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Self generating patches....tips and ideas ?
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gis_sweden
Algorithmic drone music program w00t
The computer that runs my algorithm is my analog modular synth.
01 to 08 are clock sequencer steps.

00 rem osc_1 - wave shaped sin oscillator (osc) - tuned to 130Hz
00 rem osc_2 - clean sin from oscillator - tuned to 130Hz
00 rem osc_3 - sqr from oscillator through filter - osc tuned to 130Hz
00 rem clk speed = 0.5 Hz
00 rem line 01 each of the 3 vcas gets an unique cv value ([gate] -> [3 s/h] -> [3 vca])
00 rem ---------------------------------------------------
01 sample values for vca (cv in) x 3 (osc_1, osc_2, osc_3)
02 sample frq for osc_1
03 sample frq for osc_2
04 sample new clk speed
05 sample frq for vibrato in osc_1
06 sample frq for osc_3
07 env to all vca
08 sample cv for (osc_3) filter
10 goto 01

When I begin the recording the program has been running for a while.
https://freesound.org/people/gis_sweden/sounds/456758/
You are welcome to test my program thumbs up
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cptnal
gis_sweden wrote:
Algorithmic drone music program w00t
The computer that runs my algorithm is my analog modular synth.
01 to 08 are clock sequencer steps.

00 rem osc_1 - wave shaped oscillator (osc) - tuned to 130Hz
00 rem osc_2 - clean sin from oscillator - tuned to 130Hz
00 rem osc_3 - sqr from oscillator - tuned to 130Hz
00 rem clk speed = 0.5 Hz
00 rem ---------------------------------------------------
01 sample values for vca (cv in) x 3 (osc_1, osc_2, osc_3)
02 sample frq for osc_1
03 sample frq for osc_2
04 sample new clk speed
05 sample frq for vibrato in osc_1
06 sample frq for osc_3
07 env to all vca
08 sample cv for filter
10 goto 01

When I begin the recording the program has been running for a while.
https://freesound.org/people/gis_sweden/sounds/456758/
You are welcome to test my program thumbs up


Dig. cool

Don't have a clock sequencer. waah Although I could probably contrive something less linear. hmmm.....

Currently got a Quantussy/Wogglebug duet on the go after watching Make Noise's new video. Early days but a lot of fun. More of that later. There's also more of that last mentioned Quantussy pending in my Freesound queue. This is fun!
DeepSeaDriver
I put this together today

Soundcloud Link

Wasn't a terribly complicated patch, but there were uhh, a lot of cables.

It mostly comes from Marbles, with the kick and snare sound (combo of snare and erbe-verb with some envelopes on it) coming straight out of it in grids-like mode, with the bias (drum patterns) randomly modulated

The high hat (filtered noise, release modulated by a sloth) is random triggers and repeats from a varigate 4+ into a branches just to cut off some of the triggers

The bass is an osc and warps through wasp, mixed cv from an envelope and lfo to the cutoff, the vca is still a bit open so it drones, but the envelope will open from time to time off of the varigate. Sequenced by rene 2, adding in random voltage from the marbles, addac quantizer 'samples' the voltage whenever the env triggers

The "melody" is a bateleur getting fed voltages from Marbles, cutoff modulation, vibrato, and the envelope just opens and closes to let the legato through. Forgot what triggered it though...

The other sound is another output of Marbles into an osc through three sisters with the resonance cranked on formant using the all output, giving it some weird overtones. Cutoff is modulated and then I crosspatched the osc sine output into it's span control (i think)

everything goes into a wmd performance mixer with clouds (with random freezing and some other stuff going on) and disting ping pong as stereo returns.

