2 panel serge as aircraft carryon?

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2 panel serge as aircraft carryon?

Post by richard » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:45 pm

2 panels is a fuck of a lot in serge terms... enough for a good gigging instrument I think. But Rex's M-case is a bit too big for european hand baggage - there must be a way of casing 2 panels... has anyone solved this little puzzle? I haven't seen anything on the web...
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Post by cebec » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:55 pm

There is a way. Have you seen this? It's Thomas Ankersmit's Serge rig:

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Not sure what he's using but he discussed it a bit on the SMOG Yahoo Group and there might be some more info. in the archives there.

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Post by richard » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:11 pm

hang on, I think I know that guy?

he's a Berliner no? But I thought he had a huge Cwejman system?

I'll check it out, thanks!
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Post by richard » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:13 pm

and if a four panel carry-on is possible my life is in danger of blissful completeness!
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Post by cebec » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:15 pm

He's Dutch but I think he has been based in Berlin...

That shot's from a couple of years ago so maybe he's switched to Cwejman. Prior to the Serge, he was using a Synthi AKS.

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Post by rastko » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:33 pm

I have a four panel carry on and I am happy :-).

It is an SKB case but to shallow so as you may notice the panels are "moved" so they fit exactly .

This combination is like 14 kg heavy so over the limit for carry on but if you need only 2 in this you can fit everything you need.
I have never ever have the weight of the carry on inspected at the airport :-).

The size of it is less then the carry on limit and I have never ever had the weight examined when boarding a flight.


There are million of combination for cases , the thing you have to be sure is how heavy the case is.

This 12 kg is ok for plane rides but I can not take it everyday somewhere to play or on a long train trip with 4 changes.

This SKB case alone is like 4-5 kg heavy , the wooden ones are like 8-12 kg.

Now I am considering making 1 or 2 panels removable and then making a smaller case .
1 or 2 panel is a lot of power a lot.

So yes it is possible to make an 2 panel case.
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Post by cebec » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:38 pm

Nice, rastko! :tu:

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Re: 2 panel serge as aircraft carryon?

Post by MechaSeb » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:15 pm

richard wrote:But Rex's M-case is a bit too big for european hand baggage
Doesn't it depend on the airline company ?
I choose the M-case for this reason precisely. But i wonder if the rigidity of the M-case would support a lot of travel. I don't think so but i may wrong...

Anyway the two Thomas Ankersmit's Serge rig seems to be great too. :tu:

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Post by richard » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:59 pm

can you tell me which SKB case that is Rastko? It looks like a great solution?
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Post by Bricks » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:20 pm

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Is a really cool shot!!

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Post by rastko » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:34 pm

richard wrote:can you tell me which SKB case that is Rastko? It looks like a great solution?
this is the case

SKB Rastkos Case

and this is the name :

SKB Equipment Case, 20 3/8 X 14 X 7

I gott mine from Amazon US and then a friend brought it . At that time does cases were new and hard to find in Europe , dont know now.

As I told you i is a bit tricky to fit 4 panels in but 2 is simple.

The frame is aluminium so I just screwed (through it) in 2 pieces of wood to hold the panels. I shall do it nice and probably with rails but for now this is good .
I had a wooden case before and this one is 5 kg lighter, you can not imagine what 5 kg is running from gate z45 to a34 uff.

You would have an ergonomic (is that the word ?) problem with 2 serge panels as you would have an empty half always and you want to have a case wich you would use both home and on the road...

If you have it in the bottom (the 2 panels) that is ok but you have to think how much you would use it like that . I have no problem with the bottom position as I stand when I patch and my table is high,I made it for this.
If you putt the panels in the top the case will tilt . Mine tilts easy and I always borrow a clamp to clamp it to a table. It is amazing how many people have clamps to borrow , seriously.

And at the end I can actually recommend something better as a case , maybe.

UK Case

These guys can do you a custom ABS case (I think the quality would be that same as mine SKB) for a super price and if you write them an email and ask for it they can make the top removable (think its like 10 punds more) so then you can just put the panels one side.

I found a perfect size for the Serge panels there and the depth you can order customized.

Then when you play you have just the side with the panels, either on a gyt stand or on the table.

This company even puts this "telescopic handle and wheels".

The reason why I did not gett this is that the case was like 100 punds and the shipping form great britain to switzerland was like 150 punds . jesus its like Im on mars.

Anyway Im to tired to look where you are from but this gives you some ideas and maybe locally you can find an custom ABS case manufacturer .

I hope this helped you a bit and sorry if I am confusing as I am not an English native speaker and I am a very tired not english native speaker.

I wish you all a good night

rastko

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Post by dkcg » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:21 pm

I misread the title as 2 panel serge as aircraft carrier? :doh: :lol:

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Post by tmeade » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:35 pm

While it isn't Europe, I recently flew from San Francisco to New Zealand and was permitted to carry 2 of my M-Cases right on the plane. The woman at check-in said that normally, they would not allow 2 cases but it was a pretty empty flight and the seats next to me were vacant.

So, no, it isn't something I should count on but these so-called airplane 'restrictions' are pretty flimsy.

I did catch quite a few looks from other people in the airport tho. The cases draw a lot of attention!!!

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Post by Seracs » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:03 pm

Curious matter, results probably vary depending on how paranoid your local airport and destination are.

