate design, which was meant to do vocal formants. But he found it too complicated to handle so he stripped it down to what it is now.


Doesnt quite make sense since I can't think of a way that would put out a formants. now the filter with the several bandpass outs, that surely is the beginning of a vocal filter though it lacks some features, mainly built in resonance controls to be as full featured a formant filter as it could possibly be. Not that I'm complaining too much , it's still a good bit of filter

Your remark seems to have slipped my attention... I think Bert was talking about the wave multiplier rather than VCF3—which was a bit surprising to me too—but I may have misunderstood.

One thing I AM sure of though is that I haven't heard many vocal formant come out of mine! hihi
hellohihowareyou
Anyone get vocal formants out of VCF3? I've had zero luck with that.
Edit: sine waves were a big help with this.

Also, I've noticed that Step 1 on the 8step Fenix 2 sequencer holds slightly longer than the rest. Anyone else notice this? I'm currently consulting with Bert on this.
Edit: this was my own distorted perspective. Recorded a chunk and its fine.

Another issue is the /4 output of the F3 seems to start halfway through a cycle from the start. In other words, if patched into a sequencer channel it starts on the 3rd clock pulse instead of the 1st and 5th.
Anyone else notice these issues?
Edit: confirmed issue. Probably not and easy fix. Fuck it have plenty of dividers.
pelican
hellohihowareyou wrote:

Anyone else notice these issues?


i wish fap fap fap...
Cree8productions
I have a fenix on its way to me very soon can't wait It's peanut butter jelly time!
hellohihowareyou
Great to hear! What group were you in?
3vcos
Is Bert still shipping units? I assumed the production run was long over.
ndkent
Time Machines wrote:
ndkent wrote:
Time Machines wrote:
jenamu6 wrote:
I have mine for almost a year......but that multiplier????

Bert explained to me that it is actually a simplified version of a more elaborate design, which was meant to do vocal formants. But he found it too complicated to handle so he stripped it down to what it is now.


Doesnt quite make sense since I can't think of a way that would put out a formants. now the filter with the several bandpass outs, that surely is the beginning of a vocal filter though it lacks some features, mainly built in resonance controls to be as full featured a formant filter as it could possibly be. Not that I'm complaining too much , it's still a good bit of filter

Your remark seems to have slipped my attention... I think Bert was talking about the wave multiplier rather than VCF3—which was a bit surprising to me too—but I may have misunderstood.

One thing I AM sure of though is that I haven't heard many vocal formant come out of mine! hihi


I stand corrected, the Wave Multiplier does seem to be a foundation for implementing VOSIM Synthesis
pelican
what brand of cables are they using with these? with the angled leads
hellohihowareyou
Managed to get some vocal-inspired sounds out of the wavemult yesterday.

pelican : I bought three sets of cables from Bert and I have a bunch of pomonas, but the pomonas are very stiff which doesn't always work best. Both are great though, don't think it matters.
jenamu6
hellohihowareyou wrote:
Managed to get some vocal-inspired sounds out of the wavemult yesterday.
.


Please share This is fun!
pelican
yeah i had a mix of cables with my fenix1 and i didn't like the pomonas which is why i asked. I tried to order a pack from bert, but he said he didn't have enough so I'm gonna try to buy them elsewhere...but I don't know the brand
hellohihowareyou
pelican - berts are all made in house with stock components I believe.

jena - Just a matter of editing down some of these 20 minute chunks.... d'oh!
pelican
ok guys, I will have one in a few weeks It's motherfucking bacon yo nanners SlayerBadger! Drinking w00t!! headbang Chugging Beers booty wiggler
hellohihowareyou
Great news, pelican. From Bert or used? I'm looking for another one..
pelican
Used but new, someone bought 2
hellohihowareyou
pelican: great news! look forward to hearing your experience.

electronicmusician:
Had a nearly identical patch with sequencer+wavemult+s&h going a couple weeks ago. very crunchy.

Also have a 606 with 5 trig outs, works wonders.

Funny you mention the fuse. I blew my F2 fuse early last week.
Had it going for about 8 hours at night, went to sleep, and it was dead when I turned it on 6 hours later.
I have it plugged into a power strip that I turn on and off. Maybe the problem came from there? Not sure what else to do.
pelican
yeah man, I never would have believed I would get one. Had to pay a little extra, but it's still a bargain for what you get... so I don't mind. Bert's sending me a board so I can change the power supply to US power. I need to find a plug end for the cord and some pomonas, but should be good to go in a week or two thumbs up
pelican
Be here tomorrow
empirix
XL or a grp A4?
pelican
Fenix 2
Reese P. Dubin
I might have ot make some wood sides for mine. Thats looks really sharp.

Congratulations on the score. You will no doubt be satisfied.
mafouka
The fenix was how I was introduced to modular synths, and it actually inspired me to get a job and become a "real person" just to afford one. Unfortunately the waiting list was way too long, so I opted to go the Eurorack route. One day I will own a Fenix! They're such beautiful synths.
michaelvertex
i wonder if anyone has compared the circuits of original Fenix with the II?
michaelvertex
i would also be into getting some woodsides made... w00t
Reese P. Dubin
Everything in II is more sophisticated than the original from my perspective. Just expanded on the original designs where applicable. The waves all look textbook perfect in both, just lots more of them in II. Plus all the other shiny bells and whistles.
pelican
I remember when i had fenix 1. I went to this guy's house to buy his arp 2600. He used to write for keyboard magazine. I took the fenix, and we messed about for around an hour. He had never heard of it, but he was really just blown away by how good it sounded
michaelvertex
did the fella with the 2600 try to get you to trade? hihi

also, on a side note i heard the new sleazy/danny hyde collaboration wednesday eve... sounds like fenix all over it. supposedly sleazy's last musick before his passing

ELECTRIC SEWER AGE (COIL) - Moon's Milk In Final Phase

available here http://www.soleilmoon.com/
pelican
nah, I'm pretty sure he knew I wouldn't. At that time 2600's were going for 3 grand. Interestingly he had already downgaded to one mono, one poly, one organ, one sequencer, and two maxed out emu samplers. Said he got more done that way
thetwlo
yes, Emax II +2600+ Fenix IIx2 sound good to me.
Morley
pelican wrote:
Fenix 2


Nice. Congrats. Well worth the wait, no?
Morley
empirix wrote:
XL or a grp A4?