Can get a little boring for 10 minutes, but i have some switches on the way that should help
cptnal
Nice one, DeepSeaDriver. It sounds like you enjoy audio chain shenanigans as much as I do. Do you use a matrix VCA/mixer? If not it'd be worth looking into. You might find something there that suits you. w00t


As promised, here's the pack of Quantussy snippets I mentioned earlier. Kinda "evolution of an idea"...

https://freesound.org/people/cptnal/packs/25755/
gis_sweden
DeepSeaDriver wrote:
I put this together today

Very nice drone work. Analog feeling.

cptnal wrote:
Quantussy pending in my Freesound queue

Black belt in Quantussy!
DeepSeaDriver
cptnal wrote:
Nice one, DeepSeaDriver. It sounds like you enjoy audio chain shenanigans as much as I do. Do you use a matrix VCA/mixer? If not it'd be worth looking into. You might find something there that suits you. w00t


Thanks! I have the standard Doepfer matrix mixer, but nothing voltage controlled right now. It's great when my hands are on the rack though.
gis_sweden
gis_sweden the programmer... Mr. Green
Made some adjustments and run some more iterations.
Even ordered a switch today applause
Same program as above.
https://freesound.org/people/gis_sweden/sounds/456837/
JakoGreyshire
About the algorithms and rules thing you all were talking about earlier..

Have you all seen Dinko Klobucar's youtube videos? I wish he would make more videos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CoyvGY74PE
oberdada
Pelsea wrote:
You see what I am getting at? Anything you can connect to the system is fair game. The point of algorithmic composition (as far as I am concerned) is you can compose something that will come out differently on each performance yet will remain the same piece.


Wonderful examples, although I don't find triggering events with popcorn or sonifying the ups and downs of finance prototypical cases of algorithmic composition. For me algorithmic composition is not so much about generating variety between performances of the same piece, as I usually write a fixed score or produce a fixed sound file to be played.

Pelsea wrote:

Non algorithmic composers just imagine what it should sound like and write it down.


Right, but when I use algorithms to compose music I do exactly the same thing, except I imagine the music, then figure out an algorithm, use it to generate a draft, listen to it, go back and modify the algorithm til it outputs something closer to my musical vision and so forth.

Pelsea wrote:

There are really two branches of algorithmic music these days-- one is sometimes called process music, where the notes follow a formula or some natural phenomenon, the other is artificial intelligence, where we use data mining or expert systems to produce something more traditional (That's actually a hot area-- a couple of my past students code algorithmic music to run in video games instead of those endless 16 bar loops.)


Yep, a very hot area in academia with its own conferences in musical metacreation, and I think they must have some dedicated journal by now. Flow machines even got some media attention with their Beatles pastische. Personally I find the other strand, what you call process music, much more interesting. But I suspect researchers want and need solid criteria for when their algorithms are successful or not, which boils down to how well they manage to simulate an existing style.
JakoGreyshire
Pelsea wrote:
Algorithms don't have to be code. I just happen to find that convenient because of the tools at my disposal. But there are many ways to do rule based composition. For instance:

Place a microphone close (not too close) to a popcorn popper. Run the signal through an envelope follower with trigger output to generate notes driven by the (Poisson distribution) pops of the corn.


I'm not trying to make a point here or anything, but this popcorn quote reminded me of this hourglass laser eurorack module:
Mr. Green

Pelsea
oberdada wrote:

Yep, a very hot area in academia with its own conferences in musical metacreation, and I think they must have some dedicated journal by now. Flow machines even got some media attention with their Beatles pastische. Personally I find the other strand, what you call process music, much more interesting. But I suspect researchers want and need solid criteria for when their algorithms are successful or not, which boils down to how well they manage to simulate an existing style.


Actually, Dave got into quite a controversy by writing code that would produce Bach, Mozart, etc. soundalikes that would convince listeners they were hearing the real thing. He'd play a couple of Chorales and have the audience vote on which was by Bach and which by Emmy. (He called his project EMI until some record company complained) Audiences of experienced musicologists consistently got it wrong.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jul/11/david-cope-computer -composer
gis_sweden
Algorithmic modular music program (MAN2_2019).
01 to 08 are clock sequencer steps.