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Post by richard » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:11 am

dkcg wrote:I misread the title as 2 panel serge as aircraft carrier? :doh: :lol:
:hihi:
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Post by weerzin » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:22 pm

cebec wrote:There is a way. Have you seen this? It's Thomas Ankersmit's Serge rig:

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Not sure what he's using but he discussed it a bit on the SMOG Yahoo Group and there might be some more info. in the archives there.
Yeah, that's me. This has been my main touring setup since 2006 or 2007, and I've always managed to bring it on board as carry on, in addition to a laptop bag. Probably around 100 flights at this point. Well, not entirely true: on small propellor planes they make everyone "gate check" their bigger carry on bags, and my Serge as well. But that means you literally hand it to them right before stepping onto the plane, so I'm fine with that.

The case was made by a company in Berlin who make custom flightcases, Borkowsky Cases. Not expensive either, around 150 euro I think?

I don't have the exact measurements here with me at the moment, but I could check in a few days. Unfortunately, it is slightly larger than the IATA standards (there was just no way around that with four panels), and those annoying measuring boxes at the airports, so sometimes it took some convincing. But so far so good.

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Post by cebec » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:48 am

Hi Thomas -- Welcome! And thanks for the information!

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Post by richard » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:44 pm

Hi Thomas

I think I met you at STEIM... I would love to know your technique for talking around european airlines to let you travel with an oversized case and a laptop bag :)

would love to know exact dimensions too as a Berlin solution would be terrific for me
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Tales from the Voodoo Box (EMS Synthi A solos) https://soundanatomy.bandcamp.com/album ... ynthesiser

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Post by weerzin » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:27 pm

richard wrote:Hi Thomas

I think I met you at STEIM... I would love to know your technique for talking around european airlines to let you travel with an oversized case and a laptop bag :)

would love to know exact dimensions too as a Berlin solution would be terrific for me
Hm, maybe. Although not knowing your name or what you look like it's hard to say ;)

Here's a few quick tips.. strong eye contact with the person behind the checkin desk, be friendly to them, and quickly push your Serge towards the desk so that the person simply doesn't see it. Usually, once you're past the security check, they won't bother asking you to check it in anymore.

Most important though, aside from keeping your cool and not getting angry if they do complain, is the fact that it really does fit both overhead as well as under the seats, and that it really is a very valuable and very sensitive musical instrument. So far, simply explaining that has been enough in case anyone did tell me it was too large initially. I found the phrase "it's like a Stradivarius" worked well on a recent tour..

Dimensions of my Serge case: 23x53x40 cm (9x21x16 inches)

Like I said, I'd recommend Borkowsky cases. They're both affordable and precise with custom flightcases, and you can pick the materials yourself.

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Post by DedMousie » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:27 pm

weerzin wrote:This has been my main touring setup since 2006 or 2007, and I've always managed to bring it on board as carry on
Where's the power supply? Do you pack that separate?

...and for you Buchla guys - a 4 module boat plus rack ears is exactly the same size as a Serge panel with ears, yes? So, with a similar case, in theory if you can work out the power supplies, you *could* put 3 Serge panels plus a 225e, 250e, and something else, like a Module Module in there, yes?
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Post by weerzin » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:33 am

DedMousie wrote:
weerzin wrote:This has been my main touring setup since 2006 or 2007, and I've always managed to bring it on board as carry on
Where's the power supply? Do you pack that separate?

...and for you Buchla guys - a 4 module boat plus rack ears is exactly the same size as a Serge panel with ears, yes? So, with a similar case, in theory if you can work out the power supplies, you *could* put 3 Serge panels plus a 225e, 250e, and something else, like a Module Module in there, yes?
Yes, a PS4 and a big bag of patch cables (except for a few custom ones) go in a regular checked-in suitcase.

I realize this isn't what you're suggesting, but one of the reasons I never seriously considered a Buchla is because it seemed to me you could never put together a comparably powerful system (to a four-panel Serge) and take it on board an aircraft..

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Post by fowl » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:12 pm

rastko wrote: And at the end I can actually recommend something better as a case , maybe.

UK Case

These guys can do you a custom ABS case (I think the quality would be that same as mine SKB) for a super price and if you write them an email and ask for it they can make the top removable (think its like 10 punds more) so then you can just put the panels one side.

I found a perfect size for the Serge panels there and the depth you can order customized.

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Hi
sorry to bring this up again but Im dithering between 3 possible cases for 2 panel serge.
1) The Potterton ABS - P20 as above
2) The Gator G-Mix 8u
3) Thom rack Case 8u

I have a custom Hallburton but that does not fit 2 panels - I liked Thomas's idea of having the Serge's on two guitar stands - which would render the pop up mixer style surplus.. the question is if the ABS case would work better than the Thom Rack/Gator - Im not sure how you would mount the Serge in The ABS one - guess Id need to discuss that with the firm - you would want it screwed to the sides... Thom Rack is slimmer than gator so probably fit better on a stand- both standard rackmount.

Does anyone have any thoughts/advice - been down this route before?
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Post by richard » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:32 pm

i have a couple of the pottertons but I haven't plucked up the courage to make a frame and drill some holes to mount the pabnels yet

they only just fit on easyjet actually. The way they are made makes them a fraction too big - might need to gentle take a hammer to the metal part to encourage it to be a bit smaller
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Post by Tobor » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:01 pm

rastko wrote:I have a four panel carry on and I am happy :-).
very nice setup. :tu:

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Post by goiks » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:11 pm

rastko - i'm curious, have you had any trouble carrying that on? most airlines requirements are 9"x14"x22", seems like you may be a little over on the 14" dimension.
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