I think the Fenix II is just about the best thing since sliced bread (or voltage control)
Morley
pelican wrote:
nah, I'm pretty sure he knew I wouldn't. At that time 2600's were going for 3 grand. Interestingly he had already downgaded to one mono, one poly, one organ, one sequencer, and two maxed out emu samplers. Said he got more done that way


I have downsized too and am happy (just once in a while I get a twinge for my Buchla 200 and 300, but it's mainly lust rather than need)
Fenix II/III, ARP 2600 and VCS3 as far as modulars go is still pretty powerful It's motherfucking bacon yo
pelican
Morley wrote:


Nice. Congrats. Well worth the wait, no?


Definitely! I'll be broke for a month or 2, but that's ok with me haha
michaelvertex
Morley wrote:
Fenix II/III, ARP 2600 and VCS3 as far as modulars go is still pretty powerful It's motherfucking bacon yo


thats quite the setup, congratulations! w00t
Morley
michaelvertex wrote:
Morley wrote:
Fenix II/III, ARP 2600 and VCS3 as far as modulars go is still pretty powerful It's motherfucking bacon yo


thats quite the setup, congratulations! w00t


Indeed! I think I am getting to where I am happy. The VCS3 is still something out there to me. I don't get it entirely, but it makes lovely noises sometimes. Only had a VCS3 since 1993, so perhaps I need another 20 years?
The 2600 I know inside out. My left hand.
The Fenix is modern but classic. accurate yet funky. Can be warm or harsh. It really is a powerful package and ultimately as a tool, trumps most systems I have had.
I think it's a bargain. Just a Fenix II and there are no excuses. It has enough modules and features to solve most synth situations and it has character.
MindMachine
Morley wrote:
pelican wrote:
nah, I'm pretty sure he knew I wouldn't. At that time 2600's were going for 3 grand. Interestingly he had already downgaded to one mono, one poly, one organ, one sequencer, and two maxed out emu samplers. Said he got more done that way


I have downsized too and am happy (just once in a while I get a twinge for my Buchla 200 and 300, but it's mainly lust rather than need)
Fenix II/III, ARP 2600 and VCS3 as far as modulars go is still pretty powerful It's motherfucking bacon yo


Not ever the 2500? I still watch those old clips you did. You had a wry little smile while you were doing those jams... Sun
Morley
MindMachine wrote:


Not ever the 2500? I still watch those old clips you did. You had a wry little smile while you were doing those jams... Sun


A wonderful machine. I guess it's really a question of all of these synths being great and unique and as I couldn't keep all of them, choices. Sure I'd have loved to have kept it. It has a lovely sweet sound and the multimode filter was very cool for percussive stuff but the 2600 kind of has everything you need in a practical unit.
The nicest to use was my old Buchla 200. Great feel to it and quality through and through but even that didn't get into my music as much as the 2600 and the Fenix is my main synth now, so it's all about what works for my music if I'm honest. Also I had the 2500 and Buchla for nearly 20 years and change can be a good thing too (plus I needed money)

You make a good point though. A synth should bring a smile to your face. The only issue with the Fenix is it is compact and packed full of stuff, so it can get fiddly, but it's a well designed machine, so that's the only neg.
pelican
so I swapped the power supply and soldered a new cord, ordered some cables. Now I wait for them to arrive. Torture
Reese P. Dubin
DONT WAIT

grab some old lamps or anything that has heavyish wires, peel the pairs apart, cut to useful lengths, strip 1/2" off each end and fold the stripped part back in half=CABLES

DO IT

DONT WAIT
michaelvertex
yeah i couldnt wait either, you must have nerves of steel! MY ASS IS BLEEDING
matttech
these DO look great don’t they?

sorry if this has been answered a million times, but it’s a 77 page thread!!!!

can you still buy these new? i’m guessing from a few comments that there has been a long waiting list, and I just read online that all units have been sold, and that it’s a “limited run”

(http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL_Specs.html)

i presume that’s up-to-date info

would really love something with bananas, and a self-contained system appeals
qu.one
matttech wrote:
these DO look great don’t they?

sorry if this has been answered a million times, but it’s a 77 page thread!!!!

can you still buy these new? i’m guessing from a few comments that there has been a long waiting list, and I just read online that all units have been sold, and that it’s a “limited run”

(http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL_Specs.html)

i presume that’s up-to-date info

would really love something with bananas, and a self-contained system appeals


Your best bet is to email Bert and get on the list. I was on that list for over two years and guess what - I should have one in a month or so!!! I don't know how the list works, and out communication prior to recently was basically zero, but I'm next in line. Possibly selling a bunch of Cwejman for it actually.
Nelson Baboon
fuck. came in upside down somehow. Trying again....strange - had to rotate 180 degrees.

Morley
Red knobs and switch caps on the Fenix III!
Mine are black knobs and white caps
Nelson Baboon
Do you have a picture of yours somewhere? I'd be curious. I think that mine looks great...
Morley
Here's a rubbish pic! Too dark in the studio.
I like the red knobs, but would keep the YELLOW switches! (my eyes are bad!)

Nelson Baboon
It doesn't show up for me:
"this image or video is currently unavailable"
Morley
Found a better pic and the switches are Yellow! I am getting decrepit and old..
Nelson Baboon
Cool. Thanks.

Damn - this thing is dense. I"m going to have a fun day...
qu.one
Nelson Baboon wrote:
Cool. Thanks.

Damn - this thing is dense. I"m going to have a fun day...


did you just get one too? i am hoping to snag a III to go with the II I recently got. what an awesome machine. VCF1 notch being modulated is hypnotic.
Nelson Baboon
yeah - got a 2/3. It arrived a couple of hours ago....pic is a little above.
qu.one
awesome!
pelican
Morley wrote:
Found a better pic and the switches are Yellow! I am getting decrepit and old..


I think it's just whatever he happens to grab. I noticed my switches were different than some of the other fenix2's posted here
fireclown
congratulations!
Nelson Baboon
!!!

I've commented before on how one's opinions are skewed from spending lots of $ and getting something new....

But my 'honest' opinion right now is that this is by a pretty wide margin, the most FUN synthesizer/modular I have ever used.