00 rem -------------- MAN2_2019 --------------
00 rem vco_1 sin through wave folder
00 rem vco_2 tri
00 rem vco_3 sqr through vcf
00 rem (vco_1, vco_2, vco_3) tuned to 130 Hz
00 rem rnd pitch cv from attenuated tri lfo
00 rem rnd cv from tri lfo
00 rem main clock (lfo_1) start frq 10 Hz
00 rem reset is tricky, trg -> short env -> reset
00 rem (noise) is noise through a lfo sweeped vcf
00 rem ---------------------------------------
01 rnd -> vca cv in (vco_1)
02 if (lfo_2 = high) then goto 01 [= reset]
03 rnd frq lfo_1 (run speed)
04 rnd fm mod (vco_1) with audio from (vco_2)
05 rnd -> vca cv in (vco_1, vco_2, vco_3): invert cv -> vca cv in (noise)
06 trg long env (vco_2): rnd pitch @ eoc (vco_2)
07 trg long env (vco_3): rnd pitch @ eoc (vco_3)
08 rnd -> wave folder (vco_1): rnd -> vcf (vco_3)
10 goto 01


What does this sound like? Dead Banana
https://freesound.org/s/457060/
https://freesound.org/s/457059/
cptnal
gis_sweden wrote:
Algorithmic modular music program (MAN2_2019).
01 to 08 are clock sequencer steps.

00 rem -------------- MAN2_2019 --------------
00 rem vco_1 sin through wave folder
00 rem vco_2 tri
00 rem vco_3 sqr through vcf
00 rem (vco_1, vco_2, vco_3) tuned to 130 Hz
00 rem rnd pitch cv from attenuated tri lfo
00 rem rnd cv from tri lfo
00 rem main clock (lfo_1) start frq 10 Hz
00 rem reset is tricky, trg -> short env -> reset
00 rem (noise) is noise through a lfo sweeped vcf
00 rem ---------------------------------------
01 rnd -> vca cv in (vco_1)
02 if (lfo_2 = high) then goto 01 [= reset]
03 rnd frq lfo_1 (run speed)
04 rnd fm mod (vco_1) with audio from (vco_2)
05 rnd -> vca cv in (vco_1, vco_2, vco_3): invert cv -> vca cv in (noise)
06 trg long env (vco_2): rnd pitch @ eoc (vco_2)
07 trg long env (vco_3): rnd pitch @ eoc (vco_3)
08 rnd -> wave folder (vco_1): rnd -> vcf (vco_3)
10 goto 01


What does this sound like? Dead Banana
https://freesound.org/s/457060/
https://freesound.org/s/457059/


Intriguing stuff. Did the parameters change between versions? I "prefer" the second recording, but maybe that's just because it happens to contain a random selection I find more pleasing... hmmm.....

What I would find interesting, if it's available, is MG link of your "computer"... thumbs up
gis_sweden
cptnal wrote:
Intriguing stuff. Did the parameters change between versions?

"Intriguing". Much too kind. It's rather extreme eh... stuff. But interesting.
No, I did not change any parameters between the recordings. #generative

Now I will change order of two events in the program and see what happens.
Or just add an attenuverter to the patching of row 05. Between s/h and vca.
The program is not that detailed. An attenuverter does not change the code.

Next I will try to write a program with less extreme results...

My synth, sorry, computer - right now.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/580306
A switch is on it's way! Will replace Dirt. Maybe I replace "Dual Full Wave Rectifier" with NLC "Jerk Off".
I have 3 X 84hp rows and 1 104hp row. Also some passive "modules" (ring mod, or, simple wave rectifier...).
An analog delay pedal is a part of my synth (dont know if it's true bbd....?).
What I really need to do is to inventory my components and start soldering... (more fun to patch) help
cptnal
gis_sweden wrote:
My synth, sorry, computer - right now.


That would drive me nuts. Nothing's where it should be. hihi

The A160/161 combo has been on and off my want list for a while. Once I get around to building my new case...
ikjoyce
Been trawling this thread - brilliant info in here, very inspiring!

Someone asked if anyone had done an entropical paradise patch - this was my attempt from 3 years ago- I need to revisit it I think:

http://soundcloud.com/ikjoyce/entropical-paradise-with-bird-call-after -douglas-leedy
cptnal
ikjoyce wrote:
Been trawling this thread - brilliant info in here, very inspiring!

Someone asked if anyone had done an entropical paradise patch - this was my attempt from 3 years ago- I need to revisit it I think:

[s]https://soundcloud.com/ikjoyce/entropical-paradise-with-bird-call-a fter-douglas-leedy[/s]


Yep, that was me. Few takers, but the concept at the heart of it has a lot of mileage.
gis_sweden
cptnal wrote:
That would drive me nuts. Nothing's where it should be. hihi

meh and the wrong modules...

