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4u-Serge + other format sequencers
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Author 4u-Serge + other format sequencers
FatRocky
It´s been some months since i started gradually to switch to 4u ( gradually because at first i was planning to keep big part of my euro and i didn´t believe some of the users of this forum when they were saying : " you will end up selling everything you have to buy more panels" now i see they were right. I see as well i did a lot of ridicule questions at that time because of my ignorance and mindset to euro only.

Ok, I still don´t put my hands on a big Serge sequencer like the SWAMP or TKB etc but i have a couple of SEQ8 that i love to play and have a hint of how the other big ones must be ( waiting for a LW big sequencer to arrive now).

The question is ( and excuse me i´m still an ignorant in this land):

Are users of this forum use other format sequencers in conjunction with the Serge sequencers? analog, midi, euro, 5u, mpc´s, daw, etc etc

I´m asking because even i can see now that i´ll be more than happy with using only Serge and other 4u Serge-like modules , i still believe i need some kind of help from other type of sequencers that are more accurate timing wise, tuning wise, storage and distribution wise, for musical purposes.


Any comment will be very much appreciated
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syncretism
I have a pile of other stuff, but I find that I'm disinclined to mix formats together. On paper, it's the best use of it all, but in practice, once I'm in Banana Space, everything else feels intrusive. Your mileage may vary!
The Junglechrist
Since I got my Mantra panel from Random Source I've mostly using the onboard Sequencer Programmer but I do sequence it with René from time to time as well, my Make Noise system being quite close from the Serge in the studio.
I also use a keystep to send precise sequences from Ableton when I feel the need for total control but still with the wild Serge sound.

Everything works very weel actualy, no bugs or weird behaviour to report. Just keep in mind that gates from other sequencers might be quite "loud" when used to "gate" a Slope Generator.
wavecircle
I am super excited for the CV tools for ableton. It will be great to be able to build things which allow microprocessing type sequencing. It is the only thing I really miss when wanting to do more complete and super complex sequencing.

Get one of Charlie's conversion boxes.
emenel
I mix sequencers frequently.. I use a SWAMP panel, a custom LW 4 stage sequencing programmer, Bugbrand DDSR, Synthstrom Deluge, and even a Korg SQ-1... depends what I'm trying to do and what I feel like playing. They all work well together...

I go the other way sometimes too, using the SWAMP or sequencing programmer with Bugbrand or to modulate synths with cv in (like the Minilogue XD)
mestlick
I have 2 4x4 seq-programmers in a VV panel and 1 3x8 in the 73-75.
I also use a Buchla MARF, 245, 216, and 218 occasionally with the Serge. They all work great. For a while I used the MARF and a LW animal-like panel as a standalone 2 panel system, it was super fun.
FatRocky
Thanks all for your comments.

I had lots of euro sequencers , korg sq10, mpc1000, oberkorns, now the only one i keep is my snd sam16 and a stepper acid. It´s fun to use the Serge with them ( i use doepfer voltage amplifiers and attenuators in the ways between.)

Very curious about that CV tools for abelton as well. thumbs up
diophantine
syncretism wrote:
... I find that I'm disinclined to mix formats together.!

I'm in the same boat; I have Serge, Buchla, 5U, Frac, Euro, and other oddities... only place they meet is in my mixer.

But if you have or find a sequencer (or whatever) in some other format that you really connect with or feel inspired by... by all means, try it out with the Serge!
revtor
A little sq-1 (Korg) plays nicely and adds just a touch of midi sync and tonality to the WildChild (3-Panel Serge).

Steve
Avjr
+1 SQ-1.

I have the Sequencer/Programmer wich i love but couldn't justify it in small system like mine (2 panel) so is now up for sale. Started looking for something external that would come closest to the Serge sequencer and the SQ-1 it was. Plus it's easy on the real estate and the wallet. Sometimes the pitch cv goes wonky but hey, i guess that's analog for ya...
Prunesquallor
I have to admit, this is also something I've been debating with myself a lot. After all, if you were to spend £2k on a sequencer panel you could buy a Cirklon or Komplex for the same price.

Users of Serge sequencers - other than consistency of format and 'keepin' it real', are there other reasons for using them rather than anything in Euro/5U? What is it about them? (Disclosure - I currently have a SQ-8 and Rene Classic.)
verstaerker
I'm using the Elektron Analog Four often as a sequencer for my Serge-Panel

with it's four CV Outs, 2 sequencerlines it offers triggers, clock , note-cv and an lfo or adsr

additionally you get a good sounding 4voice synth

used A4 MkI are available from 700€
FatRocky
Funny thing , i received the Loudest Warning CGS big sequencer, ,tried it for a week and just sold my SAM16. The LW sequencer is a beast indeed , just what i needed, now i only need a quantizer and it will be the LW-Clee with display and microtonal mod Guinness ftw!
cygmu
FatRocky wrote:
Funny thing , i received the Loudest Warning CGS big sequencer, ,tried it for a week and just sold my SAM16. The LW sequencer is a beast indeed , just what i needed, now i only need a quantizer and it will be the LW-Clee with display and microtonal mod Guinness ftw!