I am just fucking thrilled righ nowl
Nelson Baboon
qu.one wrote:
Nelson Baboon wrote:
Cool. Thanks.

Damn - this thing is dense. I"m going to have a fun day...


did you just get one too? i am hoping to snag a III to go with the II I recently got. what an awesome machine. VCF1 notch being modulated is hypnotic.


Fuck man, you simply have to get the 3.....
Morley
Nelson Baboon wrote:
!!!

I've commented before on how one's opinions are skewed from spending lots of $ and getting something new....

But my 'honest' opinion right now is that this is by a pretty wide margin, the most FUN synthesizer/modular I have ever used.

I am just fucking thrilled righ nowl


In my opinion, I have yet to find anything better as a practical modern yet classic synth.
pelican
I want a 3 so bad, but don't know where I'd find the cash
SunSpots
Hey guys I know Burt will reply to my emails but what what is the cost of the II and III?
Nelson Baboon
SunSpots wrote:
Hey guys I know Burt will reply to my emails but what what is the cost of the II and III?


base price for the 2+3 was 5500 euros, and then a little bit extra for wood panels + rack ears (wanted to have in case I ever wanted to rack it), spare parts, and there are some other options, as I recall.

I also got hit for a $360 customs fee.
qu.one
SunSpots wrote:
Hey guys I know Burt will reply to my emails but what what is the cost of the II and III?


http://www.dutchsynth.nl/FenixXL_Specs.html

Fenix II 3350 euro
Fenix III 2150 euro

Plus shipping and paypal %.

You can also buy cables sets from him.
Nelson Baboon
I saved some money by wiring it. For something this expensive it seemed silly to spend 3% on paypal....

I wish that I had used currencyfair, rather than my bank. I checked after I had already sent it, and I would have saved about $250 or so.

But the only way to get a new one now is to get on the waiting list and hope that other people cancel. It sounds to me like he makes these for fun, it isn't his full time job, and he just doesn't want to make tons of them.
SunSpots
Yah that's what it seems like. He said I may have good timing but I've been in the list since early 2012. Lets hope luck is with me
Blue Meanie
Fenix IV???

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/fenix.html
pelican
Oh yeah! If it is a synth i hope it has vc reverb and a joystick. Could be a controller, anything, or nothing
Nelson Baboon
Blue Meanie wrote:
Fenix IV???

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/fenix.html


holy fuck. I just sent him an email. I'd buy anything from that guy right now.
Malekko
Blue Meanie wrote:
Fenix IV???

http://www.dutchsynth.nl/fenix.html


*head explodes*
Morley
I can't see IV. Looks like it has gone!
In anycase, I ordered one Dead Banana
Nelson Baboon
I clicked on the link and I still saw the IV, but I did get a response from Bert. Apparently it's a mistake that it's there. He didn't tell me what it was, but he implied that it's way in the future, just in the most beginning stages of design, and he didn't even say what it was.
Blue Meanie
I figured it was way in the future, but it's exciting to know he isn't stopping.
pelican
He told me is not a synth or a sequencer. Whatever it is it will be cool
Blue Meanie
Maybe a vocoder or drum synthesizer? I would be cool with either one.
Nelson Baboon
I think that it's very cool that he's starting to work on new stuff.

I'm just so impressed with what this guy does. He only makes enough that it's still fun, and he really doesn't charge boutique prices. And the features/build/sound are just first rate imo.
SunSpots
Buying serge until I can get my dirty hands on a Fenix. Maybe my name will be pulled out of the hat? Fenix 4.... I refuse to speculate. I need 2 and 3!!
Nelson Baboon
SunSpots wrote:
Buying serge until I can get my dirty hands on a Fenix. Maybe my name will be pulled out of the hat? Fenix 4.... I refuse to speculate. I need 2 and 3!!


I don't think he selects at random. I think that he just goes in order....

Being crass about it (and I'm not talking about mine - it is not for sale) - if you're willing to pay way more than the new price, and advertise this, you might find a seller. I personally think that you get much more for your money than with Serge, so .....
schmuck
If any of you happy owners is getting bored of the fenix II/III (i.e. in 20 to 30 years or so), pm me. I am very interested in buying it ("full" set synth+seq only).
Nelson Baboon
schmuck wrote:
If any of you happy owners is getting bored of the fenix II/III (i.e. in 20 to 30 years or so), pm me. I am very interested in buying it ("full" set synth+seq only).


If you give me 50% down now, I will agree to sell you both in 30 years.
pelican
So which of the filters do you guys use the most?
Morley
I mainly use filters 1,2,3 and 4.
I can honestly say I use them all, but possibly vcf4 a touch less.
schmuck
Nelson Baboon wrote:

If you give me 50% down now, I will agree to sell you both in 30 years.
hihi
Need to get your will then, too!

Hmm...I guess I'll stay at the bottom of Bert's (very long) list then.
cat6batch
SunSpots wrote:
Yah that's what it seems like. He said I may have good timing but I've been in the list since early 2012. Lets hope luck is with me


Luck? You have to wait until it's your turn. Plenty of people in line ahead of you.
snufkin
in an ideal world I would have a fenix must be the bounciest sounding synth there is we're not worthy
Reese P. Dubin
Is Bert still cutting off at #75?

Seems he could keep going for a long time, and the world would be a much happier place.
jenamu6
I'm still a proud owner of the II and III. Haven't give them much love lately but will do so again soon.
It's remarkable that such a humble man, with a normal day job, is able to make such beautiful instruments.
I still remember the day I picked them up at his house, very friendly man, working at his kitchen table sort of speak.

He showed me my instruments, we had a little talk....and I was impressed by such combination of pure genius and modesty.

Even more when I came home and played with them for 2 days is a row without sleep.

Namaste Bert!
Morley
I think all instruments need time away from them. When you come back you look at them in a different light.
The FII/III is awesome but that doesn't mean straying is a bad thing!

It's incredible what they build at Synton and I am very happy to be a customer.