Modular Algorithm No 2 v.2...
Some small changes. I have made comments in the code.
https://freesound.org/s/457156/
cptnal
gis_sweden wrote:
cptnal wrote:
That would drive me nuts. Nothing's where it should be. hihi

meh and the wrong modules...

Modular Algorithm No 2 v.2...
Some small changes. I have made comments in the code.
https://freesound.org/s/457156/


OK, so what's going on at [07]/[08]? Is that an If/Else thing? You could do that with one sequencer output, but it would be two lines of code. I think... hmmm.....
gis_sweden
cptnal wrote:
OK, so what's going on at [07]/[08]? Is that an If/Else thing? You could do that with one sequencer output, but it would be two lines of code. I think... hmmm.....


line 07 if the LFO sqr wave is positive then restet. Starts from line 01 again. It's a 50/50 chanse that happens.
line 08 is just a gate signal to ad and at the end of cycle a trigger fires to a s/h.
Can you elaborate your sequencer idea hmmm.....

Today my vc switch arrived. Why haven't I bought one before??? Made a quick patch with Jerk Off as engine.
Yep, back in my case again. I have missed this little chaos module.
https://freesound.org/s/457260/
cptnal
gis_sweden wrote:
Can you elaborate your sequencer idea hmmm.....


Oh, I haven't had any ideas this week - I've just been playing with my A110-4. w00t

What I meant was if you had one output of your sequencer doing one of two things, depending on another condition, that would be one line of your program, but would need two lines of computer code. No matter. Dead Banana
ziovinos
This is my first Self Generative patch.

Two asynchronous clocks are mixed with Triatt.
“Melody” comes from Lifeform's oscillator 2 (oscillator 2 - LPF - Magneto’s reverb)
Other chaotic timbres come from Lifeform's oscillator 1 (oscillator 1 - Morgasmatron - Magneto’s Delay)

Gear:
Expert Sleepers FH-2
Intellijel Quadra
Intellijel Triatt
Intellijel Morgasmatron
Strymon Magneto
Pittsburgh Modular Lifeforms SV-1
Intellijel Quad VCA



https://soundcloud.com/panos-volkov
cptnal
ziovinos wrote:
This is my first Self Generative patch.

Two asynchronous clocks are mixed with Triatt.
“Melody” comes from Lifeform's oscillator 2 (oscillator 2 - LPF - Magneto’s reverb)
Other chaotic timbres come from Lifeform's oscillator 1 (oscillator 1 - Morgasmatron - Magneto’s Delay)

Gear:
Expert Sleepers FH-2
Intellijel Quadra
Intellijel Triatt
Intellijel Morgasmatron
Strymon Magneto
Pittsburgh Modular Lifeforms SV-1
Intellijel Quad VCA



https://soundcloud.com/panos-volkov


Nice. cool

Lots going on with a seemingly small number of inputs. Looks like a lot of thought went into it.

(BTW, what happened to Batumi?)
ziovinos
cptnal wrote:
ziovinos wrote:
This is my first Self Generative patch.

Two asynchronous clocks are mixed with Triatt.
“Melody” comes from Lifeform's oscillator 2 (oscillator 2 - LPF - Magneto’s reverb)
Other chaotic timbres come from Lifeform's oscillator 1 (oscillator 1 - Morgasmatron - Magneto’s Delay)

Gear:
Expert Sleepers FH-2
Intellijel Quadra
Intellijel Triatt
Intellijel Morgasmatron
Strymon Magneto
Pittsburgh Modular Lifeforms SV-1
Intellijel Quad VCA



https://soundcloud.com/panos-volkov


Nice. cool

Lots going on with a seemingly small number of inputs. Looks like a lot of thought went into it.

(BTW, what happened to Batumi?)



Thanks cptnal cool
A lot of thought went into it yes (and a lot of luck too) whistlin'

Here's the sketch:

Batumi was send for service a month ago. it came back just yesterday.
Found you on soundcloud. Great work.
cptnal
ziovinos wrote:
Found you on soundcloud. Great work.


Most kind, thank you.

In my turn I've been admiring your pictures in the DIY cases thread. Looking forward to hearing more from it. thumbs up
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