This one? https://www.instagram.com/p/BxEsXhTFhXk/
That thing looks amazing indeed.
Prunesquallor
FatRocky wrote:
now i only need a quantizer and it will be the LW-Clee with display and microtonal mod Guinness ftw!


Not an O_C? I'm only saying that cos you've inspired me to think out a boat/panel based around that sequencer. I think I would also add logic + divider, and a dual processor. That would leave room for either an ASR or NCOM.
southphillysynths
This is a great thread to read through, thanks so much for everyone´s continued input!

I have been repeating OPs experience right now! I sold some euro to go Ciat Lonbarde and have commissioned a BB-258 panel. In thinking what the end goal might look like, I think I will end up with 3 serge panels after a few years. The idea of a sequencer panel always seemed to be overkill at least for the droney type sounds I normally make.


That Clee quantizer looks awesome and even having a small 8 step would be cool with that...
wavecircle
southphillysynths wrote:
This is a great thread to read through, thanks so much for everyone´s continued input!

I have been repeating OPs experience right now! I sold some euro to go Ciat Lonbarde and have commissioned a BB-258 panel. In thinking what the end goal might look like, I think I will end up with 3 serge panels after a few years. The idea of a sequencer panel always seemed to be overkill at least for the droney type sounds I normally make.



The sequencers can also be oscillators too, you can make amazing steppy/morphing tones with the 8 step and 4 step, once you start crossfading and processing it is drone heaven. I love the dividers, logic and /ncom in my panel, especially interesting at audio rate.
FatRocky
cygmu wrote:
FatRocky wrote:
Funny thing , i received the Loudest Warning CGS big sequencer, ,tried it for a week and just sold my SAM16. The LW sequencer is a beast indeed , just what i needed, now i only need a quantizer and it will be the LW-Clee with display and microtonal mod Guinness ftw!


This one? https://www.instagram.com/p/BxEsXhTFhXk/
That thing looks amazing indeed.


Yes , that´s the one!
FatRocky
Prunesquallor wrote:
FatRocky wrote:
now i only need a quantizer and it will be the LW-Clee with display and microtonal mod Guinness ftw!


Not an O_C? I'm only saying that cos you've inspired me to think out a boat/panel based around that sequencer. I think I would also add logic + divider, and a dual processor. That would leave room for either an ASR or NCOM.


I have no more space in this boat , quantizer would have to go in another boat.
These modules have thrillions of possibilities, they demand time to explore , each of them. I didn´t want to get more and more boats cause won´t have the time for them all in once. I´m kind of running away from the overwhelming world of eurorack. But i need the quantizer so one more boat is welcomed. ( i keep my tiny Uscale at the moment). I have the R*S logic NCOM and Divider 4x4 module, very happy with it. The Clee quantizer has the option of a MicroTonal mod switch which i find cool as it can be switched between amount of intervals quickly by hand while playing or sequencing. I don´t know the O_C but i heard it´s full of possibilities in a small package.

The full boat has 3 modules Programmer , new DUSG and Switch

cygmu
hmm double post weirdness.
cygmu
That looks like a lot of fun. I imagine there are many possibilities with that sequencer and the sequential switch working together... Serious patch-programming to do there.
Prunesquallor
FatRocky wrote:
Prunesquallor wrote:
FatRocky wrote:
now i only need a quantizer and it will be the LW-Clee with display and microtonal mod Guinness ftw!


Not an O_C? I'm only saying that cos you've inspired me to think out a boat/panel based around that sequencer. I think I would also add logic + divider, and a dual processor. That would leave room for either an ASR or NCOM.


I have no more space in this boat , quantizer would have to go in another boat.
These modules have thrillions of possibilities, they demand time to explore , each of them. I didn´t want to get more and more boats cause won´t have the time for them all in once. I´m kind of running away from the overwhelming world of eurorack. But i need the quantizer so one more boat is welcomed. ( i keep my tiny Uscale at the moment). I have the R*S logic NCOM and Divider 4x4 module, very happy with it. The Clee quantizer has the option of a MicroTonal mod switch which i find cool as it can be switched between amount of intervals quickly by hand while playing or sequencing. I don´t know the O_C but i heard it´s full of possibilities in a small package.

The full boat has 3 modules Programmer , new DUSG and Switch



That looks freaking amazing! Congratulations! cool
syncretism
Real nice label, FatRocky!
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