(I still want them to build a new "college" system)
cat6batch
I have recieved my email twisted
pelican
Congrats, you're gonna love it
Morley
cat6batch wrote:
I have recieved my email twisted


Congrats. Still my number one synth and sequencer.
cat6batch
Could someone please confirm how many RU these unit are, I need to get some more racks.
thetwlo
cat6batch wrote:
Could someone please confirm how many RU these unit are, I need to get some more racks.


the rack rails are 18.5" -so just under 11 units?
cat6batch
thetwlo wrote:
cat6batch wrote:
Could someone please confirm how many RU these unit are, I need to get some more racks.


the rack rails are 18.5" -so just under 11 units?


I found "11HE" somewhere on Berts site, is that the same as RU? I might just shoot Bert another email.
cat6batch
Received my tracking number from Bert, it's going to be a long week Dead Banana

Does anyone else in Aus own a Fenix?
cat6batch
MY ASS IS BLEEDING Received my Fenix's and haven't slept!

Has anyone with the rack mount version found a case that is suitable? I've been looking at popup mixer cases but none are deep enough.
cat6batch
No more fenixfunk?
strettara
Not to be a naysayer - heaven forbid! - this sounds like a normal subtractive synth to me, what's the big deal? Aesthetics and integration aside, that is. Nelson, for instance - what is it that really gets you going about the Fenix?
Kazremark
So... are these still in production? I emailed to be on the list a few years ago, and got some kind of confirmation that I would be on the list for future runs. I tried emailing a few times since then but never got a response. Kind of forgot about it until seeing this thread.
Kazremark
To specify, I was added to the list in 2011 but Bert only stated that "I am busy with the current production run, but you'll be on the list for any future runs".
cat6batch
Kazremark wrote:
So... are these still in production? I emailed to be on the list a few years ago, and got some kind of confirmation that I would be on the list for future runs. I tried emailing a few times since then but never got a response. Kind of forgot about it until seeing this thread.


No more Fenix II's or III's are being made last I heard from Bert.
moog55
does anyone have a PDF version of the user manuals for the II and III?

also, could someone please PM me Bert's primary email address? i've used the email address provided on the website a few times, but never get responses. smile
Kazremark
Sent you a message, moog55.
cat6batch
It's the one on the website moog55
hellohihowareyou
Fuses: 2A slow blow is fine for both units
My II blew out pretty early on and I had to figure that out for myself. It was a great excuse to open it up though

Triggers: had as many as 7 drum machine trigs coming in at the same time and believe some of them needed to be buffered or amped. The II seems to be particular about external voltages.

LFOs/Slew: try using LFO's as percussive and AR envelopes by hitting the res inputs and modulating with cv using the III. I haven't successfully pulled an envelope out of the slew, but I've done the feedback trick to create an extra LFO... The III is also great for complex envelopes with or without slew from the II or III.


Help/Suggestions?
Looking for a module that when hit with a trig would start sending a single input CV to the next step in a series of outputs.
example: cv input entering Module passing through to output 1, Module hit with a trig, now cv input is passing to output 2, etc
A stepping switch basically. cv control of the output number would be nice but a trig or gate step function is what I'm looking for.
thousandcuts
electronicmusician wrote:
potentially considering £cash offers on my fenix sequencer (located in britain)


i feel its a pretty deep hardware sequencer of its kind. would you know of any other sequencers comparible/on the same level or more advanced?
wavecircle
I've been on the list for over 4 years, when my number came up I didn't have the cash so Bert was kind enough to put me to the end of the list. I didn't hear anything for ages so I decided to send Bert an email to ask if the run was completely finished. He did say that he forgot about me but would check if there were enough parts to do one more. He checked and has started to build a II and III for me, I didn't even tell him to go ahead but I am kind of glad he did. The demos on here have got me excited about it again. I had completely put it out of my mind to be honest. It's peanut butter jelly time!
pelican
Wish i could afford a 3. You're gonna love them man
wavecircle
Need to raise the funds first very frustrating

I am selling a few Buchla modules which is actually quite painful as I have started to really like the 200e after a very rocky start. The fenix is completely different, seems like a "classic" modular, more east coast. I've never owned a modular like that, always gone for the "west coast" systems, just waited so long I can't turn down the chance. First world problems.
thousandcuts
know what you mean about the smell.
just went had a whiff of my fenix 2&3. when turned on/heated up can't get enough of it, same goes for my girlfriends fanny.
d-50 has this wicked smell about them too, oddly enough for digital synth.
also, this super heavy old early 70s 12 channel Philips mixer i stole/took one night from an abandoned stadium being torn down. haven't been able to find any info about it/model online, but it smells so fucking warm can't keep my nose out of its vents, and running the fenix through its chunky preamps hmmm
thousandcuts
how can you get 4 or 5 voices out of the fenix ii ? Filters with res turned up as additional voices?
hellohihowareyou
Programmable Quanitizer:
this is already produced by Moon Modular very well. the 565 + expander

Intellijel also makes one in euro, the uScale II

Fenix 3 sequencer expander:
when I set mine to 2x8 the cv a-2 runs two rows of 8 (1-8, 9-16) and the a-1 runs a full 16 step sequence. is that not what yours does, em?
please explain

Smell:
..is all marketing hype
spread open your fenixes and lick them. they taste like tempered rohs bullshit. no character.
now lick an sh-5 or an original sem.. tastes like slow-roasted catfish

Fenix Voices:
tonal and tunable-
vco 1,2,3
lfo 1,3
vcf 1,2

atonal/barely tunable-
analogue noise
digital noise
feedback delay
lfo 4,5

after reading this thread i managed to get 6 entirely independent and properly tunable voices out of the FII at the same time, each consisting of an oscillator plus envelope controlled vca. this includes using the slew and a couple lfo's as stupid envelopes.
beyond that, vca's and reliable envelopes are the main limitation
thousandcuts
still waiting for the polyphonic pvco module from TipTop Audio. get 3 of them then boom! 3osc 8-voice polysynth. no more fucking around trying to make a poly out of a mono. Any-1 had experience with the korg ps series? the idea of the 3 osc microtuning aspect gives me a synthetic stiffy.
cat6batch
electronicmusician wrote:

in 2x8 mode the sequence will play 3 sets of 8 pots simultaneously but there is one set of eight pots doing nothing....


User issue lol
cat6batch
electronicmusician wrote:
btw, would it be much more expensive to have 6 vcos instead of 3 vcos and 3 lfos?


