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Synthacon filters...which one is the best?
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Vootman
Which clone is the closest to the real deal?
Vootman
Anybody seriously, i just don't get it I think the Synthacon filter type sounds so brutal...which is the sound I'm after. I've heard good things about the Livewire version, but I've also heard it is noisy...not in a good way, but better sounding than the Elby. Anybody have experiences with that filter type?
nikmis
ok, well I really love my cgs synthacon filter, which I think is the same as the elby. It is really brutal. but I don't think its close to the real deal exactly, because right in Ken Stone's description "is a "tribute" module, based on the awesome Steiner-Parker Synth VCF"
sascha.victoria
I have a Synthacon. I used to have the Livewire version of the filter. Sounded dead on.
Isaiah
http://user.xmission.com/~dingebre/VCF.html thumbs up
Vootman
Thanks guys. Anybody hear Gotharman's version of it?
the bad producer
This version is pretty good...
MechaSeb
Isaiah wrote:
http://user.xmission.com/~dingebre/VCF.html thumbs up


+1
With a friend of mine we used to make A/B comparison between live wire version and the one from David (link above). The David's version go further & louder. Based on what i hear from Synthacon videos on YouTube (yes i know not a good reference) we came to the conclusion David's version sound & behavior/ sweet spots was really similar.

Both sounds great though. You can't go wrong with one or another.
However i heard a bit of bad feedback regarding Ken Stone version ones. Never heard one in real though...
Vootman
Thanks again guys! That's David Gotharman, right? I don't know Gotharmans first name...only his badass last name.
Randy
A little video of me experimenting with the CGS filter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meglauQdlPk

You can fool with the number and placement of diodes to change the resonance characteristics.

Randy
Vootman
Oh never mind, Gotharmans name is Flemming Christensen...
negativspace
Bear in mind that the Frequensteiner is based on the Synthasystem VCF, not the Synthacon VCF. There is a difference. I don't know how close to the real thing CGS's Synthacon filter is, but the one I built is quite different from the Synthasystem filters I've built. The CGS is warm and rubbery, and not really brutal at all. (At least when compared with the Synthasystem filters! Those things scream bloody murder.)
onthelees
I have a CGS version, and can compare only to the original Synthicon, which I was lucky enough to be able to borrow from a friend for about 6 month sometime in the late 80's. This means that about 25 years have elapsed between my experiences, but I love the CGS and it does seem to resemble the original more than the "Ruberto" version heard here: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78669&postdays=0&pos torder=asc&start=10

My memory says the original was somewhat between the two, with the smoothness of the CGS, but more extreme resonance and range. My only complaint with the CGS is the CV range - I always have it max'd, and I need more. Curious as to whether a mod is possible to expand the range.
goom
onthelees wrote:
My only complaint with the CGS is the CV range - I always have it max'd, and I need more. Curious as to whether a mod is possible to expand the range.


Have you seen the CV mods on Richard Brewster's page?

http://pugix.com/synth/cgs-steiner-synthacon-vcf-2/
Cat-A-Tonic
I am almost finished building a CGS Synthacon VCF in Frac.

I like the Doepfer A-101-1.
It has plenty of CV inputs for cutoff,
VC Resonance,
extra level compensated output (the original increases gain with resonance),
and the all important input attenuators.
kwaidan
I had the Frequensteiner and it would pick up a VCO without a patch cord. Even worse, it would pick up the opening click of an envelope. Once, I mounted a Pamela's Workout near it and it went crazy. At one point, I considered buying the little Doepfer case, and now, I regret it. So my question is does the CGS version have the same problem?

I love the rasp and instability of the Steiner filter. If Moog is the Les Paul of filters, then the Steiner is the Strat.
goom
I have the CGS Steiner/Synthacon filter in my rig, and IMO, I'd say it leans more towards a Telecaster on drugs. That's only because it's always full-sounding (not twangy at all). It also has a lot of tricks up it's sleeve, and it never fails to disappoint. SlayerBadger!
onthelees
goom wrote:
onthelees wrote:
My only complaint with the CGS is the CV range - I always have it max'd, and I need more. Curious as to whether a mod is possible to expand the range.


Have you seen the CV mods on Richard Brewster's page?

http://pugix.com/synth/cgs-steiner-synthacon-vcf-2/


No, I hadn't - thanks for the link. Looks like the 150k on the CV input is the one to check.
MechaSeb
Vootman wrote:
Thanks again guys! That's David Gotharman, right? I don't know Gotharmans first name...only his badass last name.


Nope, this one : http://user.xmission.com/~dingebre/VCF.html
You can check his full Synthasystem recreation here :http://analoguerealities.blogspot.fr/
dJ dAb
CGS user here and always found it to be smooth and rubbery. btw, I did some suggested resonance and cv mods. Love it!
Randy
dJ dAb, which mods did you do?

Randy
fluxmonkey
never had an original to compare it to, but i've built 4 or 5 of the CGS versions, all good but i've noticed they are not particularly consistent across builds--no duds, just all different. i've never tried matching the transistors or anything...
dJ dAb
Randy wrote:
dJ dAb, which mods did you do?

Randy


I had an earlier version of the board so I modded it as suggested here (lower end of page)...

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs35_syntha_vcf_historical.html
premieklovn
I have the Livewire one. I frequen love the sound, but I hate the extra "features" you get. Anybody want to trade? seriously, i just don't get it
MindMachine
premieklovn wrote:
I have the Livewire one. I frequen love the sound, but I hate the extra "features" you get. Anybody want to trade? seriously, i just don't get it


That is the Steiner-Parker Synthasystem clone. Not a Synthacon clone. The Livewire has one of the best bandpass I have heard. You should be able to sell it easily.
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