You would have to add at least another RU on the unit to fit it in comfortably on the panel.
thousandcuts
what are you owners using to store/case/transport the Fenix II & III ?
flight/roadcases?
im moving soon so might just box mine up in bubblwrap and bunched up paper until i find the right case.

any suggestions/recommendations?

am thinking of a custom 11/12U split-in-half hard case, so both face each other when the two halves of the cases are closed together. so just 1 case. when using, just opening the case in half, each fenix in each half. wondering about the advantages/disadvantages if this?
thanks
hellohihowareyou
sequencer:
working on getting a full understanding of the FIII sequencing options and will make a post or video about it soon.
half the difficulty for me has been a language barrier

cases:
as for a split case, i think they're too heavy to do that comfortably. not to mention the hinges or latches always get bent on cases like that.
SH-5, EML 100/401.. never been happy with any of those. those SKB style cases and latches hold up well though.

personally i took them on a very long journey with bubble wrap and sturdy boxes.
ndkent
I use the inset rack on the II and II, it protects the knobs excellently. Then I add foam and bubble wrap and into a suitcase for each.

Unlike the original fenix, the II and III definitely do not fit in a gator mixer case

oh and technically the korg ps3200 offers alternate tuning. Microtuning implies more than 12 notes per octave. So one could do Just Inotation but not say quarter tone scales. I would guess modulation would have limits but my experience isn't much.
hellohihowareyou
sequences:
I have hacked together a method for a 64-step sequence and am working to get the same result with a less complex patch at which point I will share.

Next up will be 64+ step patches using shifting strings of transpositions that trigger in a more sophisticated order.

very tasty oops
wavecircle


applause applause applause
Kaput
wavecircle wrote:


applause applause applause


thumbs up
Heavy Metal Kid
Can anyone recommend some good Youtube demos of the Fenix synths? The first ones I found there were quite horrible.
wavecircle
Dennis Verschoor's demos on the Dutchsynth.nl site are the best ones. In my humble opinion I should add.
Heavy Metal Kid
Thanks, those were a lot better! It's peanut butter jelly time!
wavecircle
This one is totally badass:

http://dutchsynth.nl/Sound/Dennis-GTDark-006.wav
thetwlo
electronicmusician wrote:
got some demos recorded but where's a good place to upload them? youtube and soundcloud are blocked in china? thanks

bandcamp blocked?
hellohihowareyou
check out chirbit or vocaroo if you don't mind something rudimentary.

finally managed to hack together a 64-step cv+gate sequence with the FIII
haven't felt this swollen since san francisco '91
i recorded with different FII settings and then did a shit job of splicing them together, but as a proof of concept and FII sound demo it will do.
the sequence is very repetitive for which i am deeply sorrowful

64 stepper

oh and that's from a 192 mp3. maybe i should do 320?
thousandcuts
electronicmusician wrote:
got some demos recorded but where's a good place to upload them? youtube and soundcloud are blocked in china? thanks


tor?
hellohihowareyou
don't think it's possible to automate any mixers. if you get that working please let me know

my method for 64 uses the srun inputs, and unfortunately the channels do not flip into reverse in forward-reverse mode when triggered that way.
also, they function as 1...16...1 instead of 1...16,16...1 so only 120 steps at best. that's ok, 15/16 time sig is tasty too

i like the slow 64-step idea but don't believe that will work because the cv and gates are locked together per channel so no fast gates. :(
other possibilities though.. will try next

using external modules or mutes in a DAW would make any of this simple, but I'm still enjoying seeing how much juice I can squeeze from only these tasty beauts smile

for theoretical maximum, attenuators/mixers teamed with LFO's could provide another 10 steps so we're up to 154 with fwd-rev limitation considered

VCO1 as clock is a good idea. very easy to make a traditional disco beat, or make it funky with gdelay, cpr, etc and a few vca's

re:one vco orchestra
use the rectifier on another output like the triangle to add a soft flute

steps 1-4 on my 808 stopped responding today. any ideas?
hellohihowareyou
snatched these and enjoying. thanks for sharing. got lost laying on the floor to that sine wave one. a lot of subtlety inside the patches of the upbeat ones too. breaks in the 3rd one are ace.

re:that idea about the 64-step slow/fast bit. i think i found a solution contrary to my last comments. will make a recording and post soon.

friendly competition:
3 voice poly using only 2 and 3
easy enough on the surface, but how interesting can it be? very, i think.

trying to find someone reliable in the US for an 808 repair if anyone has a suggestion.

for now it's all trigged out 606 Lotsa Love
moog55
@electronicmusician - really enjoying these. thanks for sharing. Chugging Beers
wavecircle
Ohhh, I like this fenix malarkey. Very well built, I would be confident of throwing them through a window and them working afterwards. Filters are great, Lfos are great, a true analogue powerhouse. Awesome.
wavecircle
Is everybody else's delay very noisy at longest delay setting? I listened to one of David Morley's tracks and the delay is nice and crisp at a reasonably long setting. I get loads of high frequency bleed which might be fairly standard for this kind of delay?
moog55
are the Fenix II and III that are on ebay right now owned by a wiggler?

kinda surprised to see them for sale/auction, but I guess they do come up once in a while.

EDIT: just realized there are *2* Fenix II on ebay right now and 1 Fenix III. wow.
hellohihowareyou
just searched ebay worldwide and there is no record of there being any for sale or having had any for sale. please post a link.
probably fraud listings.

traveling at the moment and away from my fenix :..(
fireclown
hellohihowareyou wrote:
just searched ebay worldwide and there is no record of there being any for sale or having had any for sale. please post a link.
probably fraud listings.

traveling at the moment and away from my fenix :..(


Interesting. I saw them also, maybe two days back, but now I dont.
One was described as built 12-13.
ah, here at the top of this matrixsynth feed.
http://www.matrixsynth.com/search/label/Synton
pelican
Still one up. Price is really cheap too. So much more synth than the fenix 1 should be worth way more
moog55
sorry for the late reply, guys. i saw all three last night on matrixsynth and they were all still up on the bay. looks like the seller of the II/III changed his mind or something. ibut just like @pelican said - one is still up.
chrisso
OK. One was in France the other London.
I was looking on Ebay USA or locally (Ebay Australia).
The London one has to be the one from Sound On Sound.
vassili
moog55 wrote:
are the Fenix II and III that are on ebay right now owned by a wiggler?


Yes they're mine!

Ebay have canceled my auctions because i put additional fees for paypal payment!

It's now again for auction,i put the links in ebay FS thread.
pelican
Went for next to nothing. Someone got very lucky
chrisso
How much is 'next to nothing'?
pelican
2900£
sonofdirt
I got to play with a sandblaster today and made this pint glass It's peanut butter jelly time!



Guinness ftw!
pelican
Very cool
Heavy Metal Kid
Fenix XL Beer.
sonofdirt
More pics:
Pint masked
Pint unmasked
Also uploaded a quick jam to youtube nanners
synton fenix 2 sneakjam

twisted
Heavy Metal Kid
That sneak jam sounds cool!
thousandcuts
where can I get the latest up-to-date manual-pdf online?
moog55
thousandcuts wrote:
where can I get the latest up-to-date manual-pdf online?



i just PM'ed you with an attached pdf of the Fenix II manual.
thousandcuts
i'm having trouble understanding the sequencer/s

maybe as a first, can someone give me the basics?
the manual is hard for me to understand.

how do i sync my fxii 8-step sequecner to my roland mpu-101 from my daw clock? when i try the fxii seq still triggers the cv...ahh hard to explain properly.

i just want to be able to adjust the fxii sequencer gate/cv times, so that i could get 8 notes played from the fxii sequencer and for it to be 1 bar or more/16 steps? but only using the fxii sequencer/8 notes? and to be able to adjust the 8 step/gate times, using the 8 yellow bus ?
i want to use the mpu101 in the sync mode, sending out 1/16 or 1/8 or 1/4 etc
thousandcuts
I want to sync the 8 step sequencer with my roland mpu101 clock with ableton etc or vice versa...
And want to be able to change the 8 gate/step lengths on the fxii, so that I could essentially make a live 16 step/or 1 bar loop sequence cycle repeating live, in sync with ableton/mpu101 etc and being able to change different step gate lengths etc

How do I properly do this?
redux
Is the fenix 2 still in production? I am getting mixed information from what I read,
qu.one
thousandcuts wrote:
I want to sync the 8 step sequencer with my roland mpu101 clock with ableton etc or vice versa...
And want to be able to change the 8 gate/step lengths on the fxii, so that I could essentially make a live 16 step/or 1 bar loop sequence cycle repeating live, in sync with ableton/mpu101 etc and being able to change different step gate lengths etc

How do I properly do this?


Easiest way - Sync clock signal into the clock input on the Fenix sequencer (4th input from the left in the sequencer section). You will still have to press the run/stop push button to get it going but it should sync to the external signal.

If it doesn't like the signal - send the sync signal into the Comparator In(-) and then the CPR out to the clock input.
pelican
redux wrote:
Is the fenix 2 still in production? I am getting mixed information from what I read,


Nope
thousandcuts
any tips/tricks/hints/patches how to make a sequence with the ii & iii clocked with midi to a DAW or maybe no daw...but with adjustable gate/step times?
some basics would be good...
thousandcuts
also, how do i go about fm on the fenix? thought i had it but...

sync the vcos together? vcas or not? witch envelopes?
thousandcuts
[quote="pelican"]
redux wrote:

sonofdirt wrote:

moog55 wrote:

qu.one wrote:

hellohihowareyou wrote:

fireclown wrote:

electronicmusician wrote:

wavecircle wrote:


figure comparator
sunnypedaal
what's the problem with fm ?
simply connect , isn't it?
thousandcuts
what manky case is it? pic?

bento box?

i'd like to know the same, about cases.

also, whats a good source/s for banana cables? besides bert. and banana to 3.5mm cables? i'd prefer interesting colour combos, green shades.
what are others using for midi-cv sequencing ? mpu-101 is what i'm using at the moment, thinking about getting the vermona quad midi-cv as well.
anyone using the doepfer mcv24?
Dave Peck
Banana patch cords are made by Pomona Electronics. Here's a link to a page on their site that lists all length / color versions of these patch cords and shows links to all distributors, with stock quantity info.

http://www.stkcheck.com/evs/pomona/pomonaheader.asp?mfg=pomona&part=B

And a link to the spec sheet which tells you how to read the part numbers and specify the length in inches and the color:

http://www.pomonaelectronics.com/pdf/d_b_1_01.pdf
sunnypedaal
i use a kenton pro2000 as interface
before iused doepferbut the kenton is better in resolution and callibration tmho
qstate
Out of curiosity, what does a Fenix II run used?
pelican
Just depends. The last one that sold on ebay went for 9 grand.
thetwlo
pelican wrote:
Just depends. The last one that sold on ebay went for 9 grand.

you can check that on ebay. easy. no, can't find that.
$6,700 is the highest I found? you have some citation? or just trying to sell your own?
sunnypedaal
maybe for the 2 and 3 together ?
i think a 2 might be doing 4500euro's , if you find one, the sequencer ( fenix3 ) is more difficult even to find as there are less made ( 25 or so )
pelican
thetwlo wrote:
pelican wrote:
Just depends. The last one that sold on ebay went for 9 grand.

you can check that on ebay. easy. no, can't find that.
$6,700 is the highest I found? you have some citation? or just trying to sell your own?


It was a month or two ago, auction was listed on matrixsynth
Sorry not 9grand 8891+ 200 euro shipping
Item number 261422372427
qstate
Thanks for the data pelican, thetwlo, and sunnypedaal.

Any opinions on functional density for $7-8K compared to a similar price used Serge or Buchla system? Like 2 Panels/M-boats of Serge or 6-8 200e modules?
skkatter
sunnypedaal wrote:
maybe for the 2 and 3 together ?
i think a 2 might be doing 4500euro's , if you find one, the sequencer ( fenix3 ) is more difficult even to find as there are less made ( 25 or so )

I asked Bert and he said he made 75 of the Fenix II and 25 of the Fenix III as that's how many enclosures he had in total.
wavecircle
qstate wrote:
Thanks for the data pelican, thetwlo, and sunnypedaal.

Any opinions on functional density for $7-8K compared to a similar price used Serge or Buchla system? Like 2 Panels/M-boats of Serge or 6-8 200e modules?


I don't think the Fenix is necessarily "functionally dense". It does have a lot of functions but it is physically a much bigger system then a buchla or serge, all the sections do their own job in the same way an east coast system is laid out. Banana patching certainly improves the way you think about approaching it though.

I think I worked it out at the time that you would need about 4-5 serge panels to "match" or get close to the functionality of the Fenix II/III. I sold mine because all the things I liked about the Fenix were the parts which reminded me of the Serge. They are big things too at 11U each. I would personally be happier with 3 panels of Serge as I don't really need all those filters and sequencers.
Reese P. Dubin
Most powerful synth that will probably ever be built behind one faceplate. Really not that large either.
wavecircle
I should probably clarify, If you are comparing the Fenix II/III to 6/8 modules of Buchla or 2 shop panels of Serge, the Fenix will blow it out of the water in terms of available functions. Just when I think of functional density I think of functions per area. The Fenix really is an excellent system and a great deal but 24U of Buchla or STS Serge will be far more functionally dense than the Fenix combo but then we are heading into $25000+ territory.
jenamu6
Still loving mine.....but lately I've been thinking about selling the sequencer. to buy a cirklon.
I love the sequencer, but for production it's just not convenient.
....difficult.

Any sequencer users here that want to share thoughts?
Vootman
I vant von.
skkatter
jenamu6 wrote:
Still loving mine.....but lately I've been thinking about selling the sequencer. to buy a cirklon.
I love the sequencer, but for production it's just not convenient.
....difficult.

I own the Fenix II and III and also a Cirklon. I still use the Fenix sequencer a lot, mostly to send sequences to some filter CV ins of the Fenix II, but also to sequencer Serge stuff as I've got four panels of that.

The Cirklon is perfect as the master brains behind the tracks I'm working on, but for quick hands on simple sequences the Fenix III is better as it's more physical and hands on.

But then again I'm a bit of a step sequencer fiend, I've also got a Sam-16 that I use constantly.
schmuck
Plus you can do stuff with the fenix III that is just not possible or very cumbersome with the cirklon. Apply CV to the clock in and length, for example. Hands on.

So I agree they are very different it just starts with the fenix III not having "note values" to enter. Both have their places, the fenix is far more inviting to me for experimenting weird stuff. If I want to explore scales or add melodies to existing compositions, the cirklon might be easier...or if I am in a "programming" mood.
Morley
qstate wrote:
Thanks for the data pelican, thetwlo, and sunnypedaal.

Any opinions on functional density for $7-8K compared to a similar price used Serge or Buchla system? Like 2 Panels/M-boats of Serge or 6-8 200e modules?


The Fenix is PACKED. I had an old Serge 6 panel system and Buchla 200 whilst I had my Fenix I and then Fenix II/III.
Honestly, they are all just very different. I sold my Buchla and Serge and would probably consider another Serge system. Buchla, I am a big fan of the older style and a small "analog" system would give me the goodness. Not interested in a big 200E.
The Fenix is a great centerpiece to any electronic setup though. Add others for flavour.
I have a VCS3, 2600 and a 100m as well and they all compliment each other whilst sounding different, but the Fenix II/III is certainly a complete synthesis package that could be your sole instrument.
MindMachine
Morley wrote:
qstate wrote:
Thanks for the data pelican, thetwlo, and sunnypedaal.

Any opinions on functional density for $7-8K compared to a similar price used Serge or Buchla system? Like 2 Panels/M-boats of Serge or 6-8 200e modules?


The Fenix is PACKED. I had an old Serge 6 panel system and Buchla 200 whilst I had my Fenix I and then Fenix II/III.
Honestly, they are all just very different. I sold my Buchla and Serge and would probably consider another Serge system. Buchla, I am a big fan of the older style and a small "analog" system would give me the goodness. Not interested in a big 200E.
The Fenix is a great centerpiece to any electronic setup though. Add others for flavour.
I have a VCS3, 2600 and a 100m as well and they all compliment each other whilst sounding different, but the Fenix II/III is certainly a complete synthesis package that could be your sole instrument.


Hey Morley - what about your Polyfusion? Did that go to make way for the Syntons?
Morley
MindMachine wrote:

Hey Morley - what about your Polyfusion? Did that go to make way for the Syntons?


Sold it to help pay for my house. Kicking myself a little over that one :-(

Problem is that I never bought any of this stuff for collector prices and basically just used them to work with. My income from music vs the inflated value of some synths meant I had to sell. Alas.

Would still love more modulars but just can't afford them if I'm honest.
pelican
Any more news on fenix 4?
vav
pelican wrote:
Any more news on fenix 4?


The whaaaaaaaat?
cat6batch
I sold my Fenix II & III last year sometime for anyone keeping track, they stayed in Australia which made me happy smile
cat6batch
Posted one last video of the units in my possession

http://youtu.be/j2ccqggTKX4
faneflip
Heavy Metal Kid wrote:
Can anyone recommend some good Youtube demos of the Fenix synths? The first ones I found there were quite horrible.


Some of my videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MOaF6_VEfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXResryKryc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcR-AG_4hf0
cat6batch
My two videos up at the moment, sorry about the second potato cam one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LIHwPS8FDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ccqggTKX4
qu.one
one sold on ebay recently for $8500... eek!
Nelson Baboon
qu.one wrote:
one sold on ebay recently for $8500... eek!


you mean the 2+3, or just the 2 (or 3)?

damn - I love mine, but if the prices get high enough....I mean I'd sell my 2+3 for $25,000. Anyone interested? (just joking).
seeasound
man i just love the sound in all these fenix vids....I just wish i knew when he was making em! I hope he makes something cool in the future. This seems like it was such a steal at the original prices...

I think if i had one it could easily be the only synth.....with some smattering of serge.......maybe for buchla for colour hmmm....some ciat for wierdness??? Rockin' Banana!
pelican
What's the newest manual version?
Ranxerox
Had the pleasure of messing around on a Fenix II for an hour or so, at Music House in Utrecht a few months ago. Great shop, great people running the place - they even gave me a Heineken to quench my thirst whilst I was wiggling! Drinking

What a wild synth - quite organic and undisciplined, it had a real personality and a very lively sound. With the sequencer I'm sure it's a total blast.
Ranxerox
Someone hasn't read the forum rules... d'oh!
thousandcuts
whats news fellow fenix fiends?
CoreInside
fenix series sounds and plays very well[/img]
CoreInside
a fenix iii just sold for £3500 + £100 on ebay
cat6batch
Miss my Fenix :(
joey
this track of mine is 95% fenix II (except the pad at the start and drums)

MindMachine
I am now afraid of the Fenix. joey that was magnificent. Damn.

Guinness ftw!
CoreInside
What's the value of each fenix?
My guess.
Fenix I: £5000
Fenix II: £5000
Fenix III: £5000
Right or wrong?
Nelson Baboon
CoreInside wrote:
What's the value of each fenix?
My guess.
Fenix I: £5000
Fenix II: £5000
Fenix III: £5000
Right or wrong?


you mean, what are they currently going for? I bought new, so I chuckle a bit about how much they've gone up. But the price above for the III seems too high. it was considerably cheaper than the 2 when they were new.
Reese P. Dubin
I sold the original Fenix for a slight bit more then that almost 3 years ago. The II should go for significantly more IMO. I preferred the patchbay on the F1, but the 2 is superior.
CoreInside
Fenix 1 advantages are the band pass filters and digital noise which kick the ass of the 2. The OSCs are different too. Fenix 1 has the D envelopes and imo is better for making percussion.
Fenix 2 has weirder oscs but powerful still. Sequencer is convenient. Phaser and formant filters are lush. Sort of more colourful and confident than the I. The I is very dirty and harsh sort of... For synth sounds the II has better envs but for perc the I wins.
Reese P. Dubin
I DO miss the BP filters majorly.
Both I and II display the most perfect waveforms I have ever seen and tracked for miles, and sound incredible.
I never performed an A/B of the noise, but maybe the 1 was more brutal. The VLF which is indispensable seem to wobble the same.
Primarily working and exclusively gigging wit my DIY stuff has unfortunately made me not experiment so much with the Fenix. However if I want to do something with absolute precision to my intent, it is unbeatable.
pelican
2 kills 1. I would have 2 fenix 2 rather than one of each.
CoreInside
Fenix II, what's the best thing about it?

Phaser and Formant filter fx really stand out
Along with 2 onboard sequencers
LFO modulated panning
Icing on the cake

Bert told me the original wave multiplier was far more complicated than the present one. The dutch synth site listed a chorus as a feature on the prototype. Got to wonder how the Fenix II would be if Bert implemented every originally planned feature. But there's hardly room left on the case for more features haha.

Who understands the weird VCO extra features?

BTW The II is better setup for FM because you can use the VCOs. On the I you can do nice FM on the filters but the tracking isn't as stable of the VCFs. But I think the I sounds amazing at FM, shame the tuning is odd but that's decent for strange effects.
deltaphoenix
I am excited for the arrival of my Fenix 2 tomorrow!

Rockin' Banana! nanners It's peanut butter jelly time!
deltaphoenix
Wow!!! What an awesome instrument! I haven't tried out every module on it yet but I am quite impressed with the sound & the quality of build. The wave multiplier is different than I thought it would be. It will definitely take me a bit to get used to the interface, I have to search for the correct knobs but it isn't too bad. I have so much exploring to do MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Reese P. Dubin
The waveshaper will probably behave closer to what you expect from a wave multiplier. The actual multiplier seems to be more of a wave splicer, I may never get my head all the way around it.
GryphonP3
deltaphoenix wrote:
Wow!!! What an awesome instrument! I haven't tried out every module on it yet but I am quite impressed with the sound & the quality of build. The wave multiplier is different than I thought it would be. It will definitely take me a bit to get used to the interface, I have to search for the correct knobs but it isn't too bad. I have so much exploring to do MY ASS IS BLEEDING


Lucky man!!! If you ever decide you want out, I've an assortment of very rare stuff and cash reserved only for a Fenix 2 trade wink
Morley
pelican wrote:
2 kills 1. I would have 2 fenix 2 rather than one of each.


Same here. Sold my I. Have the II and III. Happy camper.
qu.one
deltaphoenix wrote:
I am excited for the arrival of my Fenix 2 tomorrow!

Rockin' Banana! nanners It's peanut butter jelly time!


bert made more???
GryphonP3
Does anyone have any idea where I can get rack ears to match the Fenix II/III? I bought mine second hand and it didn't come with rack ears. Emailed Bert but I'm not sure he will have any laying around years later. Any ideas would be welcome!
Rocket_Salad
hihi
The Disquiet
Psyched I managed to get my hands on a Fénix II
Unique design, gorgeous! we're not worthy

Some 'first contact' sounds on my Instagram:
http://www.instagram.com/michelvanderaa/
Thighpaulsandra
Would anyone consider trading a Fenix II for one of my Fenix Is?


Thighp
Reese P. Dubin
I would be very surprised if anyone would be willing to make that trade. However you can absolutely sell a Fenix I for more than the II sells for and purchase one with healthy profit to boot. Crazy economics!

Been working thru the mountain that is your last 3LP for several months. Spectacular record!
prophei
Looks like I am getting a Fenix 2 & 3 this weekend... SO excited!
pelican
Where all these fenii coming from lol
CoreInside
CoreInside
British Acid Trax 3 (Synton Fenix 2 on every track)

https://britishacid.bandcamp.com/album/british-acid-trax-3



Any Fenix owners lurking about? This thread's been dead for ages. How's Bert doing? Anyone checked on him recently?

CoreInside
http://dutchsynth.nl/syntonovo.html

Syntonovo!

(blank page)
Reese P. Dubin
what the hell is the Syntonovo going to be???
thetwlo
Reese P. Dubin wrote:
what the hell is the Syntonovo going to be???


pelican
Isn't today super booth? Who has pics?
SynthBaron
thetwlo wrote:
Reese P. Dubin wrote:
what the hell is the Syntonovo going to be???






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSvSZkSQcx8
CoreInside
https://www.facebook.com/groups/447014695509409/

facebook group for fenix users

sort of a continuation of this thread?
smitty.west
Can someone briefly summarize the differences between the I-II-III?
Also, if anyone has one for sale, please PM me- have already got a WTB in the BTS section, but thought I'd ask here as well. Thanks.
sunnypedaal
http://www.dutchsynth.nl/fenix.html

Also see sound on sound and google :-)

No i don't intend to sell mine
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